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cock hero flux posted:there's also this bizarre mentality i've seen in a lot of different places from both developers and players where they will say things like "well if i'm not unlocking content, what is the point of playing?", seemingly unaware of the idea that you would play a game because it is fun Call of Duty 4 has a lot to answer for
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cock hero flux posted:there's also this bizarre mentality i've seen in a lot of different places from both developers and players where they will say things like "well if i'm not unlocking content, what is the point of playing?", seemingly unaware of the idea that you would play a game because it is fun Curse of Engagement
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cock hero flux posted:there's also this bizarre mentality i've seen in a lot of different places from both developers and players where they will say things like "well if i'm not unlocking content, what is the point of playing?", seemingly unaware of the idea that you would play a game because it is fun
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babypolis posted:took me a few tries but heres what worked for me This is a pretty good setup, thanks. I kept poking at Stand Ground but I hadn't thought about putting in Bheith as well, it's a good idea.
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No Wave posted:There are so many ways to do this that aren't placing core game mechanics behind two dozen runs! Yeah, I'd say that if you're crowbarring in metaprogression solely to satisfy lizard brains and not to actually structure your game around it, the best way to do it is to gate run variety(so in the case of skul, more skulls and equipment) behind metaprog. Putting core functionality behind it just feels awful.
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cock hero flux posted:there's also this bizarre mentality i've seen in a lot of different places from both developers and players where they will say things like "well if i'm not unlocking content, what is the point of playing?", seemingly unaware of the idea that you would play a game because it is fun I'm 100 percent guilty of this btw. Playing tiny rogues right now and it's just unlock runs etc. Once I unlock stuff I tend to be able to shift back to normal play but metaprogression drives me.
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Orv posted:This is a pretty good setup, thanks. I kept poking at Stand Ground but I hadn't thought about putting in Bheith as well, it's a good idea. Np, keep in mind I didnt have many unlocks at the time so some stuff is proably less than ideal. Like Reaver as a class is pretty meh, the class that heals based on empty slots seems like a much better fit. And you could try the teleport god instead
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Yeah I'm wired to respond extremely well to metaprogression but even I can tell the difference between the good, fun kind that fuels my inclination to keep playing versus pure filler that exists to artificially extend playtime. And tellingly, good games will keep my attention long after the metaprog dries up.
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Path of Achra got a lore/backstory update: https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2128270/view/3886108111342106068?l=englishquote:0.9.4.6 Feats
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Tiny Rogues pisses me off because the second set of characters all have unlock requirements based on playing the first set of characters, so you have to choose between playing new characters or doing runs to unlock more new characters. It's a good enough game that I'll put up with it but you should not have to choose between doing fun things and getting unlocks.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Path of Achra got a lore/backstory update: https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2128270/view/3886108111342106068?l=english This game oozes cool and is fun and easy to play
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SKULL.GIF posted:Path of Achra got a lore/backstory update: https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2128270/view/3886108111342106068?l=english RIP Geistform, we hardly knew ye new god seems cool, though
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Skul is a cool game that I wish I liked more but it's got three pretty big issues- 1) The metaprogression is entirely a 'ticket to ride' tax where the Skul who is ready to beat the game has maxed out the metaprog tree and is missing major functionality until then. 2) The visual clutter absolutely obscures important details and leads to you soaking up what would be otherwise avoidable hits unless you go out of your way to avoid big flashy skulls, artifacts, quintessenses, and passives. 3). The final boss is less a difficulty spike then a difficulty sheer cliff wall who also is the biggest abuser of 2) by a country mile on top of that. Even if you know his stuff good luck reacting properly to half of it with your and his bullshit masking his extremely limited and undersold tells.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Path of Achra got a lore/backstory update: https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2128270/view/3886108111342106068?l=english Oh nice, I did think it was a little odd that almost all the defensive stats were under Dex.
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Mr. Locke posted:2) The visual clutter absolutely obscures important details and leads to you soaking up what would be otherwise avoidable hits unless you go out of your way to avoid big flashy skulls, artifacts, quintessenses, and passives. My mildly spicy take on action roguelites is 3d games are fundamentally better at this than 2d games - Risk of Rain 2 vs Dead Cells or Hades to pick big successful examples 3d just opens up so much design space and literal space for combat Basically every 2d action roguelite has combat turn into this amorphous mush of enemies stacked on top of each other that you either wholesale obliterate or die to what amounts to an 8 headed hydra in stacked sprite form (Risk of Rain 1 vs 2 shows this in real stark contrast within the same franchise) The downsides are of course 3d is a massively higher barrier of entry, so there's way more good and fun 2d roguelites than 3d ones, and it's still entirely possible to gently caress up in 3d, it doesn't solve everything and introduces its own set of problems, but yeah
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I heard you can alt+F4 to restart boss fights which I'm absolutely going to use because learning boss tells would take an eternity otherwise.victrix posted:My mildly spicy take on action roguelites is 3d games are fundamentally better at this than 2d games - Risk of Rain 2 vs Dead Cells or Hades to pick big successful examples No Wave fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Jan 9, 2024 |
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victrix posted:My mildly spicy take on action roguelites is 3d games are fundamentally better at this than 2d games - Risk of Rain 2 vs Dead Cells or Hades to pick big successful examples I don’t think this is all that spicy, to be fair. I picked up Tiny Rogues because the basic framework of Binding of Isaac has interested me for a long time but I can’t do the aesthetic at all. Tiny Rogues is great but the same reason I don’t really do many shmups comes up here too; once you put enough stuff on screen my brain starts making pathing/movement mistakes really quickly. In a 3D game it makes way more intuitive sense, especially with a good jump.
