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Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/07/rishi-sunak-says-he-wants-to-cut-workers-taxes-this-year-and-may-reduce-benefits

quote:

“You’ve seen the number of people who are signed off has tripled,” he said. “So do I think our country is three times sicker than it was a decade ago? The answer is no. That the system is not working as it was designed to work.”

So instead of understanding which part of the system is not working as to why the number of people is tripled (cuts to NHS services, cuts to mental health in particular, long waiting lists, cuts to support services and so on), just hit them in the pocket, that'll make them get better.

What an oik.

113 is a Sophie Germaine prime. Ie 113*2+1 is also prime. 227.
Actually, 113 is a pretty interesting number:

113 is a Sophie Germain prime,[1] an emirp, an isolated prime, a Chen prime[2] and a Proth prime 113 is also an Eisenstein prime In decimal, this prime is a primeval number[3] and a permutable prime with 131 and 311.

(Why can't this forum do LaTex?)

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Jan 7, 2024

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happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Trainee PornStar posted:

He bought an electric chainsaw so he can go to the local woods & cut the deadfall without being heard for miles.

That's what he tells you.

What he's actually doing, serial killing and burying the bodies.

And sorry to hear HopperUK.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

I'm more of a log pincher

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Trainee PornStar posted:

My dad's got a wood burner...

He bought an electric chainsaw so he can go to the local woods & cut the deadfall without being heard for miles.
He doesn't live up by Hadrian's wall, does he?

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010

HopperUK posted:

Thank you everyone <3<3

She was spectacular.



Aw I’m so sorry mate. While she was here she lived a life surrounded by love, comfort, fun and tasty food - what more could any dog ask for? Take care.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
So sorry about your little girl, Hopper, she looks like a great friend

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Bobby Deluxe posted:

He doesn't live up by Hadrian's wall, does he?

Nope, he's down south.

Makes me laugh when the crazy old fucker chucks the chainsaw in the back of the car & comes back a few hours later with a car full of wood.

May I be doing the same at nearly 80 :)

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

My local Tory-town Conservative Club has had a rebrand:


:lol: and :lmao:

I did troll them last year in the town's facebook group for a few weeks about having a rebrand, owing to the toxic nature of their current brand, but I had no idea they'd loving go ahead and do it

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

The Post Office woman lives in my mums village lol

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

fuctifino posted:

My local Tory-town Conservative Club has had a rebrand:


:lol: and :lmao:

I did troll them last year in the town's facebook group for a few weeks about having a rebrand, owing to the toxic nature of their current brand, but I had no idea they'd loving go ahead and do it

The Conservative Club in a town near me dropped the "Conservative" bit, it was popular as a general meeting place not just tories, but anyway, it's now closing down.

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

The Conservative Club in a town near me dropped the "Conservative" bit, it was popular as a general meeting place not just tories, but anyway, it's now closing down.

What a shame, nevermind..

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

The Conservative Club in a town near me dropped the "Conservative" bit, it was popular as a general meeting place not just tories, but anyway, it's now closing down.

The one in my city had a long internal dispute about rebranding itself (to counter the fact that its membership was dying off virtually week by week).

Like a microcosm for modern UK Conservatism about a third of the membership were saying "however much cheap drink, good food, film nights and free parking we offer no one under 50 wants to join a Conservative Club and have a cosy evening in The Margaret Thatcher Suite with pictures of Reagan and Churchill on the walls" and the other 2/3rds were incredibly worried that changing the name and decor would attract the wrong sort of youths and they'd rather the club withered and died rather than make any attempt at relevance or appealing to people who aren't old, white, male small businesses owners.

So it's still called the Conservative Club and the building still has blue fences and window frames. There was a phase when all their social media posts and notice board flyers said something like 'the Conservative Club, which is not part of the Conservative Party...' but that seems to have stopped now. Although the main lounge is now the Grantham Room and the sign outside says (punctuation rendered as on the sign): "Probably" the "best" members' Club in [city]!

