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Cythereal posted:A Catapult K2 would be a very rare sight in the Periphery at this time, is my big reservation. The Catapult in general is supposed to be a pretty rare design until 3033 when the Combine starts building more. The Cestus on the other hand was a well known SLDF design until its factory got blown up in the Succession Wars. The sprite looks way more Catapult than Cestus. E: Also the Cestus 6X has all its weapons in the arms. Lemniscate Blue fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Jan 6, 2024 |
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It's absolutely a custom, probably based on the K2. There isn't a canon Catapult variant with 18 doubles, and there is no canon Catapult that has two PPCs (of any kind) and four lasers (of any kind). The K2 has 20 singles, normally has MGs, and is the only variant with a PPC that exists yet by the time of the current campaign. Best guess is that saving two tons on the sinks, plus two tons removing the MGs, makes room for two more Mediums and a lot more armor.
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~YAY~ I get to play again. And I've got Rampart again. But I've gone from Blackjack to an Ostsol which is... a lateral shift, I think. I have no idea if it's good or not, I've just always hated how it looked in the art. Ostsol I think I'll just follow the ice-river, and then me and the Marsdens will flank the baddies from, like, 0710 probably. But this turn I'll stop at 0723, looks like. No way to take any shots, I don't think I have LoS to anything. I'll send the orders a bit later today.
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The Ostsol is definitely a BIG step up from a blackjack. Faster, better armor, more firepower. This one is pretty short ranged, but that's not so bad against an enemy lance with as many LRMs and PPCs as this one has. You have enough speed to get in under those minimum ranges easily against a stalker.
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From the 1X, definitely. But ever since I've played the BattleTech video game, I've had a soft spot for the standard BJ-1. It's not a great 'mech, but I did like the weapons mix and the jumpjets. I love having jumpjets, yo. I have rear lasers, which is so weird. Do I stand in the middle of a group and activate "disco-ball" mode?
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They are more there for deterrence. Probably don't actually try to let people shoot you in the back, trust me on this.
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Rear mounted weapons exist to deter light 'Mechs from shooting you in the back. Except where else is a light 'Mech going to shoot you, the front? So they're really bad at their job. Any 'Mech with a reasonable arm-mounted weapon never needs a rear-firing laser. It's slightly more forgivable on the Ostsol, since the Ostline as a whole never uses arm-mounted weaponry.
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It's for when you have a laser addiction, and there's still room for a small laser, and c'mon one more laser bro, this is the last one I promise, just one more, but they still said no so you add it anyway but put it on the back so you hope they just don't see it.
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going to trundle up to 2325 and take a potshot with my lrms, i think i need a spot for it, is anyone in position and willing to press R for rain??
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Defiance Industries posted:They are more there for deterrence. Probably don't actually try to let people shoot you in the back, trust me on this. lmao good times
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vorebane posted:going to trundle up to 2325 and take a potshot with my lrms, i think i need a spot for it, is anyone in position and willing to press R for rain?? I think I'm the only one close to being able to spot, but the enemy are all in a hole this turn and there's intervening terrain. Once they're out of the hole sure, I think? I don't know the LRM indirect fire rules very well
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PoptartsNinja posted:It's slightly more forgivable on the Ostsol, since the Ostline as a whole never uses arm-mounted weaponry. What use arms if you're not going to put guns on them? Flap them up and down as an "Improvised Flight Mechanism"?
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Z the IVth posted:What use arms if you're not going to put guns on them? So that you can do finger guns / strike a Jojo pose after downing an enemy.
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Z the IVth posted:What use arms if you're not going to put guns on them? You can't have giant punchy robots without the punchy part.
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Z the IVth posted:What use arms if you're not going to put guns on them? To fight LIKE A GENTLEMAN! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO3zhbOfXwI
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Z the IVth posted:What use arms if you're not going to put guns on them? Well, I mean, originally they kinda didn't? But the Ostline's arms are historically ablative. They're there to soak hits, since a lot of heavy 'Mechs have powerful arm mounted weapons. They're just kinda bad at it since they're so small. See also: the Orion's gigantic medium lasers.
