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Southern Cassowary posted:i pretty much wait for people who aren't on team isekai to say if an isekai is good That's because it's the same tropes
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Waffleman_ posted:That's because it's the same tropes sometimes yeah other times they just have bad production value, are leaning too hard on edginess when they don't have the writing chops to back that up, or both
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Waffleman_ posted:That's because it's the same tropes At one point people were using the term “native isekai” for those kinds of series, but the oxymoronic nature of the term provoked a backlash. Not sure what a better term is. Dorakue fantasy? In general, if the setting has video game mechanics and/or capital-H Heroes and Demon Kings, it’s garbage. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Jan 10, 2024 |
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bad fantasy has always existed so i dont see a need to differentiate it
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There's narou-kei which should cover most of that stuff, though I'm sure it's not a style exclusive to a singular publishing platform like Syosetsu ni Narou anymore.
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The Colonel posted:bad fantasy has always existed so i dont see a need to differentiate it It’s a particular kind of bad fantasy, though. Older Western “Extruded Fantasy Product” of the Sword of Shannara sort doesn’t have video game mechanics, and while it basically has Heroes and Demon Kings, it lacks the obnoxious pseudo-self-awareness implied by using those specific terms. And of course the gross male sexual fantasy elements were generally less present in Extruded Fantasy Product. (They were present in the kind of bad fantasy that’s imitating Howard rather than Tolkien, but that’s yet another subgenre.) Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Jan 10, 2024 |
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New season must be bad if we're already at the 'litigating what counts as an isekai' part of the thread.
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On that note ..... Doctor Elise: The Royal Lady with the Lamp episode 1: this series merges several different isekai genres: the main character starts out as an Empress in a generic 18th century European country but gets executed for being lovely and she gets isekai'ed (reverse isekai'ed??) into modern day Japan where she decides to live a virtuous life and becomes a top level surgeon, then she gets re-isekai'ed back into her original life but also has a time skip to an earlier time before she went down the path that lead to her fall from grace. It's pretty much a combo of "reborn into a different/past era" isekai plus "using modern knowledge in a world without modern technology" isekai. Episode one pretty much covers everything up to the point where she wakes up after getting re-isekai'ed so it's pretty much just an intro chapter before the actual story starts.
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Sakurazuka posted:New season must be bad if we're already at the 'litigating what counts as an isekai' part of the thread. Metallic Rouge isn't out yet & we're all getting antsy
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Silver2195 posted:It’s a particular kind of bad fantasy, though. Older Western “Extruded Fantasy Product” of the Sword of Shannara sort doesn’t have video game mechanics, and while it basically has Heroes and Demon Kings, it lacks the obnoxious pseudo-self-awareness implied by using those specific terms. Sword of Shannara was shamelessly derivative, if Terry Brooks had been aware of the RPG stereotypes we see in lovely fantasy animes I'm sure he would have used them. 
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Pretty sure Shannara started out as literal LotR fanfiction
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Season will be good once Monday rolls around https://twitter.com/NetflixAnime/status/1744418691981177214?s=20
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Silver2195 posted:In general, if the setting has video game mechanics and/or capital-H Heroes and Demon Kings, it’s garbage. yeah, like frieren 
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gonna check out villainess lv99
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Sakurazuka posted:New season must be bad if we're already at the 'litigating what counts as an isekai' part of the thread. theres almost always this little window between week 1 and week 2 where all the isekai shows have already aired but most of the interesting shows havent yet
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speaking of good fantasy the first ep of sengoku youko was cool. the world they're setting up is fun and i really liked the off-kilter vibe of everything. absolutely in for more of this.
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symbolic posted:Metallic Rouge isn't out yet & we're all getting antsy i willed it into existence. praise be
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symbolic posted:i willed it into existence. praise be thought we had another hour, is it up
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symbolic posted:Metallic Rouge isn't out yet & we're all getting antsy yup
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Southern Cassowary posted:thought we had another hour, is it up if you know where to look for it
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GateOfD posted:gonna check out villainess lv99 Maybe wait until episode 2 airs, episode 1 is pretty much just an intro and doesn't really get into the story or character interactions
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Oh hallelujah, a Mizukami anime that actually looks pretty good!
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double 1st episodes an hour long would be just be the norm.
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Mordja posted:Oh hallelujah, a Mizukami anime that actually looks pretty good! Planet With was good. But yeah  Lucifer & Biscuit Hammer 
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unsurprisingly, metallic rouge seems great
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it was fun, that imagine dragons rear end insert song is bad though, thats my only real complaint
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Tales of Woe posted:it was fun, that imagine dragons rear end insert song is bad though, thats my only real complaint it ruled actually, and i despise ID
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Julias posted:Planet With was good. Helck was also pretty rough in places as was S1 of Faraway Paladin. We'll likely add Medalist to the list as well.
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i'm ambivalent - the song is eh but it's a vibe that works for the show
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Silver2195 posted:At one point people were using the term “native isekai” for those kinds of series, but the oxymoronic nature of the term provoked a backlash. Not sure what a better term is. Dorakue fantasy? Just call it Dragon Quest fantasy. Over half the time, that's literally and precisely what it is.
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Villainess lv99 was fun for just the basic setup. I like the deadpan-ness of the MC
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i'm a fan of the term video game bullshit both in general and in reference to storytelling from fantasy web novels and the like that borrows a little too liberally from RPGs
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metallic rouge's a show that would have come out in 2007 and if somebody mentioned the title in 2024 you'd go, i watched that, i think.
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Parallax posted:metallic rouge's a show that would have come out in 2007 and if somebody mentioned the title in 2024 you'd go, i watched that, i think. Innocent Venus 
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i watched kurau phantom memory recently and that show is pretty dull sadly. bones not infallible at this type of thing. this one already seems more fun though
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Parallax posted:metallic rouge's a show that would have come out in 2007 and if somebody mentioned the title in 2024 you'd go, i watched that, i think. I went and looked at what aired in 2007, to figure out what that would be for me, and I think I actually have pretty strong memories of almost everything I watched from that year? I mean, not necessarily good memories, but strong ones. Closest is probably Bamboo Blade? Heroic Age technically the better fit, but that one was so boring I don't think I finished.
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OnimaruXLR posted:i'm a fan of the term video game bullshit LitRPG is what the genre's typically called when it starts throwing stats and UIs in otherwise typical fantasy. Idk what to call it for Manga or anime.
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Xelkelvos posted:LitRPG is what the genre's typically called when it starts throwing stats and UIs in otherwise typical fantasy. Idk what to call it for Manga or anime. Garbage
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KOGAHAZAN!! posted:I went and looked at what aired in 2007, to figure out what that would be for me, and I think I actually have pretty strong memories of almost everything I watched from that year? I mean, not necessarily good memories, but strong ones. Sisters of Wellber is probably the closest style-wise, in addition to being on the "I'm not actually sure if I watched it" bubble.
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