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Orv posted:Oh nice, I did think it was a little odd that almost all the defensive stats were under Dex. it's a weird hybrid where dex gives you flat defensive stats and str gives you a scaling percentage modifier on your defensive stats(except dodge), so high dex builds tend to be made of paper mache because the flat bonuses can't keep up without scaling modifiers, and high str builds are super dependent on equipment stats to apply the scaling to because they have very low bases. This patch has mitigated this for strength builds by giving them flat armour too but dex builds are still probably "you got hit once and you're so fragile that it killed you through all 3 divine protections" on high cycles.
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Yeah, the chance to just fail a dodge roll is also a big thing. It keeps things interesting but it does lead me to prioritize health a lot.
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Path of Survivors came out today, about $5 Canadian with launch discount. It’s on my wishlist but I don’t remember anything about it? I wish the list let me leave notes to myself.”Store Page” posted:Unlock new heroes and abilities, collect and craft powerful equipment, path the 1000+ nodes passive tree, strategize meta-progression, customized runs, and create game-breaking synergies with 6 active classes and 36 abilities all at once in this roguelite hack and slash survivors bullet heaven game.
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Orv posted:Yeah, the chance to just fail a dodge roll is also a big thing. It keeps things interesting but it does lead me to prioritize health a lot. I've honestly given up on dodge as a defensive stat and just base all of my dex builds around being so fast and so lethal that nothing is allowed to attack me. Block and armour also have a flat 10% chance to just do nothing, which is irritating to me, but unlike dodge you can actually stack both of them super high on the same character, and that character will also have a really big HP pool from strength, so they cover each other's weaknesses and characters relying on them are inherently more likely to live if they both manage to fail.
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Subjunctive posted:Path of Survivors came out today, about $5 Canadian with launch discount. It’s on my wishlist but I don’t remember anything about it? I wish the list let me leave notes to myself. the screenshot of the metaprogression page unironically made me produce an audible fear noise
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Path of survivors is actually an idle game in action roguelike/vs clothes
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cock hero flux posted:the screenshot of the metaprogression page unironically made me produce an audible fear noise “Oh come on it can’t be th- hm, Path of Exile on drugs is certainly a choice.”
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 Who the gently caress actually enjoys these gigantic trees of passive bs that looks like a drat circuit board?
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I used to fuckin' love them when I was on adderall but now not so much
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Deakul posted:
In Path of Exile I learned very quickly how smart the tree was at letting me shape my character. Every point (except the random +10 stat nodes that basically just form a path) feels important. It's organized so that it's much smaller than it looks, all the important stuff you want is close to other stuff you need.
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and many don't even use steam to play it! like me No Wave posted:3D games are also just bad. returnal is the best to do it in 3d ime. Housemarque are fantastic tho and it took them a long time to transition to a 3d game.
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cock hero flux posted:the screenshot of the metaprogression page unironically made me produce an audible fear noise I was expecting this post from Jack Trades, tbqh.
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victrix posted:Basically every 2d action roguelite has combat turn into this amorphous mush of enemies stacked on top of each other that you either wholesale obliterate or die to what amounts to an 8 headed hydra in stacked sprite form (Risk of Rain 1 vs 2 shows this in real stark contrast within the same franchise) Spelunky doesn't have this issue at all. But then, Spelunky doesn't have metaprogression either - it's "just" a well-balanced implementation of true Rogue principles in real time.
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Subjunctive posted:I was expecting this post from Jack Trades, tbqh. In my case it would be a noise of disgust instead.
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gently caress! Dylan just posted about Rift wizard 2. Says there's too much he wants to tidy up and he's targetting March
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Orv posted:I don’t think this is all that spicy, to be fair. I picked up Tiny Rogues because the basic framework of Binding of Isaac has interested me for a long time but I can’t do the aesthetic at all. Tiny Rogues is great but the same reason I don’t really do many shmups comes up here too; once you put enough stuff on screen my brain starts making pathing/movement mistakes really quickly. In a 3D game it makes way more intuitive sense, especially with a good jump.
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LazyMaybe posted:I am personally sensitive to visual clarity issues, but I think many old/oldschool shmups are much better at maintaining visual clarity despite visual busyness than recent actions RLs tend to be. I've posted about this in more detail years ago, and while Tiny Rogues is certainly more clear than the mentioned game it still has clarity issues and I still feel like modern indie devs are frequently making the same mistakes that shmup devs largely solved decades ago. That’s entirely fair. I don’t have a ton of experience with the more classic shmups just due to how my console and arcade access was during those eras, so most of my exposure is more modern takes. I think the biggest problem with things like Tiny Rogues is that they’re happy to layer one tricky to read but mostly okay attack onto another, which makes both of them worse. I admittedly don’t have a wealth of solutions for this beyond “stop that,” so people with more experience would probably do better.
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w00tmonger posted:gently caress! Dylan just posted about Rift wizard 2. Says there's too much he wants to tidy up and he's targetting March I am dead
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Subjunctive posted:I was expecting this post from Jack Trades, tbqh. rude
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LazyMaybe posted:I am personally sensitive to visual clarity issues, but I think many old/oldschool shmups are much better at maintaining visual clarity despite visual busyness than recent actions RLs tend to be. I've posted about this in more detail years ago, and while Tiny Rogues is certainly more clear than the mentioned game it still has clarity issues and I still feel like modern indie devs are frequently making the same mistakes that shmup devs largely solved decades ago. Oh lol, this thread wasn't fond of Neon Abyss either.
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Kanos posted:Yeah, I'd say that if you're crowbarring in metaprogression solely to satisfy lizard brains and not to actually structure your game around it, the best way to do it is to gate run variety(so in the case of skul, more skulls and equipment) behind metaprog. Putting core functionality behind it just feels awful. i like it. the "smoke the whole pack" approach to the cancer that is metaprogression 
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