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CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

StrangersInTheNight posted:

Also, disregarding that America was sliding into fascism was the theme of the day in the mid-00s, I remember trying to tell people that 4chan bothered me and everyone being like lol well a bunch of eternally online weebs are never going to have any real power in anyone's lives and welp

The 00s are full of media trying to warn us, and people reacting to that media by disregarding it, saying it's over-reacting and we're 'beyond those times'.

The only good thing about all this is it's firmly shut the mouths of everyone who claimed people raising the alarm were just overly anxious SJWs, but I'd honestly have rather been wrong.

I don’t know what you mean by 4chan but the fascists that actually have power are all extremely old school players that have existed since before the internet

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Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

Also Dr. Mister Cody was right and I wish I could clip it but on Some More News they mention how American Fascism doesn't look like German Naziism, it's "All-American".



I think that's why everyone here rightly thought the V For Vendetta fascism was so dumb because it just looked like Nazis But In Britainia

mystes
May 31, 2006

I know this is a deep fake of trump but it doesn't even look like trump to me because his facial expressions, mannerisms, and the way he talks are so different. I guess that isn't really an issue with the technology though

kazil
Jul 24, 2005

Derpmph trial star reporter!

A productive day for the GEOTUS






lol closing arguments are Thursday

OMFG FURRY
Jul 10, 2006

[snarky comment]

kazil posted:

A productive day for the GEOTUS






lol closing arguments are Thursday

a lot of things that Completely Innocent people say and do

Pot Smoke Phoenix
Aug 15, 2007



Smoke 'em if you gottem!
Dinosaur Gum
Trump is going to drag down the upper echelon of the worst of the GOP with him and do irreparable damage to their money generating scheme because of all of his insane bullshit.

They’re still gonna be dangerous for a little while but once Trump’s threat is neutralized they’ll start the 180 and the finger pointing and blame shifting will begin in earnest- and it will rain down the lols

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
I hope he hits Trump with 500 million dollars for the fine.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Aramis posted:

It's interesting how, comparatively, leftist commentary making light of what we now see as budding evidence of impending disaster has aged tremendously poorly.

If you told me in 2007 that we'd both be looking wistfully at W. and remembering the Daily Show as milquetoast to a damaging fault, I'd have laughed in your face.

i mean to me it depends. some lib stuff aged badly and other didn't. same with lefty media of the time and now.

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

CharlestheHammer posted:

I don’t know what you mean by 4chan but the fascists that actually have power are all extremely old school players that have existed since before the internet

ofc, but they found a whole new generation of people who want to support them in the alt-right, and if you spent any time in 4chan in the early to mid 00's, it's where the teenage boys went to be radicalized into white supremacy. it was, as they say, the hangout spot. But if you said 'hey maybe having a space where young white kids just post endless racism and violent porn isn't a good thing, when these boys grow up this could be a problem', it would become some sort of free speech absolutist argument and you'd be told you're trying to censor what is very harmless speech that's not hurting anyone. And that atmosphere, that space of 'total freedom away from the forces of PC culture', was formative to a lot of the shitheads who now hold smaller office and will make their way up in their own time in 50 years or so.

do not pretend to be intentionally obtuse about the actual Nazis who appeared in society, which is what we were discussing, and do not pretend this will die with this generation. If that was going to work, it would have already. Hate continues on, it's passed on, it doesn't die with the originators.

StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Jan 9, 2024

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





vaginite posted:

I got into an argument with a (literally) 400 pound guy at work who unironically claimed he could take Holly Holm in an octagon, he'd just grab her. I said even if she just didn't decide to jaw him and immediately end it, he'd never lay a finger on her and gas. He got super offended about it, like I was an idiot for not seeing that he, a morbidly obese man, couldn't beat up a world class trained fighter that was a silly woman.

Some guys are super weird about admitting a woman is better than them at anything.

Anyway RIP to Ryan Dunn :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB5EbhmJsZc

i'd totally forgotten about this clip but even funnier is they're not even fighting in the same weight class. He's got ~80 lbs on her according to random googling. Imagine someone in his weight class striking him in the stomach there.

Hollismason posted:

It's because Trump is siphoning off all of their money from small donations. That's why theyre all going broke.

