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Mulaney Power Move posted:Although you know, Tool might be the best example because maybe most people just don't like songs about getting a fist shoved up your rear end. Then again, I don't really listen to Taylor Swift so maybe she has a song about that too. Tool's problem is that they have some pretty good 3 minute pop-songs that are caked in 7 minutes of poo poo for stoned incel libertarians to stare at Magic Eye posters to. The lyrics don't matter to most people outside the hook, there's like a million hits about jerking-off or butt-loving or whatever. Also their aesthetic looks like indigestion medicine sold at a head shop and is gross. Disco Pope fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Jan 6, 2024 |
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Junk posted:whats the difference between butt rock and cock rock cock rock = upbeat and positive rock with hyper-sexual lyrics that are all about how great they are butt rock = angry, angsty rock in minor keys with gravely vocals both being very generic and accessible and designed for radio play.
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I was under the impression that the term “butt rock” came about because of a bunch of rock radio stations in the 90s-00s ran IDs that would say “nothing bu(t)t ROCK” so listeners started calling any hard rock music of that era “butt rock”
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Cosmik Debris posted:You can't "rip off" a folk melody, that's what makes it a folk melody. Whoever they ripped it off from heard his grandfather play it who learned it from his grandfather, etc. I was commenting more on the preciousness that classical music is held in than composers utilising folk music as inspiration. I suspect that classical composers were often writing in a similar mind set to Lennon/McCartney, or even Cobain. I've heard that the famous organ piece Toccata and Fugue in D Minor was written by Bach to test organs. (I'd also argue, as I have else where, that it is proto-stoner metal.)
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No see this is where my confusion is. To me, butt rock has always been classic rock bands that do basically only ballads. Carry On Wayward Son, More Than A Feeling, Don't Stop Believin. Distorted guitars but not enough to make your mom uncomfortable. Croony vocals, almost never screaming or shouting. Verse chorus verse chorus bridge verse chorus. Never edgy. Cock rock has harder guitars, less melodic vocals, is a little edgier. Pour Some Sugar On Me, Back in Black. For modern artists, Buckcherry is the first I'd think of. Some bands did both, Aerosmith is a great example whoever suggested that. GnR for sure now that I think about like November Rain or Knockin On Heavens Door. It's such a funny sub categorization of music. I'm not claiming I've got the only correct interpretation, I've just always thought of it that way. I like hearing how other people have different versions of these common terms.
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It's not complicated, you play cock rock with your cock and butt rock with your butt.
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Ralph Hurley posted:I was under the impression that the term “butt rock” came about because of a bunch of rock radio stations in the 90s-00s ran IDs that would say “nothing bu(t)t ROCK” so listeners started calling any hard rock music of that era “butt rock” Yes, and as such it's just a disparaging term for whatever mainstream rock somebody doesn't like and there isn't much point in trying to come up with a universal musical definition
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Agreed that Thin Lizzy owns hard. I saw a tweet years ago that was something like "you know how in Thin Lizzy's jailbreak, they say 'tonight there's gonna be a jailbreak somewhere in this town', maybe start with the jail, dumbass"
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Rock out with your butt out.
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HenryJLittlefinger posted:Agreed that Thin Lizzy owns hard. I saw a tweet years ago that was something like "you know how in Thin Lizzy's jailbreak, they say 'tonight there's gonna be a jailbreak somewhere in this town', maybe start with the jail, dumbass" I always thought it was a metaphor for ditching work to party all night.
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A friend of mine has this on his car
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has anyone said dickbutt rock yet?
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The funny thing about saying Kurt Cobain was this amazing lyricist is that if you listen to interviews, new or old, Kurt just went into the booth and just sang gibberish that came to him in the moment. Basically on the same creative level as me singing to my dog
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I never said he was a great lyricist, the only band that had good lyrics imo was procol harum, and anything written by Van Dyke Parks. I dont even care for dylan's if im being honest. Mostly nonsense, and not in the fun, Runciple Spoon kind of a way, but in an annoying beat poetry way. Cobain still wrote good songs though.
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:In general I kind of can't stand when people place value on music based on its technical complexity rather than if it is simply engaging to listen to or elicits any kind of emotional response. Impressive musical skills are meaningless if the results don't make you feel anything. A long time ago a goon friend showed me Dragonforce and I thought it was very impressive, but just random noise. It was awful. Everyone has a different emotional response to different music.