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The real reason is that the original design was an Unseen from... Robotech, I think? It was one of the enemy egg droid things, but with arms drawn in badly.
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Showdown at High Noon 4-2 Even over the sounds of its noisy old internal combustion engine, the pings and pops of chunks of loose ice being crushed under its treads filled the crew cabin of the Marsden. The old tanks had long been acclimatized to Frigid’s harsh conditions, but driving up a meltwater crevasse—even an old one—was still the roughest ride Jagannatha Furlan had ever had. The ice sounded like the rattling of small arms fire, or at least what the tanker thought small arms probably sounded like. He didn’t particularly look forward to finding out what that really sounded like, but the Marsden was at least reasonably tough and if they kept close to the crevasse they could make an escape if things started to go poorly. “Be careful, Obligation Lance.” He radioed as his tank rattled past a dangerous overhang. “There’s bound to be more thin ice near the DropShip. We’ll try to mark it for you when we pop up, but the longer we stay down here the less likely we are to give the whole game away.”    Movement Phase [n/a] Shooting Phase Hoplite (Player) - Holds fire! - gains 2 heat, sinks 16! Rifleman (Player) - Fires Ultra AC/5 [Ultra] at Unknown Heavy Mech 1 ([3] gunnery (autocannon specialist) + 4 range + 1 movement + 0 enemy movement + 1 light woods + 1 partial cover = 10): rolled 9, missed! - Fires Ultra AC/5 [Ultra] at Unknown Heavy Mech 1 ([3] gunnery (autocannon specialist) + 4 range + 1 movement + 0 enemy movement + 1 light woods + 1 partial cover = 10): rolled 4, missed! - gains 5 heat, sinks 20! Ostsol (Player) - Holds fire! - gains 2 heat, sinks 32! Thunderbolt (Player) - No Line of Sight to target! - gains 2 heat, sinks 16! BattleMaster (Player) - Holds fire! - gains 2 heat, sinks 34! Stalker - Holds fire! - gains 0 heat, sinks 34! Unknown Heavy ‘Mech #1 - Fires ER PPC at Rifleman (3 base + 4 range + 0 movement + 1 enemy movement + 1 light woods + 1 partial cover = 10): rolled 6, missed! - Fires ER PPC at Rifleman (3 base + 4 range + 0 movement + 1 enemy movement + 1 light woods + 1 partial cover = 10): rolled 5, missed! - gains 30 heat, sinks 36! Crusader - Holds fire! - gains 0 heat, sinks 10! Unknown Heavy ‘Mech #2 - Holds fire! - gains 0 heat, sinks 10! Marsden CWT #1 (Ally) - Holds fire! Marsden CWT #2 (Ally) - Holds fire! Heavy Tracked APC #1 (Ally) - Holds fire! Heavy Tracked APC #2 (Ally) - Holds fire! SnowCAT #1 (Ally) - Holds fire! SnowCAT #2 (Ally) - Holds fire! SnowCAT #3 (Ally) - Holds fire! Shooting End Phase [n/a] Melee Phase [n/a] Melee End Phase [n/a] Heat Phase Heat applied! End Phase [n/a]   Map Link Objectives Primary Objective - Capture the Enemy DropShip (0/1) - - Overwhelm DropShip Troop Strength (0/46) - - Turns until the Turncoat is Overwhelmed (1/12) Secondary Objective - Defeat Enemy BattleMech Lance (0/4) Player Status:      Ally Status:          OpForce Status:     Special Rules Glacial Exposure: Ejecting pilots suffer 1 automatic pilot damage. Light Autocannon Tweaks - Autocannon/5s can fire singly or burst fire two shots as per the Ultra Autocannon rules, with the standard chance to jam. - Autocannon/2s can fire singly or burst fire three shots as per the Ultra Autocannon rules, with the standard chance to jam. - Ultra Autocannons don't jam, and receive a +2 bonus on cluster table rolls at short range, +1 at medium range, and +0 at long range. Small Weapon Tweaks - Weapons with a range of 3 or less only have a short range bracket. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Jan 9, 2024 |
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It's going down. The thin ice is marked on the first map, but not the second. Ostsol I think I have enough movement to get to 0618 and then have enough range to unload on the Crusader. The Stalker looks like it's just out of range.
