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Forrest on Fire posted:Pete's worst move was Jamaal Adams right? Their drafts have been pretty solid and most of their biggest names are off the books next year. They can save $16m in space if they cut Adams in his last year and they've got a lot of premium positions locked up on rookie deals including LT and CB. Jamal Adams played well enough his first season in Seattle that he got locked up long term. The games he was out to injury that season there was a noticeable difference in how Seattle's defense played. It was just after he got his deal that he just sort of... stopped playing like he used to. Geno's contract is also written in a way that is supposed to be team friendly, in that a lot of what he makes is based on his playing time, so he's betting against himself. He actually has a pretty significant cap savings if he's cut. On the WR front, Lockett is clearly the odd guy out. He's diminished significantly from his previous years  his cap savings is much higher if he's cut compared to DK. I know lot of Seahawks fans hate DK because he gets hot headed and causes stupid penalties, but it's part of his game and he's still an insane athlete. Plus you only save $1.5M if he's cut. These are simple GM moves that any competent GM can figure out, nothing like anything New Orleans has faced.
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Master Stur posted:He went 7-9 twice then 0-5 to end his falcons tenure though. I guess of all possible retreads you could do worse but I feel like his HC success was due largely to Kyle being the OC there. Nothing about him really screams hot commodity as an HC IMO rather than just being one of them guys who should stay a good to great DC I don't disagree, I'm just saying for people who aren't us he seems like a solid stable option who had a lot of success and then just sort of fumbled it at the end there. seiferguy posted:Jamal Adams played well enough his first season in Seattle that he got locked up long term. The games he was out to injury that season there was a noticeable difference in how Seattle's defense played. It was just after he got his deal that he just sort of... stopped playing like he used to. Dont cut any of the WRs, you can absolutely trade those dudes.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Dont cut any of the WRs, you can absolutely trade those dudes. DK I can see an easy trade target. Lockett I'm unsure on being he's a shadow of his former self. But then again, late career Julio Jones was traded, so anything is possible (Julio is/was also better than Lockett though)
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seiferguy posted:Jamal Adams played well enough his first season in Seattle that he got locked up long term. The games he was out to injury that season there was a noticeable difference in how Seattle's defense played. It was just after he got his deal that he just sort of... stopped playing like he used to. The price they gave up for a box safety, even if he's playing well, was always ridiculous.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Dont cut any of the WRs, you can absolutely trade those dudes. Yeah, Lockett especially is the perfect blend of too old to keep around for a rebuild/still good enough to get reasonable value in a trade. Maybe they can't get back the second they spent on Williams, but I don't think a third would be unreasonable.
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Titans have requests in with a ton of guys I’m not interested in so far. Aaron Glenn, Antonio pierce, mike Kafka, mike Macdonald. Also have requests in with frank smith and Brian Callahan, both cool with me. Would be cool to hire an offense guy so we don’t have to go through the constant rigamarole of having to replace our OC like under vrabel
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Mike Vrabel is not part of the Belichick tree. Yeah, he was drafted by Cowher OneMoreTime posted:NFC's Mike Tomlin got sort of fired, real Mike Tomlin watch out Rumors are Tomlin may take a coaching break, but the Steelers will never fire him. Especially after the last 3 games coming on the heels of a near total meltdown.
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Forrest on Fire posted:Pete's worst move was Jamaal Adams right? Their drafts have been pretty solid and most of their biggest names are off the books next year. They can save $16m in space if they cut Adams in his last year and they've got a lot of premium positions locked up on rookie deals including LT and CB. Pete has made tons of bad moves. A lot, trades and contracts. I’ll do an effort post on it later but for a teaser please remember Percy Harvin and Jimmy Graham lol
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mcmagic posted:The price they gave up for a box safety, even if he's playing well, was always ridiculous. He lead the team in sacks the first year which makes me chuckle. 3 more than the next closest guy! They paid him a bunch of money to basically be a run stopping blitz guy. Then he fell apart and couldn’t even do that.
