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Revanchism doesn't need a geopolitical, economic, or strategic reason. It just involves the big boss looking at a map which has something they think is theirs not under their control. Just look at Putin's motivations in Ukraine.
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I'd always thought that the leadership viewed any potential giving in to Taiwan's (potential) claims of sovereignty as a slippery slope that would inevitably lead to the loss of all disputed territories, and if you lose Tibet then it's game over. https://harvardpolitics.com/china-water-policy/
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yaffle posted:I'd always thought that the leadership viewed any potential giving in to Taiwan's (potential) claims of sovereignty as a slippery slope that would inevitably lead to the loss of all disputed territories, and if you lose Tibet then it's game over. This is ascribing a bit more rationality to it than is warranted
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iirc taiwan would be a tremendous naval asset. the PLA Navy is pretty boxed in as it is between korea, japan, and the phillipines. and while the days of the navy being one of the biggest tools in the "diplomacy" toolbox are behind us, it's still a big fuckin deal to be able to do the international relations equivalent of brandishing
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Honestly Taiwan would be smart to just stay mum and wait for a chance when the CCP is experiencing historic weakness in the form of some kind of massive government overhaul or upending completely.
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nah i'd be surprised if taiwan ever declares independence. the PRC is (it seems to me, a layperson and dumbass) the only one with potential motivations to break the status quo. from taiwan's perspective they can keep on trucking forever like this
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Tencent Limits Minors to 16 Hours Gaming During Spring Festival Breakquote:From Jan. 22 to Feb. 24, which includes the eight days of this year’s Spring Festival, users under 18 years old are only permitted to log into Tencent video games between 8 p.m. to 9 p.m. every Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and the public holidays, and play for a total of 16 hours, the company announced on Tuesday. lol
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Cactus Ghost posted:nah i'd be surprised if taiwan ever declares independence. the PRC is (it seems to me, a layperson and dumbass) the only one with potential motivations to break the status quo. from taiwan's perspective they can keep on trucking forever like this One China policy... but which is the "One" true China???  We might never tell you....~~~
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Toxic Mental posted:One China policy... but which is the "One" true China??? that is the explicit point of the 1 china policy. designed and imagined in exactly that way. thats not a joke about the policy so much as it is a restatement with an emoticon
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It's actually kind of genius "There's one China here, and one China here, 12 monkeys over here, 12 monkeys over there" 
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per second
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Shumagorath posted:That’s per day, right? Yeah it’s frankly ridiculous
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Big rear end On Fire posted:CCP is in a tough spot. As attitudes shift away from we are part of China to we are Taiwan they increasingly only have a violence option. Their best possible bet today is to woo the people and the government to somehow want to become China. Maybe that's laughable today. Any violent outcomes are pretty grim to imagine. True. However, it's fundamentally against the nature of totalitarian states to "woo" anyone. It's simply not a tool in their playbook. It's either violence, coercion, or other threats.
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Toxic Mental posted:Honestly Taiwan would be smart to just stay mum and wait for a chance when the CCP is experiencing historic weakness in the form of some kind of massive government overhaul or upending completely. The day Xi dies.
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My in-laws officially are on the run due to crackdowns on banks and real estate deals. On the one hand, I love to see an anti-corruption campaign. And the deals they made were indeed corrupt (though due to top-down pressure from heads of banks, mostly). On the other hand, people getting sentenced to 13+ years in prison and being tortured while in detention because they're incompetent more than corrupt, is a little... rough. Also stressful trying to encourage people to apply for asylum when they're too proud and stubborn to realize that asylum is their only option. And trying to keep up with new disposable phones for communications and teach people how to use literally anything but WeChat to communicate.
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absurd personal problem comedy value in this thread, man
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On the run from the CCP and using WeChat to communicate is a lol.
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McGavin posted:On the run from the CCP and using WeChat to communicate is a lol. Man getting a new phone with an Australian SIM card and the first thing you do is download WeChat is just...  EDIT: I told them to download and use Signal as that's what we use for organizing protests and direct actions and they were like, "That sounds like overkill don'tcha think?"