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painedforever posted:It's going down. The thin ice is marked on the first map, but not the second. Well gently caress, it's not supposed to be. Map removed. Edit: And fixed. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Jan 8, 2024 |
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OK yes despite having lurked for like a decade I forgot about the phase order. I should've had the PPCs set to fire on the Catapult / Unknown Heavy 1, which I figured would pop out to its flank. Which also has ER PPCs, which isn't a surprise since the Battlemaster did/half-does too. So I think I'm going to do both PPCs and the LPLAS at the Catapult this turn. I just don't know where to go. Maybe 1516? The LOS from there to the north side of the ridge seems complicated. I don't want to stumble across some thin ice though  I get the feeling I'll be taking shots from the Stalker in one to two combat phases too, no matter where I go five-minutes-later edit: I think I'll just put myself in 1619 and open fire. partial cover goooooooooo propatriamori fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Jan 8, 2024 |
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Rifleman Moving to 1924 and firing at Heavy 1/Catapult again.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Well gently caress, it's not supposed to be. Map removed. Me and my big mouth. Did anyone get a screenshot of that? All I caught was "very"...
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While we're here, there's a hostile heavy mech in the player mech listing, mildly confusing at worst but there.
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Orders in, advancing to medium range and trying to start holepunching the Stalker.
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Yeah, that has to be some oddball upgrade package for a K2. And it's going to be a pain to take out due to lacking any ammo to explode, as well as getting an armor bump.
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Well, I've sent in my orders. Here's hoping for a lucky headshot. Y'know, I just looked up the Crusader. I'll be attacking a VF-1A Armoured Valkyrie using a Zentradi Regult Battle Pod. Dude, I'm the bad guy!
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Nope, the bad guy stole some good stuff, is all. Now help your pirate friend (me) sneak up on these mudders before they attack another of santa's workshops.
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Showdown at High Noon 4-3 It was strange how much more responsive the BattleMaster’s refurbished computer felt. Her Mongoose had been a scout ‘Mech, with most of its processing power devoted to multi-spectrum sensor arrays that could’ve counted the number of ants in an army ant column if some mad queen had issued them tiny rifles. The BattleMaster had far better communications equipment—which meant even the terrible relay satellite in orbit was easily able to punch a signal through to the Dimetrodon’s records. Prodigal tabbed through a few entries and nodded, flagging the enemy ‘Mech under her gunsights. “—Catapult. Some sort of faux-Marauder field refit. Given where the nearest factories are, it’s probably a Kuritan remodel, so I’m designating it CPLT-K1.” She fell silent, depressing the firing stud on her right-hand joystick. Both of her PPC beams converged almost at once on the Catapult’s left arm, scouring away the armor protecting its PPC. It was the sort of nasty hit nobody wanted to take in the first few seconds of battle—but Prodigal still muttered an untransmitted curse. If the BattleMaster had just been a little faster, her large pulse laser would’ve struck home as well and probably sheered the arm off cleanly. Unfortunately, it was just too far, and the laser array lost coherency about thirty meters short. The lasers still struck home, but without enough energy to even start the Catapult’s exposed myomer bundles on fire. “Lieutenant,” Rampart’s transmission of her rank made Prodigal wince. Even if it was unlikely the enemy had had time to hack their encryption—even if her BattleMaster was already the obvious target—it was still against doctrine to identify an officer by rank in combat. “DropShip just launched a lance of fighters—didn’t get a good look. Looked like a medium and a light.” “Weird lance,” Grandpa grumbled, speaking before Prodigal could. Prodigal held her tongue as the old man quietly corrected Rampart’s mistake by making a target of herself. He’d have a talk with her later, if they all walked off the field. “But that’s within our mission plans. They’ll probably make for the raider’s JumpShip to let them know about the trouble, but it’ll take all their fuel to get there. They might strafe us once or twice first; but it’ll take them thirty seconds or so to build up some airspeed and wheel around on us. Be careful, and keep your sensors up. We should have some warning when they swing back around.”  