The US will lose WW3

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The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

"regional conflict" is when an imperial superpower from the opposite side of the world bombs the poo poo out of a poor middle eastern country trying to protect an ethnic minority nextdoor from getting genocided

it's not global conflict unless it's bad guys doing it because the US blowing up a city doesnt count

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stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

Good, funneling weapon components to Yemen should be much easier than funneling to Gaza through tunnels.

And I hope some engineers conveniently lose some AA design schematic in the boxes.

# ? Jan 12, 2024 02:19

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

I was just reading the damage reports from the Falklands and I don't know how the American public will handle a conflict where the enemy shoots back.

I'm not saying the Yemenis will be able to hit anything, only if they do, statistically it will not be a feelgood story for the MSNBC crowd.

50% mortality rates, even with immediate intensive medical care.

# ? Jan 12, 2024 02:39

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With global war on the horizon, we need the Leader of the Free World, President Xi Jingping, now more than ever

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stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

I got my water filter and propane gas stove and emergency blanket so I am all set.

# ? Jan 12, 2024 02:53

DickParasite: Dec 2, 2004; Slippery Tilde

BillsPhoenix posted:

Advertising, PR firms. Medicine and medical equipment. Net food exporter. Ship building, shipyard infrastructure, shipping logistical solutions. Commercial airplanes.

They're obviously not making tanks and artillery shells, but its not like it's only financial services and management consulting.

And SAP.

I loving hate SAP.

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Vox Nihili: May 28, 2008

how much of Yemen do the Houthi need to control before they start getting referred to as something other than "tribal militia" by the media

# ? Jan 12, 2024 03:15

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

BillsPhoenix posted:

Advertising, PR firms. Medicine and medical equipment. Net food exporter. Ship building, shipyard infrastructure, shipping logistical solutions. Commercial airplanes.

They're obviously not making tanks and artillery shells, but its not like it's only financial services and management consulting.

You sure about that?

https://www.wwf.eu/?6641916/The-EU-...20for%20change.

The EU eats the world, shows new report
Posted on 23 May 2022

The EU imports vastly more food than it exports and our food consumption has a detrimental impact on the planet � but there is appetite for change.
Despite being the world's largest exporter of agri-food products in economic terms, the EU carries a significant trade deficit when measured for what actually matters in nutritional terms, such as calories and proteins, shows a new WWF report released today. The EU consumes more than its fair share and our current high levels of food production are only possible thanks to massive imports of resources.

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Vox Nihili posted:

how much of Yemen do the Houthi need to control before they start getting referred to as something other than "tribal militia" by the media

The Communist Party of China controlled 95% of China for decades before the United States recognized the People's Republic of China.

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Danann: Aug 4, 2013

is the us secretary of defense actually up and conscious or is he still in surgery or something

# ? Jan 12, 2024 03:32

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Danann posted:

is the us secretary of defense actually up and conscious or is he still in surgery or something

Oh gently caress I entirely forgot about this part.

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DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Guys it's okay. I got the defence secretary's dog to authorise the strikes using a paw print. Only cost a pork chop.

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The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

We got deputy Baron Harkonnen to authorize these very necessary defensive strikes on the fremen rebels who have been attacking the spice shipments

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Danann posted:

is the us secretary of defense actually up and conscious or is he still in surgery or something

[Send Assistant ~~Manager~~ Secretary to Press Conference]

# ? Jan 12, 2024 04:03

ModernMajorGeneral: Jun 25, 2010

Danann posted:

is the us secretary of defense actually up and conscious or is he still in surgery or something

It's a funny situation but I would put money on if (when) everything goes horribly wrong for the USA, the extent of the introspection will be "this ruinous war happened because someone in our otherwise flawless political system didn't fill out the right forms when the secretary was in hospital, if proper procedures had been followed everything would have been fine"

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DancingShade posted:

You sure about that?

https://www.wwf.eu/?6641916/The-EU-...20for%20change.

The EU eats the world, shows new report
Posted on 23 May 2022

I'm not sure, but the article doesn't align with the study it links to. Europe doesn't feed the world, it over consumes, wastes a lot, and causes environmental harm in the process are all in the study. Net importer of fish. All problems, I believe every claim, but

Exports are still bigger than imports.

Lmao at sap

# ? Jan 12, 2024 04:12

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

The Oldest Man posted:

We got deputy Baron Harkonnen to authorize these very necessary defensive strikes on the fremen rebels who have been attacking the spice shipments

Interrupting the flow of spice is against the rules based international order. And expressly forbidden by the spacing guild.

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Danann posted:

is the us secretary of defense actually up and conscious or is he still in surgery or something

https://twitter.com/halbritz/status/1745628799595614632?t=1fkRzxEbCRsPE40J9T3vfg&s=19

# ? Jan 12, 2024 04:42

BULBASAUR: Apr 6, 2009; Soiled Meat

You hear that guys, this could be our Falklands!

