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Moktaro posted:Donald Trump is a piece of poo poo.
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beer_war posted:https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-vow-never-help-europe-attack-thierry-breton/ I haven't read the article but I agree with the URL that Europe should not (militarily, I assume) attack Thierry Breton and the US shouldn't help them do it.
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Jan 10, 2024 21:30
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The_Franz posted:Putin's "dictator looks at things" energy is still far behind the current reigning champion: the late Kim Jong Il: "What the HELL is this?!"
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Jan 10, 2024 21:34
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beer_war posted:https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-vow-never-help-europe-attack-thierry-breton/ So the US sucks and all, but once again I am struck that European leaders/populace don't seem to be freaking out sufficiently to match the risk they seem to be under. Am I misreading the situation?
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Jan 10, 2024 21:36
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Bone Crimes posted:So the US sucks and all, but once again I am struck that European leaders/populace don't seem to be freaking out sufficiently to match the risk they seem to be under. Am I misreading the situation? EU without US or UK is still an entity with a nuclear arsenal because of the French, and has more than enough gear to stop Russia if that is the best they can do. Russia is a belligerent rear end in a top hat, but surely not suicidal enough to attack someone who has nukes.
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Jan 10, 2024 21:43
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The real lesson to be learned, if nothing else, is that if you have nuclear weapons, never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever forfeit or neutralize them.
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Jan 10, 2024 21:48
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Der Kyhe posted:EU without US or UK is still an entity with a nuclear arsenal because of the French, and has more than enough gear to stop Russia if that is the best they can do. Our leaders are a bunch of wimps afraid of their own shadow. Scholz still hasn't signed off on giving some Taurus missiles to Ukraine, would he luanch them at Moscow?
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Jan 10, 2024 21:49
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Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:poo poo I plan to live to 100 too, what did he do wrong?
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Jan 10, 2024 22:03
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1745030983001510168?s=20 The same thing lowtax saw.
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Jan 10, 2024 22:10
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For what it's worth, the US recently passed a law barring any future president from unilaterally leaving NATO. https://thehill.com/homenews/4360407-congress-approves-bill-barring-president-withdrawing-nato/
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Jan 10, 2024 22:10
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Grammarchist posted:For what it's worth, the US recently passed a law barring any future president from unilaterally leaving NATO. Neato.
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Jan 10, 2024 22:12
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Trump could have been Gravylord NATO
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Jan 10, 2024 22:13
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Grammarchist posted:For what it's worth, the US recently passed a law barring any future president from unilaterally leaving NATO. Yeah but the presidetn can still just... refuse to do anything.
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Jan 10, 2024 22:14
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Grammarchist posted:For what it's worth, the US recently passed a law barring any future president from unilaterally leaving NATO. Trump doesn't have to leave leave NATO if he makes clear he won't stand by America's allies.
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Jan 10, 2024 22:15
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I guess it also depends on what you mean by “freak out”. If you mean freaking out in a traditional sense then that’s perhaps never a constructive strategy, plus right now we must show strength. But if you mean revving up the war/defense industry to make up for US potentially being missing then that’s certainly not being done as fast as it could be done, but there “are talks and discussions” etc.
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Jan 10, 2024 22:15
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When was the last time Estonia did anything for TRUMP? Exactly.
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Jan 10, 2024 22:17
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Der Kyhe posted:EU without US or UK is still an entity with a nuclear arsenal because of the French, and has more than enough gear to stop Russia if that is the best they can do. this is exactly the attitude putin is counting on my man, have you looked at the map recently? how many nukes does finland have? what about estonia, latvia, lithuania, poland, slovakia, romania? what about norway and sweden? denmark?
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Jan 10, 2024 22:31
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We would (maybe) have had nukes if people hadn't gotten a bee in their bonnet about this "proliferation" thing in the 60s. 
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Jan 10, 2024 22:43
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Der Kyhe posted:EU without US or UK is still an entity with a nuclear arsenal because of the French, and has more than enough gear to stop Russia if that is the best they can do. As things currently stand, eastern Europe is hosed without the U.S. The only thing keeping them safe is Russian corruption destroying their military power. France may have nukes, but they won't start a nuclear war over Estonia. Not in a million years. They like to talk big about EU strategic independence and imagine themselves leaders in this space, but they've so far provided less material support to Ukraine than the Netherlands has, with a quarter of France's population. Germans are feckless assholes, they won't lift a finger.
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Jan 10, 2024 22:49
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I thought the point of nukes was deterrence, yet Ukraine dare fight back???