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Seriously? Butt rock is rock music that makes the ladies shake their butts. Cock rock is music by dudes for dudes talking about how awesome it is being a dude banging ladies. That's it.
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Cosmik Debris posted:I never said he was a great lyricist, the only band that had good lyrics imo was procol harum, and anything written by Van Dyke Parks. I dont even care for dylan's if im being honest. Mostly nonsense, and not in the fun, Runciple Spoon kind of a way, but in an annoying beat poetry way. Both of their lyrics are gibberish fever dream babbling yet I know almost every word. I mostly listened to 22,000 minutes of synthwave last year though so electronic stuff is definitely also my jam. Learning smells like teen spirit on guitar right after smoke on the water made me not really respect a super reliant on power cord band, but as I got older I'm not pretentious anymore, if the song is catchy enough I can forgive almost zero technical playing in it. I'm glad I got to experience some of the most talented musicians ever during my pretentious phase, but I don't exactly listen to them to relax and vibe.
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Nirvana is the anime of grudge rock
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In Utero is a masterpiece and every other bit of grunge is mid to awful.
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emSparkly posted:In Utero is a masterpiece and every other bit of grunge is mid to awful. It was their "art" album they made how /they/ wanted
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I heard the term 'pub rock' years ago to describe bands like Journey and Kansas; other varoius 70s/80s rock acts that didn't do metal but didn't really go pop or new wave, either.
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Quaint Quail Quilt posted:Learning smells like teen spirit on guitar right after smoke on the water made me not really respect a super reliant on power cord band, but as I got older I'm not pretentious anymore, if the song is catchy enough I can forgive almost zero technical playing in it. I agree. Green Day was one of the biggest bands in the world and all of their songs consist of 3 to 4 power cords. I like them though.  Whatever.edit: I played with the current drummer at the time of REO Speedwagon in the late 90s at a party for my dad's friend. My dad was guitar/singing, and I was bass backup vocals. I was maybe 15 or so. It was fun. Gary, the drummer, had a warrant out in a few states at the time I believe. He was a fun guy. I'm not a fan of REO Speedwagon. At least I think it was REO. Could have been another band like them. Pennywise the Frown fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Jan 6, 2024 |
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The problem with chasing what is "technically" good on guitar (or any instrument) is that there's always someone, somehwere, playing something "better" and eventually you get stuck in a rut of "I dont like this band because they're not good enough on their instruments" and then suddenly you're listening to speed metal. and speed metal sucks. so now you're that guy who tries to convince everyone speed metal is good.
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Music loving sucks. Silence is better. That's the original alternative!
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Cosmik Debris posted:The problem with chasing what is "technically" good on guitar (or any instrument) is that there's always someone, somehwere, playing something "better" and eventually you get stuck in a rut of "I dont like this band because they're not good enough on their instruments" and then suddenly you're listening to speed metal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F0eNKIc1iY Modern tech death is what you're thinking of, and it does loving suck. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snDfSqcPHWk
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credburn posted:My dad had a huge record album growing up, and of course I knew Thin Lizzy from their big hit, but man the entire Jailbreak album is so great, and Cowboy Song always was one of my favorites. The main riff gives me chills, one of those nostalgic things.... Thanks for posting this. I grew up resenting a lot of classic rock because I hated the local stations, because I could not pick up the good modern rock stations in my little whitebread poo poo town. I had Thin Lizzy written off because The Boys Are Back In Town got played beyond death and Jailbreak was the only other song they’d play. Maybe now I’ll have to reevaluate them and blame radio for being utter garbage. I’m going to say that I hate xkcd. Randall Munroe strikes me as the kind of person who regularly brings up some esoteric stuff he’d just read about, like earlier in the day, in casual conversation as though it’s common knowledge, or will insert himself into a conversation and make himself the foremost authority on the topic despite having no experience in it beyond what he’d read on Wikipedia that day because he was bored at work. I get that he probably isn’t, but to me that’s just how xkcd reads; I guess it really rankles me because I have a cousin who is exactly the person I’ve described, and he is one of the most pompous, insufferable, Dunning-Kruger-brained people with whom I’ve ever wasted my time maintaining a friendship.