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Too many senior management types are easily swayed by a slimy git in a smart suit and a flawless powerpoint presentation and often both the company rep and the senior management person tasked with procuring the software or whatever - are clueless about the actual nature of the work that needs doing.
The 'doers of the work' are normally kept well away from the 'writers of the software'.

all of that is spot on, yeah

in my particular case the problem started because the clique of poo poo for brains management people who made the important decisions wanted to bring in the third party because it'd done a decent job of developing a new system for a neighbouring health trust - they went out "fact finding" and came back very excited :sparkles:, so we knew something bad was in the works. The difference was that the other trust involved the people who'd be maintaining the system (our counterparts) from the start including in the crucial requirements process. what happened where i worked was management didn't involve anyone with knowledge of IT in the requirements process and handed a list of magical, impossible to fulfil requirements that went ridiculously beyond the scope of what was supposed to be developed to a third party that was happy to tell them they could be fulfilled for a hefty fee, only to hand over a pile of inoperable poo poo. they also refused to involve us in the testing process, so they just sat and had a demo from the supplier who deftly avoided doing any of the things they knew would cause the thing to break

and when the poo poo hit the fan when this thing came up against real life, they of course tried to blame us for its many shortcomings

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

crispix posted:

all of that is spot on, yeah

in my particular case the problem started because the clique of poo poo for brains management people who made the important decisions wanted to bring in the third party because it'd done a decent job of developing a new system for a neighbouring health trust - they went out "fact finding" and came back very excited :sparkles:, so we knew something bad was in the works. The difference was that the other trust involved the people who'd be maintaining the system (our counterparts) from the start including in the crucial requirements process. what happened where i worked was management didn't involve anyone with knowledge of IT in the requirements process and handed a list of magical, impossible to fulfil requirements that went ridiculously beyond the scope of what was supposed to be developed to a third party that was happy to tell them they could be fulfilled for a hefty fee, only to hand over a pile of inoperable poo poo. they also refused to involve us in the testing process, so they just sat and had a demo from the supplier who deftly avoided doing any of the things they knew would cause the thing to break

and when the poo poo hit the fan when this thing came up against real life, they of course tried to blame us for its many shortcomings

My boss actually sent me off on a "fact finding" mission to a small Trust, one of the first to be created consisting of one hospital and one clinic (ours was multi-dimensional including several hospitals, dozens of clinics, various other facilities), ostensibly to see how it was done, but really because he knew the top bods wanted to use the person at that small Trust who had a private company (owned by himself & charged to the NHS at great expense) do the work and who happened to be mates with the top bod at our HA (not divided into trusts at that point in time). My brief from the boss was - find out if he's any good, and if you don't think so, make sure to draw up a specification for tender that he can't possibly satisfy. He wasn't any good - basically the staff had done all the work and he'd claimed the credit for his company. He wasn't invited to tender once the top bod saw the spec.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
yeah, i went into healthcare IT thinking I could make a difference loool :allears:

so much needless corruption and so many people in management who are incompetent to a level that shouldn't be possible

Scatterfold
Nov 4, 2008


Z the IVth posted:

Ah would that be Epic by any chance.

I'm at a big Trust that's just bought Epic in; the software in itself isn't too bad - although it really needs NHS-ifying - but the implementation is. A combination of petty attempts at empire-making and a woeful (lack of) training and preparedness. The upper echelons of the NHS are (often) filled with people too poo poo to survive in the private sector, and too selfish for the public sector.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

fuctifino posted:

My local Tory-town Conservative Club has had a rebrand:


:lol: and :lmao:

I did troll them last year in the town's facebook group for a few weeks about having a rebrand, owing to the toxic nature of their current brand, but I had no idea they'd loving go ahead and do it

that looks like the caff the losing team on the apprentice get sent to to slag each other off

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling




Isn't that when you stalk Seaside Loafer around the train station?

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


crispix posted:

that looks like the caff the losing team on the apprentice get sent to to slag each other off

That cafe is nearby me, don’t you dare besmirch it like that.

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

Scatterfold posted:

I'm at a big Trust that's just bought Epic in; the software in itself isn't too bad - although it really needs NHS-ifying - but the implementation is. A combination of petty attempts at empire-making and a woeful (lack of) training and preparedness. The upper echelons of the NHS are (often) filled with people too poo poo to survive in the private sector, and too selfish for the public sector.

Having suffered from (and heard stories) of various EPR systems EPIC is probably the best of the lot. It is extremely powerful but it does rely on a proper support structure behind it and communicating with the clinicians.

Unfortunately the trust had a budget and they blew it all on the software package and now it's like shoestring team trying to keep up with a neverending mountain of demands from a very large trust's worth of clinicians.

Something as simple as 'maybe change that order name so it doesn't sound so arcane and confusing' is something that may take maybe a year to fix (if ever). We had a 'top priority from central gov' request come through and even with half the C-suite breathing down their neck it took 3 months.

It's like trying to play Cyberpunk 2077 with a Voodoo2.