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Jan 10, 2024 22:57
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France doesn't care about the EU's strategic independence. They care about France's strategic independence. If it comes down to sacrificing Eastern Europe so be it. And Russia will find a way to frame it in those terms.
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Jan 10, 2024 22:59
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Ehh Poland isn't a push over and has more gear than Ukraine
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Jan 10, 2024 23:34
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3D Megadoodoo posted:At lunchtime they fill the space between tables with ravioli. I'm a few pages behind, but this was funny.
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Jan 10, 2024 23:42
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Dog on Fire posted:I guess it also depends on what you mean by “freak out”. If you mean freaking out in a traditional sense then that’s perhaps never a constructive strategy, plus right now we must show strength. its this one: Dog on Fire posted:But if you mean revving up the war/defense industry And also the lack of showing strength a bit. At this point, I think we should be seeing stronger rhetoric/support from say Germany and it doesn't always need to be framed in terms of support for Ukraine, but could just be a more powerful checking of Russian shenanigans. It still feels that there is an eager anticipation for things, even now, to go back to pre-invasion relationships. I don't see everything tho, so maybe I'm missing it. I guess I'm thinking if the UK goes bankrupt or something & France's leadership changes, would things be super clear if little green men started showing up places? IDK I guess it being 2024, I can envision lots of things that would be black swans 10 years ago, but now are just everyday things.
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Jan 10, 2024 23:43
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To paraphrase the Yes Minister sketch with modern names: When an elected conservative government in Romania declares a state of emergency to deal with a total loss of telecoms and power infrastructure, does France launch nukes? When friendly Orban commits firefighters and then police to help restore order, does France launch nukes? When Russian security advisors (lmao maybe not) are invited to assist with a shocking upsurge in ethnic tension and separatism, does France launch nukes?
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Jan 11, 2024 00:08
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Salami tactics. Slice by slice. Are we really willing to start a nuclear war over an uninhabited slice of frozen Finnish swamp? How about one with a small village in it? We'll get to evacuate it beforehand. Or rather, the Russians will berate our irrisponsibility for not evacuating before they shelled the villagers. We need to be clear where the line is. Or so vague the Russians won't dare risk it. Let them poo poo BRICCS.
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Jan 11, 2024 01:24
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEWmqmzPDzc lol what
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Jan 11, 2024 01:28
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'I am high as poo poo'
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Jan 11, 2024 01:40
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If I remember right France has been super vague about their position on what slice counts, and also very open that they will do a one-time nuclear 'warning shot' on a military target to remind you that they do have nukes. So their policy is very much 'gently caress around and find out'.Strategic Tea posted:To paraphrase the Yes Minister sketch with modern names:
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Jan 11, 2024 02:04
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nm, convo moved on
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Jan 11, 2024 04:26
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beer_war posted:https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-vow-never-help-europe-attack-thierry-breton/ You depend on the US for your very existence. 
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Jan 11, 2024 05:11
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Maybe Europe should hire Trump to do some deals?
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Jan 11, 2024 05:15
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Ronwayne posted:nm, convo moved on biliberries chat never dies!
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Jan 11, 2024 08:08
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The Top G posted:You depend on the US for your very existence. America relies on this nonsense that people "beleive" to shovel stacks into the M.I.C, we have our own M.I.C, yet we also have socialised healthcare. I fail to see the "Own" you are trying to get here.
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Jan 11, 2024 08:40
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staberind posted:America relies on this nonsense that people "beleive" to shovel stacks into the M.I.C, we have our own M.I.C, yet we also have socialised healthcare. I fail to see the "Own" you are trying to get here. you are responding to the top g
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Jan 11, 2024 08:41
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Well, got my DNA test back. I’m 74 percent Polish and Ukrainian and 3 percent Jewish. My family settled in Manitoba Canada after fleeing Ukraine. My Polish-Jewish side fled Poland before the Nazis annexed it. I hate Putin so much right now.
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Jan 11, 2024 12:43
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tango alpha delta posted:Well, got my DNA test back. Congrats, I've sent you your free sample of salo and horilka.
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Jan 11, 2024 12:46
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https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1745400617839792363#m
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Jan 11, 2024 13:20
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tango alpha delta posted:Well, got my DNA test back. But you wouldn't have been born if this exact course of history hadn't taken place. So in your particular(!) case the imminent Nazi annexation was a... Good? Thing? "Never would I have thought I'd say this one day, but..."
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Jan 11, 2024 13:27
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You're actually 74% Polish and Russian. The The Ukrainian DNA doesn't exist and you have just been brainwashed by decadent nazi western propaganda into forgetting your real Russian heritage
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