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root beer posted:Randall Munroe strikes me as the kind of person who regularly brings up some esoteric stuff he’d just read about, like earlier in the day, in casual conversation as though it’s common knowledge, or will insert himself into a conversation and make himself the foremost authority on the topic despite having no experience in it beyond what he’d read on Wikipedia that day because he was bored at work. well yeah, he's an engineer.
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Cosmik Debris posted:The problem with chasing what is "technically" good on guitar (or any instrument) is that there's always someone, somehwere, playing something "better" and eventually you get stuck in a rut of "I dont like this band because they're not good enough on their instruments" and then suddenly you're listening to speed metal. Not sure where you're running into these dudes, because I honestly can't say I've met anyone like that since maybe junior high. Most people are perfectly capable of enjoying virtuosity and simplicity in equal measure, I do it all the time. Just not with Nirvana, obviously.
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I know a ton of musicians and all they care about re: music is how "technically good" the guitar player is, but everything they like sounds like garbage to me, especially the guitars
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We'll be listening to something they told me about and the guitar player will do some dumb math-based squiddley-dee and they're like "wow I can't believe he can do that!". Do what, sound like poo poo but really fast???
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A lot of the really "technically" good music often reminds me of those ultra realistic paintings, where your like wow that painting looks exactly like a photo, but like if it was a photo it would be a pretty boring one. Like I can appreciate all the time and talent that goes into it, but the end of the day I'd much rather something that's sure a bit less "technically" good, but is far more emotionally/aesthetically pleasing.
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It’s like the difference between foie gras and a really bitchin hoagie. The former is fancier but the latter is just normal good food and I’m ok with that.
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that's where art lives. between hoagies and foie grois. and why good art is so rare. most people stop at one or turn their nose up at the other.
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Technique only matters inasmuch as it limits your ability to express yourself.
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The thing with technical players is the yardstick is essentially "what you're playing is tricky and also you're doing it quickly". Musicality rarely has anything to do with it. You see it with guitars all the time "yooo that finger tapping to sweep picking was so awesome!" Yeah unfortunately it sounds like they're practicing usually. You can play technically challenging and musically interesting things, but for some reasons that seems rare as loving poo poo. And on the other end you have Nirvana and the like, very simplistic and not technically challenging, but enjoyed by a lot of people. I'm also going to say that Nirvana is not actually as "durr anyone could write this" as people think. But to explain why it's trickier than it sounds usually involves diving into music theory and people will gloss over and go "idunno it sounds simple to me" so gently caress it, just enjoy the tunes.
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Les Claypool is technically one of the best bass players. But he might as well just be slapping his dick and balls on the fretboard for most his songs for how it sounds.
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syntaxfunction posted:The thing with technical players is the yardstick is essentially "what you're playing is tricky and also you're doing it quickly". Musicality rarely has anything to do with it. You see it with guitars all the time "yooo that finger tapping to sweep picking was so awesome!" Yeah unfortunately it sounds like they're practicing usually. The best guitar solos (or solos in general) are ones that you couldn't imagine being in any other song because they serve that song so well. Robert Fripp's solo on Eno's Baby's on Fire and Dean Ween's on Demon Sweat are two that are like that for me.
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Another classic example is the sax solo on Baker street.
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Mulaney Power Move posted:Les Claypool is technically one of the best bass players. But he might as well just be slapping his dick and balls on the fretboard for most his songs for how it sounds. That does sound like a technique he might try.
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Knowing when not to play is as important, and in a lot of ways, more important, than knowing when to play. Speaking as someone who's played in bands for a long time, people who are very technically accomplished can have a hard time pulling it back and giving space to other elements of the song. They get bored and start to resent the band. That's why things like jazz fusion exist - everyone soloing on top of each other for 7 minutes. Like, cool, they're having a blast, I know there's an audience of other technically accomplished musicians out there who like listening to it - but I dont. That poo poo sounds awful to me. Same with noodly jam band nonsense. No, bands like nirvana are rare. Everybody in the band knew what was up. Dave Grohl is a sick drummer but he knows to just do basic poo poo sometimes and let Kurt sing. Because Kurt may not have played guitar amazingly, but he had a good voice and was a good singer with an interesting style in addition to writing catchy songs. As for primus, I like primus, but I can't help but think they're a math funk version of The Residents. Cosmik Debris fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Jan 7, 2024 |
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