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General Dog posted:I don’t hate the idea of Jim Harbaugh to Seattle or Pete to Michigan. There’s no chance Harbaugh goes to Seattle with Pete Carroll hanging around in an oversight role.
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General Dog posted:I don’t hate the idea of Jim Harbaugh to Seattle or Pete to Michigan. Pete's wayyy too old to go anywhere and if he's in the advisor role at Seattle they won't hire Harbs bc those two do not like each other.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Pete has made tons of bad moves. A lot, trades and contracts. Yep! He absolutely has and as a Cardinals fan I've enjoyed Seattle rake step their way out of being the class of the NFC. The roster, despite that, is pretty solid and young at key positions.
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Master Stur posted:He went 7-9 twice then 0-5 to end his falcons tenure though. I guess of all possible retreads you could do worse but I feel like his HC success was due largely to Kyle being the OC there. Nothing about him really screams hot commodity as an HC IMO rather than just being one of them guys who should stay a good to great DC
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Black Lighter posted:Yeah, Lockett especially is the perfect blend of too old to keep around for a rebuild/still good enough to get reasonable value in a trade. Maybe they can't get back the second they spent on Williams, but I don't think a third would be unreasonable. I don't want to spend a third on Lockett anymore, but at the same time I'd take him right now for the Chiefs. He has a track record of at least not embarrassing himself. Relentlessboredomm posted:Pete's wayyy too old to go anywhere and if he's in the advisor role at Seattle they won't hire Harbs bc those two do not like each other. Have you considered Michigan really likes their old people? Obviously not happening but that's the place where you could imagine it happens. Old rear end Pete might be too fun for them though.
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I know everyone is rightly talking about the hot big news, but I just wanted to take a quick second to respond to my yes man sirianni hot take. The reason it'd be different this time and not just another yes man hire is because his initial hire was a crime of passion immediately after the headbutting with pederson and lurie/howie have seen the results of hiring a nobody that doesn't bring anything to the table in the worst collapse in franchise history. So that is why they need to loving fire him now before the bucs game so we can start getting to work on one of the many great candidates this offseason instead of keeping this terd for another season. Hell, make patricia the interim head coach for the playoff game, it'd be funny. Of course leave him in tampa afterwards.
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What if Seattle is after a different Pete acolyte? Steve Sarkisian Asproigerosis posted:I know everyone is rightly talking about the hot big news, but I just wanted to take a quick second to respond to my yes man sirianni hot take. The reason it'd be different this time and not just another yes man hire is because his initial hire was a crime of passion immediately after the headbutting with pederson and lurie/howie have seen the results of hiring a nobody that doesn't bring anything to the table in the worst collapse in franchise history. So that is why they need to loving fire him now before the bucs game so we can start getting to work on one of the many great candidates this offseason instead of keeping this terd for another season. Hell, make patricia the interim head coach for the playoff game, it'd be funny. Of course leave him in tampa afterwards. I approve of this message.
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Pete would make a good Michigan Man for sure he can live in Holland with the rest of the retirees who go to bed at 9pm
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Pete has made tons of bad moves. A lot, trades and contracts. oh my god you've been bitching about that second rounder nonstop for weeks just sit back and enjoy yourself, you got what you wanted. we haven't been on the head coach carousel for ages, I guess it's been too long since people saw how bad things can get
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Losing a mid-second round pick is not a franchise backbreaking move in the slightest lmao. As someone who watches the Seattle Mariners, I can appreciate a front office that makes risky moves to acquire players mid-season to make a run instead of "but think of our draft  " and it not working out. Anyway, probably some of the things I'll miss about Pete: - Dude ruled at taking other teams' unused players and UDFAs and turning them into excellent dudes. Marshawn Lynch, Cliff Avril, Michael Bennett, Quandre Diggs are examples of getting dudes other teams didnt' want and being huge contributors. Then we had Doug Baldwin, Poona Ford, George Fant, etc. in terms of UDFAs that were starters. - He was loved by the locker room for the most part. You hear about coaches being military sergeants, he wasn't that guy. He let players be themselves for the most part, which is in general why it seemed to me like the Seahawks locker room had some of the more wild stories come out. - Somehow always managed to win games. Christ so many come from behind victories that killed my heart. What I will not miss: - The penalties. His teams were always the most undisciplined. Top 5 in penalties this year, and that was a trend most of his tenure. - Costly timeouts / challenges. I think the timeout issue was more a problem of Russell Wilson since that became an issue getting playcalls out when he was at Denver, but team often went into the last drive missing timeouts they had to burn. He also was bad at challenges (which, apparently he was fine losing challenges on easy calls, and would use it as a defacto timeout). - The conspiracy theories. He never came out and said it, it was all behind the scenes stuff. His time was coming up. Younger coaches were figuring him out. Sean McVay could beat him with a half-decimated roster.