No, it's because they went WOKE

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

StrangersInTheNight posted:

ofc, but they found a whole new generation of people who want to support them in the alt-right, and if you spent any time in 4chan in the early to mid 00's, it's where the teenage boys went to be radicalized into white supremacy. it was, as they say, the hangout spot. But if you said 'hey maybe having a space where young white kids just post endless racism and violent porn isn't a good thing', it would become some sort of free speech absolutist argument

do not pretend to be intentionally obtuse about the actual Nazis who appeared in society, which is what we were discussing

I mean I’m not your just way to online. 4 channers are irrelevant. Fascism is on the rise for more or less the exact same reasons it rose the first time. Things are getting worse for people and those people are looking for answers.

That and American went so hard on patriotism/nationalism it just naturally makes fascism more appealing because your already half way there

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON
4chan was a symptom of a greater thing going on in society that was poo-pooed as 'being too online', just like you are right now

meanwhile you can absolutely thread a line from 4chan to J6, bc 8chan was a huge part of planing J6. Like, the chans helped plan J6. Do you not get that?

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
Trumps basically a giant vacuum cleaner in regards to small donations and the GOP is feeling it now.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

CharlestheHammer posted:

I mean I’m not your just way to online.

I love when you try to look smart and you start out like this.

mazzi Chart Czar
Sep 24, 2005

Toxic Mental posted:

Also Dr. Mister Cody was right and I wish I could clip it but on Some More News they mention how American Fascism doesn't look like German Naziism, it's "All-American".



I think that's why everyone here rightly thought the V For Vendetta fascism was so dumb because it just looked like Nazis But In Britainia

Trump stiffed them on the bill for their performance in 2016; they tried to sue but still didn't get paid.

They then flipped to Backing Biden in 2020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_Kids

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON
Anyway looks like we're still in for another 50-100 years of this poo poo bc people are still to happy to say 'its just the old people' and not notice their own generation and even the younger generations are carrying these torches

Vampire Panties
Apr 18, 2001
nposter
Nap Ghost

Ringo Star Get posted:

Trump losing in 2024 doesn’t mean its over. The veil has been pulled back and the GOP knows how to energize and sync with a base to get them into office and power. Trump will try again until his dying days, and once he’s gone, there will be another ghoul in his place.

The MAGA crowd demands a leader - they’ve seen how far they can really get with their riots and intimidations in other parts of the country. Someone will lead that crowd, they will be here forever because it took one giant idiot to push “stolen election” and “fake news” forward as excuses for loses rather than actual demographics defeating them and verifiable truths.

The U.S. government is like living in a house where there are no locks on the doors or windows - it’s easy for someone to get in and stay there and make a mess. It’s going to be a constant vigil to keep them out.

Or maybe it goes the other way once Trump is convicted and sent to prison and cries like a dog, or when he passes away, everyone just moves on and the whole MAGA movement passes like a fart in the wind. Who knows! Just go out and loving vote like it’ll be the last time, because it just might.

Good or bad, there won't be another :smugdon: in our lifetimes. I'm certain the GOP would pivot if they can find a :airquote: billionaire :airquote: television celebrity mob boss with grandiose narcissism, but all the others are actually billionaires and dont need the money or the stress. A chud TV star isn't going to cut it - they wont have the money / :airquote: business acumen :airquote:. A regular business billionaire wont do - they dont have any personality/charisma. While it would be a gigantic :lol::lmao: if some rear end in a top hat from Shark Tank became the MAGA figurehead, there is literally nobody who is going to fill Trump's shoes and make MAGA v2

IMO this specific strain of GOPerty dies with Trump; it may only take Trump going to jail. Thats not to say that all the chuds are going to evaporate, or change their views. The more blatant scams and pageantry would mostly die, although there will 100% be true believers, Elvis style, selling Trumpbux or some dumb poo poo. Likely most chuds go back to being :airquote: the silent majority :airquote: and completely disassociate with politics again

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

mazzi Chart Czar posted:

Trump stiffed them on the bill for their performance in 2016; they tried to sue but still didn't get paid.

They then flipped to Backing Biden in 2020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_Kids

i find that funny. all of trumps problems are because he either can't admit a gently caress up and take a lesser hit to save from getting a greater one OR loving people out of cash.