Diet Crack
Jan 15, 2001

I swear only Brits would whine about what wrapper material their shithouse chocolate came in
Demolished a bag, there were a lot of toffee pennys which I don't mind but I'm sure will have people loving seething

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Diet Crack posted:

I swear only Brits would whine about what wrapper material their shithouse chocolate came in
Demolished a bag, there were a lot of toffee pennys which I don't mind but I'm sure will have people loving seething

I figure with UK dentistry being what it is these days, a lot of people with bad teeth will be using toffee pennies for dental extraction rather than the pliers.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I already extracted a filling with a curly wurly once. Not enormously pleasant.

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

The “Crap Footballer having a meltdown because ladies are allowed to talk about kicking a ball” seems to have passed the thread by, but it’s now into its second week and he’s moved on to the classic Boomer “I fought in WW1 so this kind of filth shouldn’t happen” trope

grobbo
May 29, 2014

smellmycheese posted:

The “Crap Footballer having a meltdown because ladies are allowed to talk about kicking a ball” seems to have passed the thread by, but it’s now into its second week and he’s moved on to the classic Boomer “I fought in WW1 so this kind of filth shouldn’t happen” trope



Sorry, so what was this about? The existence of female footie commentators brings shame to the memory of some bloke who got chlorine gassed 110 years ago?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
If I wanted to talk about how good manly men are at settling disputes I personally would not invoke Ypres.

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

grobbo posted:

Sorry, so what was this about? The existence of female footie commentators brings shame to the memory of some bloke who got chlorine gassed 110 years ago?

Barton has been on a career ending meltdown about lady commentators. He compared them to Rose West and also directly accused Philip Schofield of being a nonce. He’s not stopping

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Just in general or did someone commentate unfavourably about him?

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

OwlFancier posted:

Just in general or did someone commentate unfavourably about him?

He just doesn’t like ladies discussing men kicking balls

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Joey Barton is a piece of poo poo wifebeater and racist, and defends his brother who was locked away for killing a black teen with an icepick. So none of this should be that surprising. But it is funny to read someone so low-IQ seasoning their drivel with stuff like "neo-Marxist"

Sanford
Jun 30, 2007

...and rarely post!


Hope no-one minds a bit of a ranty self-post. Please feel free to ignore but I’m definitely open to any thoughts anyone has.

I work in a very small sector as a client manager for some specific software products. I share the role with a single colleague who, during 2023, managed 106 full days in the office - and that’s counting in before 10 and stayed later than 4 as full days. Sometimes he calls in, sometimes he just doesn’t turn up. He has bad anxiety and, I believe, some other issues too.

He wasn’t in all last week and this morning said thanks for picking up all his stuff, sorry about that. I said “you’re welcome but honestly mate I’m getting used to it” with a laugh he laughed too… and now he’s gone and told the CEO I am being unwelcoming, making it harder for him to come back to work, and it’s not my business if he’s in or not. I’ve been asked to give the CEO a call this afternoon. We get on fine.

I am entirely unsure what to do. If my guy has bad MH poo poo going on I don’t want to be the one saying to the boss that he’s got to get this loving sorted, but on the other hand at this rate he’s going to have both client managers off with brain madness of one kind or another. I don’t know what to do. We took him on 15 months ago because I was saying I’d be over capacity in six months. I’m still doing 90% of the work and now with an added element of uncertainty. Anyone got any advice?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I suppose there is a line from "Europe fucks up so badly twice that it becomes a cultural memory of horror" to "second wave feminists claim that this is an inherent male violence and wouldn't happen if women ruled the world" to "second wave feminists all become terves and penis obsessives, younger women play football instead".

So there is a line between gassing at Ypres and women commenting on football, it's just not the one he thinks it is.

Also there's a far more direct line between the man who opened the gas valves and the bread in his local supermarket, but I wouldn't assume he goes around shouting about that. Or maybe he does. :shrug:

grobbo
May 29, 2014

Sanford posted:

Hope no-one minds a bit of a ranty self-post. Please feel free to ignore but I’m definitely open to any thoughts anyone has.

I work in a very small sector as a client manager for some specific software products. I share the role with a single colleague who, during 2023, managed 106 full days in the office - and that’s counting in before 10 and stayed later than 4 as full days. Sometimes he calls in, sometimes he just doesn’t turn up. He has bad anxiety and, I believe, some other issues too.

He wasn’t in all last week and this morning said thanks for picking up all his stuff, sorry about that. I said “you’re welcome but honestly mate I’m getting used to it” with a laugh he laughed too… and now he’s gone and told the CEO I am being unwelcoming, making it harder for him to come back to work, and it’s not my business if he’s in or not. I’ve been asked to give the CEO a call this afternoon. We get on fine.