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Maybe the reliance on a big government, this acceptance of centralized power into their lives as a good or accepted thing is so ingrained in folks when the worm turns on them they don't see how pervasive of a threat it is. Or people are just idiots.
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Watching this whole property collapse thing is wild to see play out. While not a fan of the government, I thought that they would of had their finger on the pulse a lot better than this in regards to letting banks writing blank cheques for real estate companies and mortgages. Considering 2008 happened, this really is dumb what the government has let happen.
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I think it's just that it's WeChat. It's hard to fathom how central WeChat is to everything in China, and that was when I lived there. I'm sure it's gotten even worse. There's been ongoing drama for years about whether banning people from WeChat should be allowed because it's pretty much the worst punishment possible other than being sent to a gulag. If you can't use WeChat you're basically unable to access public life.
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Grand Fromage posted:I think it's just that it's WeChat. It's hard to fathom how central WeChat is to everything in China, and that was when I lived there. I'm sure it's gotten even worse. Increasingly private life, too. Last time I was there last summer, if you didn't use WeChat to pay for things and wanted to, say, pay with cash, people would look at you like you asked them to fly to the moon. Of course most of them took cash as a policy, but the cashiers would beg and plead and sometimes outright lie about only taking WeChat or Alipay to avoid taking cash. Which, considering how cash-based food alone was like 5-10 years ago, it's like a whole nother planet now. And my wife and I were chatting about how, if you're an elderly person (especially a rural elderly person), if you went to the city and didn't have a smart phone or didn't know how WeChat pay worked you'd be SOL.
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bad_fmr posted:Now with streamlined MyCrimes.txt functionality!
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Amergin posted:Man getting a new phone with an Australian SIM card and the first thing you do is download WeChat is just... ouch. whelp.
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You're confused, this is how free speech works.
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So how does the universality of WeChat work with tourists? Can you get it and set it to draw from a foreign credit card? Is going to China committing to give Tencent direct access to your bank account? Does it need some kind of registration with the government and short term visitors get stuck patronizing only little tourist areas where they still condescendingly accept cash for their inflated prices?
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Tai posted:You're confused, this is how free speech works. The authors of the tech articles I was reading had to do an awkward dance around the concept that the Chinese government refers to this as "responding to inappropriate messages", as if they're dealing with teenage dick pics, but what they actually mean is "cracking down on people who are less than glowing about the CCP, or use verboten words like Taiwan or Tibet".
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Hows the campaign against clothing that hurts national feelings going
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its going well, ty
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Akratic Method posted:So how does the universality of WeChat work with tourists? Can you get it and set it to draw from a foreign credit card? Is going to China committing to give Tencent direct access to your bank account? Does it need some kind of registration with the government and short term visitors get stuck patronizing only little tourist areas where they still condescendingly accept cash for their inflated prices? You can't use WeChat pay with a foreign bank/credit card, no. I've heard Alipay takes some foreign credit cards, but yeah being a tourist now sounds like an enormous pain in the rear end. One of the many reasons I hate phone pay stuff. At least I don't know any other countries that have gone as extreme as China, but Korea and Japan both have their own phone pay systems that you can't access unless you're a resident and if that keeps expanding then ??
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Yeah Japanese apps usually require a JP phone number for verification. LINE is more flexible but tbh nobody uses LINE pay.
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Grand Fromage posted:You can't use WeChat pay with a foreign bank/credit card, no. I've heard Alipay takes some foreign credit cards, but yeah being a tourist now sounds like an enormous pain in the rear end. One of the many reasons I hate phone pay stuff. Sounds like their campaign to bring tourism back is gonna go great, then. Thank god a visa is easier to get. e: I guess the government wouldn't really hate it if tourists only ever came in the form of closely managed tour groups within all-inclusive enclaves.
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peanut posted:Yeah Japanese apps usually require a JP phone number for verification. At least I can't see Japan refusing cash any time soon since they just recently got around to credit cards.
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