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You all are doomposting and missing the real issue. loving magnets. How do they work?
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KillHour posted:Oh, I'm most certainly not taking him at his word. I'm remarking at how incredibly stupid this is - either because it is false and grasping at the flimsiest of straws, or because it is true and God is the laziest loving writer in all of history. The trouble is that the filing is written in such an over-the-top manner that it’s hard to evaluate. Like saying the DA should be criminally prosecuted for fraud is kinda going beyond what a normal filing would have.
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Lammasu posted:You all are doomposting and missing the real issue. loving magnets. How do they work? Not in water
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If I'm reading this right the source for these recent allegations is a man named... John Barron? In other news, Jack Smith also got swatted. Cool. Cool cool.
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I feel like if you have a case so high profile that it'll be in history books, you'd try to hand it off if you have any major skeletons in your closet. 'I recuse myself because I was having an affair' is embarrassing but orders of magnitude less then 'I fumbled an incredibly high profile case because I didn't think anyone might give me a shred of scrutiny'
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Wait, one sec, backup. Are you telling me the state level trial of the century is going to get aborted because the DA had an affair? Who wrote this script?!!
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InsertPotPun posted:if this works i'm switching to team trump. if this works trump obviously has some sort of divine help. might actually have a guardian angel, the only person in the entire world. if this works i'll never oppose saint trump again. it's just not worth risking damnation at this point we have to conclude that either trump is personally blessed by god or has the ability to rewrite reality to his will but in completely ridiculous ways
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Jan 9, 2024 07:04
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Comstar posted:Wait, one sec, backup. Are you telling me the state level trial of the century is going to get aborted because the DA had an affair? I'm still waiting for them to somehow try and bring back last season fan favorite Steve Bannon! ...or did he like die at some point? How is there always so much stuff always happening around trump and why is it always so stupid?
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Jan 9, 2024 07:08
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People in this day and age, especially on the SA forums, should need more evidence then, "some random guy said something"
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Ancient American curse; may you live in stupid times.InsertPotPun posted:if this works i'm switching to team trump. if this works trump obviously has some sort of divine help. might actually have a guardian angel, the only person in the entire world. if this works i'll never oppose saint trump again. it's just not worth risking damnation I don't know why you would assume divine intervention when this is a pretty clear Satanic Contract situation. Dude's surrounded by terrible lawyers as a consequence of making one hell of an ironclad infernal contract once.
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Jan 9, 2024 08:09
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What's the Georgia law around conflict of interest?
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Jan 9, 2024 08:11
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I am in no way, shape or form a lawyer, but I've glanced at the motion and it looks bad to me. It appears they're either flat out lying in a spectacular and even criminal way, or they've actually got something. Someone who knows this stuff please tell me I'm wrong!
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Jan 9, 2024 08:14
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C. Everett Koop posted:at this point we have to conclude that either trump is personally blessed by god or has the ability to rewrite reality to his will but in completely ridiculous ways He's got the reality stone but his brain's so mushy that the sporadic firings of his neurons are leading to this blessed existence lazy writing.
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Freudian slippers posted:I am in no way, shape or form a lawyer, but I've glanced at the motion and it looks bad to me. It appears they're either flat out lying in a spectacular and even criminal way, or they've actually got something. If they don't have the goods they are 100% getting nailed for slander/libel because the accusations are extremely specific including exact dollar figures that allegedly changed hands.
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Jan 9, 2024 12:10
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And if the question becomes “surely no one would be stupid enough to open themselves up to libel by making specific poo poo up” I can only gesture vaguely in the direction of the Trump legal team.
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M.c.P posted:And if the question becomes “surely no one would be stupid enough to open themselves up to libel by making specific poo poo up” I can only gesture vaguely in the direction of the Trump legal team. This isn't Trump's legal team. It's one of the named conspirators (Mike Roman) and his attorney Ashley Merchant who are behind this filing.
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Jan 9, 2024 12:47
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cr0y posted:This isn't Trump's legal team. It's one of the named conspirators (Mike Roman) and his attorney Ashley Merchant who are behind this filing. Counter Point: The reason Mike Roman is where he is, was because he made multiple baseless allegations of election and voter fraud in the 2020 elections. In other words, he would have form for this.
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Jan 9, 2024 12:54
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The Question IRL posted:Counter Point: The reason Mike Roman is where he is, was because he made multiple baseless allegations of election and voter fraud in the 2020 elections. Yup I totally agree with that. Just wanted to point out that this one specifically isn't from the clown car of morons that is the trump legal team. It's entirely possible that a new freshman class of moron lawyers is cutting their teeth, and on that note I did dig up his attorney and she has a law firm consisting of her and her dad.... So... I dunno. I'm waiting for a response from Willis more than what we already got which was "Will talk later"
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cr0y posted:Yup I totally agree with that. Just wanted to point out that this one specifically isn't from the clown car of morons that is the trump legal team. It's entirely possible that a new freshman class of moron lawyers is cutting their teeth, and on that note I did dig up his attorney and she has a law firm consisting of her and her dad.... So... I dunno. Atlanta law people on twitter are saying she is known and is not a hack.
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Freudian slippers posted:I am in no way, shape or form a lawyer, but I've glanced at the motion and it looks bad to me. It appears they're either flat out lying in a spectacular and even criminal way, or they've actually got something. It's possible that it's a combination of the two. They're exaggerating what they believe to be true because they're basing it off a source, who they can throw under the bus if it blows up. Like if her ex-husband is convinced it happened and is willing to tell the world, but there's no actual hard evidence other than he said/she said.