Frosted Flake posted:

I was just reading the damage reports from the Falklands and I don't know how the American public will handle a conflict where the enemy shoots back.

I'm not saying the Yemenis will be able to hit anything, only if they do, statistically it will not be a feelgood story for the MSNBC crowd.

50% mortality rates, even with immediate intensive medical care.

Hmmm yes dying instantaneously from smoke inhalation and asphyxiation

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mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

BillsPhoenix posted:

I'm not sure, but the article doesn't align with the study it links to. Europe doesn't feed the world, it over consumes, wastes a lot, and causes environmental harm in the process are all in the study. Net importer of fish. All problems, I believe every claim, but

Exports are still bigger than imports.

Lmao at sap

You did not read the study it links to

quote:

In economic terms, the EU is the world's largest exporter of agri-food products, and the third-largest importer after the US and China. In 2020, the EU exported food and agricultural products worth �184 billion, with imports valued at �122 billion. These values represent about 9% of our total exported goods and 7% of imports � not insignificant, although less important than other product groups such as machinery and vehicles, chemicals and other manufactured goods.3

But the claim that Europe �feeds the world� � if it was ever true � no longer holds. Rather, this �62 billion trade surplus reflects a model of importing low-value raw products and exporting high-value ones � making a positive contribution to the EU economy, but not necessarily to the global food supply. We import cocoa and export chocolate, import soy for feed and export dairy products. Rather than the world's granary, the EU is the world's high-end grocery store, selling products aimed primarily at wealthier consumers.

Some of our leading exports do little to contribute to global nutritional security: wine, spirits and liquors, for example, are top-ranking EU exports by value.4 But even exporting staple foods such as wheat or certain animal products, where the EU also excels, can become a double-edged sword. Selling surplus cereal, chicken and dairy products to developing countries can support their short-term nutritional security, but has also been widely criticised for undercutting domestic producers and undermining the longer-term capacity of these countries to feed themselves.5,6

AN ECONOMIC SURPLUS DISGUISES A NUTRITIONAL DEFICIT

When agri-food trade is measured not in economic terms but according to what actually feeds the world, then our surplus becomes a large deficit. The EU is a net importer of both calories and proteins, relying on imports for the equivalent of 11% of the calories we consume and 26% of proteins.7

This is a symptom of the model of food production and consumption that the EU has adopted over recent decades. The high share of animal products, stimulants and processed foods in our diets relies on imports of several commodities. We are highly dependent on imports of oilseed meal � especially soy � to feed to livestock: less than a quarter of our oilseed protein demand is domestically produced. Importing human-edible crops to feed to animals allows the EU to export animal products, but a large share of the calories and proteins are wasted in the process. As the global population grows, we have to question whether this inefficient and inequitable distribution of the world's resources can continue.

Beyond large-scale commodities, other European imports also have complex environmental and social impacts overseas. Growing high-value crops does not necessarily compete with domestic food production, and can increase household incomes8, helping overcome poverty. However, production oriented to export markets can affect local food security where communities lose access to land through corporate acquisitions or rising prices. Negative impacts on water supply, soil health, loss of traditional varieties and biodiversity can also undermine local resilience.

e: the publication cited by the report linked by the article : https://www.iddri.org/sites/default/files/PDF/Publications/Catalogue%20Iddri/Etude/202107-ST0821_TYFA%20World_1.pdf

quote:

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Claims that the EU is �feeding the world� with its agricultural exports are no longer tenable, even if they held some truth in the past. Today, the EU is a net importer of calories, it has lost much of its market share when dealing with quantities and remains a major agro-exporter mostly for high-value commodities which little relate to food availability and security. In the last thirty years, the EU position changed in the world markets. The EU shifted from being a key player in the world agri-cultural supply to a new situation where this role is shared with traditional players, such as the USA, and new emerging countries showing particularly high potential for agriculture (Brazil, Argen-tina, Malaysia, Indonesia, Ukraine, etc.). Despite the increase of agricultural production and exports in absolute quantities, EU production and market share stagnated or declined for almost every main exported commodity, meaning that the rest of the world grew at a faster pace. At the same time, after the Uruguay Round (1986-1994), a movement of specialisation took place in Southeast Asia and Latin America. Favoured by greater trade liberalization, the emerging countries in these regions consoli-dated their position or entered massively in the market of vege-table oils, soya, sugar and poultry meat. Despite the decline of production and export shares when dealing with quantities, today, the EU is with the USA the main agro-exporting region when considering value. However, of the top-10 exported products, contributing to 44% of total exported value, most are �premium commodities� (ex. spirits, wine, cheese, cigarettes and other high processed commod-ities) which are bought by wealthy consumers in countries such as Japan, USA, China or Russia. They therefore contribute economically to the EU, but not to global nutritional needs. In addition, in terms of calories, EU is a net importer because of vegetable proteins imports used as feedstuff. Taking its origin in the post-war trade deals between the EU and the USA (Dillon Round), this dependence continues today as a result of unprof-itable economic margins for EU growers producing non-geneti-cally modified soybeans and an unsuitable climate in Northern Europe. This unfavourable situation also prevents the EU from closing the nitrogen cycle at a fine territorial level through the (re)integration of legumes in crop rotations.
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while today the EU is a major exporter in value terms thanks to high value commodities (ex. spir- its, wine, cheese, cigarettes and other high pro- cessed commodities) that are not part and par- cel of global food security, it is a net importer of calories and proteins by 11% and 26% of what it consumes, respectively.
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FuzzySlippers: Feb 6, 2009