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The Pete Carroll one is interesting, because it definitely doesn't feel like the typical You're Fired this thread gets. I can't remember the last time an NFL head coach has felt like they're just stepping out peacefully instead of being thrown out when it all goes to poo poo.seiferguy posted:His time was coming up. Younger coaches were figuring him out. Sean McVay could beat him with a half-decimated roster. Also his most interesting trait -- Scorigami mastery. Carroll both put together more scorigami games than any head coach in NFL history and, to my knowledge, won every single one of them. If Carroll could get the game to a score that had never existed before it was gonna be a win every time.
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seiferguy posted:
Yeah, this on balance is probably how I feel about it. I didn't mind taking swings on players, but things had gotten stagnant schematically. Everything ends sometime, but I'll still mourn when it happens. What a hell of a run. Aside from a single year of Jim Mora Jr in 2008, the Seahawks have had either Pete or Holmgren as their coach since 1999. We're not used to coaching uncertainty, and if the org doesn't have a better plan than Dan Quinn then I suppose we'd better get acquainted with the carousel.
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Redeye Flight posted:The Pete Carroll one is interesting, because it definitely doesn't feel like the typical You're Fired this thread gets. I can't remember the last time an NFL head coach has felt like they're just stepping out peacefully instead of being thrown out when it all goes to poo poo. Arians stepped down and stayed on in an advisory role. I think he lost a power struggle with Brady or got sick of the bullshit but either way it was pretty peaceful.
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Pete Carroll was fun but I agree wholeheartedly with this: https://twitter.com/coachvass/status/1718020936912294027?s=46&t=4v69OlVJpK1h7pgGOGqqoA It’s not his fault per se, but this is a lot of the offensive explosion over the past decade
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TBH I'm surprised that so many people are surprised that Carroll is out. I feel like there was chatter here and there the entire season about the game passing him by, and how he was going to gracefully walk away from coaching after this season, and now...that's exactly what's happening? Did I imagine all of those posts?
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Not NFL, but now Saban is out. Do these things come in 3s? Bill Belichick, come on down?
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shirts and skins posted:Not NFL, but now Saban is out. Do these things come in 3s? Bill Belichick, come on down? When's Bill's birthday? Saban and Carroll are 72, Bill's 71
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Pete Carroll was basically allowed a press conference on the Seahawks behalf so this sounds like as amicable of an exit as possible.
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Redeye Flight posted:The Pete Carroll one is interesting, because it definitely doesn't feel like the typical You're Fired this thread gets. I can't remember the last time an NFL head coach has felt like they're just stepping out peacefully instead of being thrown out when it all goes to poo poo. Trolling through Wikipedia, a surprising number of good coaches retired on their own terms. Holmgren, Dungey, Cowher, Gibbs, Parcells. I thought there would be a lot more control freaks holding onto the job for dear life even when it was clear the ride was over.
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shirts and skins posted:Not NFL, but now Saban is out. Do these things come in 3s? Bill Belichick, come on down? poo poo I hadn't been following the college thread/news to avoid Michigan trolling and/or Michigan posting in either direction. This is a rather large happening to say the least, kinda late in the coaching cycle for Bama.
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