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!
I’ve long felt that the current decline of the American empire is somewhat linked to the deteriorating climate, and the stresses that puts on a society that is wholly run on consumption. The American Dream is not sustainable for the future we’re heading towards, and I think on a subconscious level that leads a lot of people into a desperate quest for a rejection of reality. Trump and his stooges provide that rejection, albeit in a pathetically obvious way. Unfortunately, the fact that Trump can’t bullshit for poo poo doesn’t really matter when people really want to be sold diet bullshit, fake edition.

BrideOfUglycat
Oct 30, 2000

StrangersInTheNight posted:

4chan was a symptom of a greater thing going on in society that was poo-pooed as 'being too online', just like you are right now

I think this was a big part of it. Edgy humor of the 90s and early 00s kind of inured us with the idea that everything we despise is darkly humorous. We didn't realize some people were taking it seriously. "Ha ha, everything you hate is a Nazi" only works as hyperbole until the actual Nazis show up. And now here we are.

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

mazzi Chart Czar posted:

Trump stiffed them on the bill for their performance in 2016; they tried to sue but still didn't get paid.

They then flipped to Backing Biden in 2020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_Kids

Possibly the only recorded instance of someone actually getting grifted by Trump and then realizing they were on the wrong side instead of doubling down and going even deeper into the GriftZone

BigglesSWE posted:

I’ve long felt that the current decline of the American empire is somewhat linked to the deteriorating climate, and the stresses that puts on a society that is wholly run on consumption. The American Dream is not sustainable for the future we’re heading towards, and I think on a subconscious level that leads a lot of people into a desperate quest for a rejection of reality. Trump and his stooges provide that rejection, albeit in a pathetically obvious way. Unfortunately, the fact that Trump can’t bullshit for poo poo doesn’t really matter when people really want to be sold diet bullshit, fake edition.

I probably don't need to tell you this but it's literally 100% because we don't tax anyone with over $1 billion at a 99.9% wealth tax and give them a plaque in the Hall of Capitalism and say congrats, you won the game. Every single one of our problems would be solved if we just "only" let them have $900,000,000.

Toxic Mental fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Jan 9, 2024

beef sweat
Jan 1, 2013

Hollismason posted:

I hope he hits Trump with 500 million dollars for the fine.

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

Aramis posted:

It's interesting how, comparatively, leftist commentary making light of what we now see as budding evidence of impending disaster has aged tremendously poorly.

If you told me in 2007 that we'd both be looking wistfully at W. and remembering the Daily Show as milquetoast to a damaging fault, I'd have laughed in your face.

I think this is an unfair evaluation. What the gently caress was a comedy show supposed to do? It did exactly what it set out to do. This is a post-2016 sentiment that seeks to remove responsibility from ourselves for being the ones who put too much on The Daily Show as a source of news and change, when it was just a cable news show designed to make you laugh and sell ads and and nothing more.

It also serves to ignore that before The Daily Show, there was no one who was taking these potshots. It was considered exhilarating just to finally have someone who wasn't living into the lie, like every other person on TV at the time was.

The failures of The Daily Show are not things it ever promised to change; they are our own failures. They are our regret for hanging the idea of active resistance on a loving tv show produced by Viacom. Yelling at The Daily Show is just a projection of the shame of living through the 00 and early 10s and thinking a smarmy news show was enough to even the playing field.

And at the end of it all, John Stewart still works hard advocating for 9/11 responders, contributing to help people on a community-level, which is more than the people who seek to blame The Daily Show for causing some sort of systemic failure seem to do.

StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Jan 9, 2024

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
Okay here's my actually guess 280 million.

I'm in it for 280 million.

Hollismason fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Jan 9, 2024

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

:siren: Mod challenge time :siren:

Person who guesses closest without going over Trump's fine for his NYC civil trial with the RACIST IG Letitia James gets a gift cert.

People who is closest while going over gets a special one-of-a-kind handmade 6er image courtesy of me.

Hazo
Dec 30, 2004

SCIENCE




Pot Smoke Phoenix
Aug 15, 2007



Smoke 'em if you gottem!
Dinosaur Gum

Toxic Mental posted:

:siren: Mod challenge time :siren:

Person who guesses closest without going over Trump's fine for his NYC civil trial with the RACIST IG Letitia James gets a gift cert.

People who is closest while going over gets a special one-of-a-kind handmade 6er image courtesy of me.