I am entirely unsure what to do. If my guy has bad MH poo poo going on I don’t want to be the one saying to the boss that he’s got to get this loving sorted, but on the other hand at this rate he’s going to have both client managers off with brain madness of one kind or another. I don’t know what to do. We took him on 15 months ago because I was saying I’d be over capacity in six months. I’m still doing 90% of the work and now with an added element of uncertainty. Anyone got any advice?

I'd make a very conscious effort to detach the two issues and address the workload rather than the individual, if you can:

- of course you didn't mean anything by the comment or want to make your colleague feel unwelcome, it was just a joke and you're sorry for any upset caused, happy to say that to him directly, etc.

- you have to honestly acknowledge that it's been hard for you this past year as there hasn't been as much support available as you expected. You completely understand that this isn't your colleague's fault, but you're definitely struggling with the work and the constant change-ups, so the easements promised by taking on a new team member haven't been met.

Your boss and HR team will have to make a call (and hopefully will have provisions or accommodations in place) about how the situation is handled - but that shouldn't be on you to worry about, and you don't want them to treat this as a clash between colleagues that needs mediating, when in fact it's about the pressures on your time.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
We had a team member a couple years ago who we employed, was off sick >60% the time from day 1 with anxiety or something anxiety-adjacent, and to be frank we decided that wasn't good enough and she was sacked.

There really needs to be a good social safety net for people with debilitating issues because I don't have a lot of patience for people who could be in the office on any given day on the toss of a coin and create headaches for everyone else.

Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

I firmly believe that the last thought that flashed through that dude's mind before his alveoli dissolved into ketchup was "I hope to Christ there's never a woman on Match of the Day"

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Sanford posted:

He wasn’t in all last week and this morning said thanks for picking up all his stuff, sorry about that. I said “you’re welcome but honestly mate I’m getting used to it” with a laugh he laughed too… and now he’s gone and told the CEO I am being unwelcoming, making it harder for him to come back to work, and it’s not my business if he’s in or not. I’ve been asked to give the CEO a call this afternoon. We get on fine.

So he has too much anxiety to do his job in pretty much any capacity, but at the first mildly jokey comment is able to run straight to the CEO of the company and lay everything bare.

Not to imply that he doesn't have difficulties of course, but it doesn't bode well for his attitude and willingness to improve.

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






smellmycheese posted:

Barton has been on a career ending meltdown about lady commentators. He compared them to Rose West and also directly accused Philip Schofield of being a nonce. He’s not stopping
He's actually correct that a few of women pundits should be sacked but I'd add that almost all of the men should be too. The bar is so low for that kind of career.

Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

Sanford posted:

Hope no-one minds a bit of a ranty self-post. Please feel free to ignore but I’m definitely open to any thoughts anyone has.

I work in a very small sector as a client manager for some specific software products. I share the role with a single colleague who, during 2023, managed 106 full days in the office - and that’s counting in before 10 and stayed later than 4 as full days. Sometimes he calls in, sometimes he just doesn’t turn up. He has bad anxiety and, I believe, some other issues too.

He wasn’t in all last week and this morning said thanks for picking up all his stuff, sorry about that. I said “you’re welcome but honestly mate I’m getting used to it” with a laugh he laughed too… and now he’s gone and told the CEO I am being unwelcoming, making it harder for him to come back to work, and it’s not my business if he’s in or not. I’ve been asked to give the CEO a call this afternoon. We get on fine.

I am entirely unsure what to do. If my guy has bad MH poo poo going on I don’t want to be the one saying to the boss that he’s got to get this loving sorted, but on the other hand at this rate he’s going to have both client managers off with brain madness of one kind or another. I don’t know what to do. We took him on 15 months ago because I was saying I’d be over capacity in six months. I’m still doing 90% of the work and now with an added element of uncertainty. Anyone got any advice?

I'm sure the guy has genuine problems but this is a totally rancid way to behave towards anyone, let alone a colleague who's been keeping him afloat for a year.

I've seen this pattern time and time again - you have been so accommodating, professional, and helpful that your bosses now see you as a bottomless, frictionless resource. You've now expressed a boundary, however obliquely, and they're shook. It shouldn't be your responsibility to do so - because any manager worth a poo poo should spot this pattern and intervene themselves - but you need to push back and explain that this incident has affected your mental health. I think it's also perfectly legitimate to tell your colleague that you would prefer that he at least mention issues like this to you directly before going over your head and landing you in the poo poo.

Sorry it's happened to you.

Sir Sidney Poitier
Aug 14, 2006

My favourite actor




Not sure this is the smackdown he thinks it is.

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Wachter
Mar 23, 2007

You and whose knees?

Rishi Sunak is Square One

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