Movement Phase [n/a] Shooting Phase Hoplite (Player) - Fires LB-10X [Slug] at Stalker (2 Gunnery + 2 range + 2 movement + 0 enemy movement + 1 light woods = 7): rolled 6, missed! - gains 4 heat, sinks 16! Rifleman (Player) - Fires Ultra AC/5 [Ultra] at Unknown Heavy Mech 1 ([3] Gunnery (autocannon specialist) + 4 range + 2 movement + 1 enemy movement = 10): rolled 5, missed! - Fires Ultra AC/5 [Ultra] at Unknown Heavy Mech 1 ([3] Gunnery (autocannon specialist) + 4 range + 2 movement + 1 enemy movement = 10): rolled 7, missed! - gains 6 heat, sinks 20! Ostsol (Player) - Fires Large Pulse Laser at Crusader (3 Gunnery + 4 range + 2 movement + 1 enemy movement - 2 pulse laser = 8): rolled 6, missed! - Fires Large Pulse Laser at Crusader (3 Gunnery + 4 range + 2 movement + 1 enemy movement - 2 pulse laser = 8): rolled 10, hit Left Torso (15/24 armor remaining)! - Fires Medium Laser at Crusader: target out of range! - Fires Medium Laser at Crusader: target out of range! - gains 28 heat, sinks 32! Thunderbolt (Player) - Holds fire! - gains 2 heat, sinks 16! BattleMaster (Player) - Fires ER PPC at Catapult (3 Gunnery + 2 range + 1 movement + 1 enemy movement = 7): rolled 9, hit Left Arm (10/20 armor remaining)! - Fires PPC at Catapult (3 Gunnery + 2 range + 1 movement + 1 enemy movement = 7): rolled 7, hit Left Arm (0/20 armor remaining)! - Fires Large Pulse Laser at Catapult: target out of range! - gains 37 heat, sinks 34! Stalker - No Line of Sight to primary target! - No Line of Sight to secondary target! - No Line of Sight to tertiary target! - Fires ER Large Laser at Hoplite (3 Gunnery + 2 range + 1 movement + 2 enemy movement + 1 light woods = 9): rolled 6, missed! - Fires ER Large Laser at Hoplite (3 Gunnery + 2 range + 1 movement + 2 enemy movement + 1 light woods = 9): rolled 8, missed! - Fires LRM-15 at Hoplite (3 Gunnery + 2 range + 1 movement + 2 enemy movement + 1 light woods = 9): rolled 7, missed! - Fires LRM-15 at Hoplite (3 Gunnery + 2 range + 1 movement + 2 enemy movement + 1 light woods = 9): rolled 2, missed! - gains 35 heat, sinks 32! Catapult - Fires ER PPC at Thunderbolt (3 base + 2 range + 2 movement + 1 enemy movement = 8): rolled 9, hit Left Torso (14/24 armor remaining)! - Fires ER PPC at Thunderbolt (3 base + 2 range + 2 movement + 1 enemy movement = 8): rolled 2, missed! - gains 30 heat, sinks 36! Crusader - Fires LRM-15 at Ostsol (3 base + 2 range + 1 movement + 2 enemy movement = 8): rolled 8, with a cluster roll of 5: 9 missiles hit Right Torso (17/22 armor remaining), Right Leg (17/22 armor remaining)! - Fires LRM-15 at Ostsol (3 base + 2 range + 1 movement + 2 enemy movement = 8): rolled 6, missed! - gains 11 heat, sinks 10! Unknown Heavy ‘Mech #2 - Fires AC/5 [Precision Ammo] at BattleMaster (3 base + 4 range + 2 movement + 0 enemy movement + 1 partial cover = 10): rolled 11, hit Left Leg! Damage blocked by terrain! - gains 3 heat, sinks 10! Marsden CWT #1 (Ally) - Holds fire! Marsden CWT #2 (Ally) - Holds fire! Heavy Tracked APC #1 (Ally) - Holds fire! Heavy Tracked APC #2 (Ally) - Holds fire! SnowCAT #1 (Ally) - Holds fire! SnowCAT #2 (Ally) - Holds fire! SnowCAT #3 (Ally) - Holds fire! Shooting End Phase [n/a] Melee Phase [n/a] Melee End Phase [n/a] Heat Phase Heat applied! End Phase [n/a] Next Turn’s Movement Phase DropShip - Launches Unknown Medium AeroSpace Fighter! - Launches Unknown Light AeroSpace Fighter!  Map Link Objectives Primary Objective - Capture the Enemy DropShip (0/1) - - Overwhelm DropShip Troop Strength (0/46) - - Turns until the Turncoat is Overwhelmed (2/12) Secondary Objective - Defeat Enemy BattleMech Lance (0/4) Player Status:      Ally Status: OpForce Status:     Special Rules Glacial Exposure: Ejecting pilots suffer 1 automatic pilot damage. Light Autocannon Tweaks - Autocannon/5s can fire singly or burst fire two shots as per the Ultra Autocannon rules, with the standard chance to jam. - Autocannon/2s can fire singly or burst fire three shots as per the Ultra Autocannon rules, with the standard chance to jam. - Ultra Autocannons don't jam, and receive a +2 bonus on cluster table rolls at short range, +1 at medium range, and +0 at long range. 