$375 million

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Toxic Mental posted:

Also Dr. Mister Cody was right and I wish I could clip it but on Some More News they mention how American Fascism doesn't look like German Naziism, it's "All-American".

It's a well-known quote (though the attribution is tricky)

https://twitter.com/sarahchurchwell/status/1267725712271781888?t=NFD4_PDP0_X3zhy2Z4OmTg&s=19


$375,000,001

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

$220 million for me btw

kazil
Jul 24, 2005

Derpmph trial star reporter!

Toxic Mental posted:

:siren: Mod challenge time :siren:

Person who guesses closest without going over Trump's fine for his NYC civil trial with the RACIST IG Letitia James gets a gift cert.

People who is closest while going over gets a special one-of-a-kind handmade 6er image courtesy of me.

$1Trillion

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

Also I'm making an excel spreadsheet for this so get your asses to SAD and start making the draft of ur ragepost

Vire
Nov 4, 2005

Like a Bosh

Toxic Mental posted:

:siren: Mod challenge time :siren:

Person who guesses closest without going over Trump's fine for his NYC civil trial with the RACIST IG Letitia James gets a gift cert.

People who is closest while going over gets a special one-of-a-kind handmade 6er image courtesy of me.

$350 million

Grey Cat
Jun 3, 2023

Doing stuff and things


Toxic Mental posted:

:siren: Mod challenge time :siren:

Person who guesses closest without going over Trump's fine for his NYC civil trial with the RACIST IG Letitia James gets a gift cert.

People who is closest while going over gets a special one-of-a-kind handmade 6er image courtesy of me.

420million and .69 cents

BigBallChunkyTime
Nov 25, 2011

Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.

Illegal Hen

Toxic Mental posted:

:siren: Mod challenge time :siren:

Person who guesses closest without going over Trump's fine for his NYC civil trial with the RACIST IG Letitia James gets a gift cert.

People who is closest while going over gets a special one-of-a-kind handmade 6er image courtesy of me.

$125,000

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Toxic Mental posted:

:siren: Mod challenge time :siren:

Person who guesses closest without going over Trump's fine for his NYC civil trial with the RACIST IG Letitia James gets a gift cert.

People who is closest while going over gets a special one-of-a-kind handmade 6er image courtesy of me.

One dollar, Bob.

Aramis
Sep 22, 2009



StrangersInTheNight posted:

I think this is an unfair evaluation. What the gently caress was a comedy show supposed to do? It did exactly what it set out to do. This is a post-2016 sentiment that seeks to remove responsibility from ourselves for being the ones who put too much on The Daily Show as a source of news and change, when it was just a cable news show designed to make you laugh and sell ads and and nothing more.

It also serves to ignore that before The Daily Show, there was no one who was taking these potshots. It was considered exhilarating just to finally have someone who wasn't living into the lie, like every other person on TV at the time was.

The failures of The Daily Show are not things it ever promised to change; they are our own failures. They are our regret for hanging the idea of active resistance on a loving tv show produced by Viacom.

And at the end of it all, John Stewart still works hard advocating for 9/11 responders, contributing to help people on a community-level, which is more than the people who seek to blame The Daily Show for causing some sort of systemic failure seem to do.

I tend to agree with you in general. I don't actually begrudge the show itself, especially in context. It's all hindsight stuff.

However, The Rally to Restore Sanity was always incredibly misguided wishful thinking from day one.

edit:

$12M.

jet sanchEz
Oct 24, 2001

Lousy Manipulative Dog
$425 million

OMFG FURRY
Jul 10, 2006

[snarky comment]

Toxic Mental posted:

:siren: Mod challenge time :siren:

Person who guesses closest without going over Trump's fine for his NYC civil trial with the RACIST IG Letitia James gets a gift cert.

People who is closest while going over gets a special one-of-a-kind handmade 6er image courtesy of me.

350 million

Vire posted:

$350 million



gently caress

e: 380m

OMFG FURRY fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Jan 9, 2024

Sydney Bottocks
Oct 15, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 41 minutes!
$14.88 million

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Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT

StrangersInTheNight posted:

Anyway looks like we're still in for another 50-100 years of this poo poo bc people are still to happy to say 'its just the old people' and not notice their own generation and even the younger generations are carrying these torches

We saw them carry literal torches. That they purchased at Walmart.

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