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FizFashizzle posted:Atlanta law people on twitter are saying she is known and is not a hack. That's annoying, but it does make sense that some people in trump's circle might actually still have enough brain cells left to try and get decent legal council.
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FizFashizzle posted:Atlanta law people on twitter are saying she is known and is not a hack. Just gonna toss out these profiles so people can read and form their own opinions https://www.criminaldefenseattorneysmarietta.com/attorney-profiles/ashleigh-b-merchant/ https://profiles.superlawyers.com/georgia/marietta/lawyer/ashleigh-merchant/ab49380b-ffaf-4cff-8506-d6a53cc2265c.html Definitely seems to be at least above average on the competence scale.
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Gyges posted:It's possible that it's a combination of the two. They're exaggerating what they believe to be true because they're basing it off a source, who they can throw under the bus if it blows up. Like if her ex-husband is convinced it happened and is willing to tell the world, but there's no actual hard evidence other than he said/she said. Well, they're alleging trips together, hotel rooms, purchases from accounts, that sort of thing. So if true there should be receipts. They're alleging things that are trackable. C. Everett Koop posted:at this point we have to conclude that either trump is personally blessed by god or has the ability to rewrite reality to his will but in completely ridiculous ways Perhaps we're all cursed and Trump is, in fact, the instrument of our destruction at the hands of YHWH. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 13:51 on Jan 9, 2024 |
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All that said without reading Georgia ethical rules etc. I'm not sure this if true is even a conflict. It's at least arguable that it's not. Everybody's a prosecutor. She's allowed to hire people, he's alllowed to spend money he's been paid on things. No law says you can't date co-workers. If he was the appointed Trump *defense* counsel, that'd be bad! But they're all on the same side. It *looks* horrible as poo poo and is definitely a violation of the "avoid the appearance of evil" rule but there's definitely room for a scenario where this stuff is at least partly true, but also, doesn't force the case off the rails.
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Jan 9, 2024 13:55
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Yeah, it can be a conflict of interest to hire someone you are sleeping with, while also not being the same kind of conflict of interest that recusal is about. The tweet quoted above seem to conflate this.
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sebmojo posted:What's the Georgia law around conflict of interest? If the allegations are true, then the entire Fulton County DA office must recuse. The case falls to the Georgia AG, who may very well drop the case.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Well, they're alleging trips together, hotel rooms, purchases from accounts, that sort of thing. So if true there should be receipts. They're alleging things that are trackable. Yes, but if they're basing those specific claims off "a dude with a stack of axes to grind told me so" that's possibly not technically criminal while still having absolutely no proof. We have to wait an see, but there's still room for them to both be full of poo poo and not making wild accusations out of thin air.
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saintonan posted:If the allegations are true, then the entire Fulton County DA office must recuse. The case falls to the Georgia AG, who may very well drop the case. Yea this is the poo poo part of it, if Willis is dirty the entire tree of people under her go down with the ship as well and I would imagine all of the work put in so far gets shredded. If they can make this stick and have receipts it's a kill shot for the entire GA case and everyone involved will likely walk.
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What about the people who already plead guilty?
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The buzz I saw was both that the affair itself was a conflict but also Willis hired the guy to be a special prosecutor when he was not qualified under the law, using the case as a vehicle to pay the person she was having an affair with. That would be a conflict because you could argue that the people working the case have improper motive.
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saintonan posted:If the allegations are true, then the entire Fulton County DA office must recuse. The case falls to the Georgia AG, who may very well drop the case. Why would they have to recuse? None of the allegations seem serious at all.
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Glimm posted:Why would they have to recuse? None of the allegations seem serious at all. That's Georgia law. If the DA is found to have a conflict of interest, the entire office is automatically disqualified from the case. edit: I'm not saying the allegations are true, just stating what they are and what the effect of them being affirmed would be.
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Xiahou Dun posted:What about the people who already plead guilty? Ruining the lives off all the underlings while Boss Trump just skates away is at least on brand.
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It’d be great if anyone could link sources on these claims.
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Discendo Vox posted:It’d be great if anyone could link sources on these claims. As the original post stated: there are no sources. There is no named witness, just an "unnamed source."
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Here's the bit of the filing where they talk about qualfiications and inflated pay rate. https://x.com/ASFleischman/status/1744504082893840700?s=20
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Tesseraction posted:As the original post stated: there are no sources. There is no named witness, just an "unnamed source." There should be a source for all these asserted legal ramifications, though- something more specific than random Twitter commentators.
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saintonan posted:If the allegations are true, then the entire Fulton County DA office must recuse. The case falls to the Georgia AG, who may very well drop the case. It doesn't fall to the Georgia AG under current law, but it would fall to the much less equipped to handle the situation Prosecuting Attorney's Council. I think the guy on Twitter was confused about the law. This is from the actual Georgia code: 
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One thing to note is that lawyers are no less prone than other people for thinking they know more than they do and for shooting off big takes without full knowledge of the facts. When you're fighting for your freedom, you're going to argue anything you can. Sometimes certain arguments work. Sometimes they don't. Alleging a prosecutorial conflict of interest, especially with a disqualification law like that Georgia law, is an incredibly common tactic. I don't know what to make of this Andrew Fleischman guy. It sounds like he's an experienced criminal defense attorney (and seems to have that same, marketable disdain for DAs that every criminal defense attorneys I've met have), but that doesn't necessarily make him right. It's their bread and butter to make every DA look bad because it helps them in their jobs. We'll just have to see how this argument plays out in court. Maybe Willis has some dirty laundry due to a messy divorce. According to Wikipedia, she's been divorced since 2005. Who knows what kind of horrible back and forth (which isn't always true) that caused.
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