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i think the maps are borked, first map doesn't show player movement (second one does) and second map doesn't show new enemy movement on a different note, in what situation would it be good for the battlemaster to jettison the PPCs? i can definitely see the benefits if you've got a gauss rifle and it's likely to explode, though biosterous fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Jan 10, 2024 |
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I just checked them and the maps are 2b and 3a, I'm not sure what's going on. Try refreshing?
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i have idea why but it was showing me 2a and 2b before, but now it's 2b and 3a hooray gonna blame computer ghosts
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I have no idea what those fighters are. Best guess is a Star Dagger (which would be a wacky thing to be here unless it's a custom/for-this-campaign variant of some kind) or one of the Medium Strike Fighter generic fighters. The smaller one I don't have a single clue, I don't know any light fighters with a fuselage that tapers then flares back out into a straight thin wing like that.
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There are supposedly a lot of designs that just flat-out don't exist anymore, so it is possible you might see something apocryphal. Or something that inspired something the Clans will design.
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Yeah my approach is intended to be trying to unravel, rather than "that's not canon  "EDIT: with that 'hint', maybe it's what inspired the Pella, which is one hell of a deep cut as far as ASFs are concerned. Basically zero info to be gleaned from that in terms of capability, though. Strobe fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Jan 10, 2024 |
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Ha ok, my brain fart was in the second turn. I thought I'd misunderstood the phase order the first time, but no, it's our movement, shooting, then enemy movement (except for aces). So I dropped my LPLAS into nothing and built up a little heat I didn't need to. Only a little though. Interesting that the Catapult's backing off. I'd be shooting medium/long at it with PPCs. Medium PPCs and long LPLAS at the Dragon, which is pretty tempting (especially since it shot at me). Or I could maybe run to 1217 and open up on the Stalker at shorts with the PPCs and mediums with the MLAS array. That's...also pretty tempting. From 1217, 1515 might block the line of sight from the Catapult and Dragon too, though they're going to have other folks to deal with. It looks like the Stalker's lining up to cover the gorge to the east too. Hmm hmm hmm. Thoughts? I think my most potential damage is to try at the Stalker, and it's...barely heat negative if I do both PPCs and all four medium lasers? 31 weapon heat + 2 running?
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Hoplite I can't get a good angle on the Stalker and maintain a decent move mod, so my options are the three heavies. Going to try the Cestus/Dragon. Just out of ML range sadly. Claiming 1418. Orders in.
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That bastard shot me while I was shooting him! How dare he? I think I'll swing out to 0817, then north to 0813, and hammer him a bit more. I don't have any weapons in my arms, so I can close in and start a bit of smashy-smashy.
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Okay, the Dragon being able to use specialist AC ammo makes it a bit deadlier, especially if the other bin contains Armour-Piercing rounds.
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propatriamori posted:Ha ok, my brain fart was in the second turn. I thought I'd misunderstood the phase order the first time, but no, it's our movement, shooting, then enemy movement (except for aces). So I dropped my LPLAS into nothing and built up a little heat I didn't need to. Only a little though. The enemy has already moved this turn, players move next and all shooting for this turn happens. Each post contains parts of two different turns.
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