The Oldest Man posted:

We got deputy Baron Harkonnen to authorize these very necessary defensive strikes on the fremen rebels who have been attacking the spice shipments

No one has bothered to fight the Sardaukar in ages so they've gotten lazy and just been skating by on their rep. None of their weapons actually work. Sardaukar are all like 'yeah our planet is totally rough and trains the faithful we're bad asses' but it's actually all fast food and video games. The first battle sends the Sardaukar fleeing in all directions from the very confused Fremen.

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Stairmaster: Jun 8, 2012

BULBASAUR posted:

You hear that guys, this could be our Falklands!

Hmmm yes dying instantaneously from smoke inhalation and asphyxiation

my man does not know how the word or works

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The Oldest Man posted:

time to pick another fight with hardcore nationalist guerillas blessed with rugged home terrain, a regional ally that can gun them up, that has already beaten every imperial force sent against them already

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po4adxJxqZk

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BULBASAUR: Apr 6, 2009; Soiled Meat

Stairmaster posted:

my man does not know how the word or works

taking a bong hit so huge you instantly die and don't realize it

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DickParasite: Dec 2, 2004; Slippery Tilde

BULBASAUR posted:

taking a bong hit so huge you instantly die and don't realize it

That's the dream.

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ram dass in hell: Dec 29, 2019

BULBASAUR posted:

taking a bong hit so huge you instantly die and don't realize it

hell yeah

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Gresh: Jan 12, 2019

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/halbritz/status/1745628799595614632?t=1fkRzxEbCRsPE40J9T3vfg&s=19

slay king slay

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galagazombie: Oct 31, 2011; A silly little mouse!

I�ll be honest and break thread orthodoxy here but I don�t think that there will actually be a �war� in Yemen for the US to lose. The flop that was prosperity guardian showed that the west can�t actually maintain a naval cordon much less any kind of ground invasion, and there is a negative amount of popular tolerance for �War on Terror 3: The Return of Ansarallah�. And most importantly to the Wests decision making process, no way will the business class tolerate the US military turning the Suez Canal into a permanent war zone. There�s going to be a lot of missiles getting launched at Yemen, followed by the realization they�ve run out of missiles to launch at Yemen.

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BULBASAUR: Apr 6, 2009; Soiled Meat

I feel that is an accurate assessment, but the US brought all its dogs with it. They might just force another country to get into some ground stuff.

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Will people care. How many people in the U.S. are aware that there are still U.S. troops in Syria and Iraq.

# ? Jan 12, 2024 06:04

zetamind2000: Nov 6, 2007; ~~I'm an alien.~~

BULBASAUR posted:

I feel that is an accurate assessment, but the US brought all its dogs with it. They might just force another country to get into some ground stuff.

time to earn your keep, bahrain

# ? Jan 12, 2024 06:11

ModernMajorGeneral: Jun 25, 2010

BULBASAUR posted:

I feel that is an accurate assessment, but the US brought all its dogs with it. They might just force another country to get into some ground stuff.

If the USA isn't going in on the ground nobody else will. It's not a question of whether they can be bullied into it or not, they just don't have the capability.

# ? Jan 12, 2024 06:12

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

galagazombie posted:

I�ll be honest and break thread orthodoxy here but I don�t think that there will actually be a �war� in Yemen for the US to lose. The flop that was prosperity guardian showed that the west can�t actually maintain a naval cordon much less any kind of ground invasion, and there is a negative amount of popular tolerance for �War on Terror 3: The Return of Ansarallah�. And most importantly to the Wests decision making process, no way will the business class tolerate the US military turning the Suez Canal into a permanent war zone. There�s going to be a lot of missiles getting launched at Yemen, followed by the realization they�ve run out of missiles to launch at Yemen.

I have a feeling that commercial traffic is going to be disrupted for a while. Failkids pulling levers they don't understand, that sort of thing.

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Hatebag: Jun 17, 2008

Jon Pod Van Damm posted:

Will people care. How many people in the U.S. are aware that there are still U.S. troops in Syria and Iraq.

there's also tens or maybe hundreds of thousands of mercenaries

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Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

Hatebag posted:

there's also tens or maybe hundreds of thousands of mercenaries

That�s a good example of why the USA has to provide the skeleton for any ground operations even if they�re going to attempt to flesh it out with allied or private forces.

I don�t think the PMCs can effectively operate in a country without a military backstop and logistics supply chain. they don�t have the means or materiel to conduct amphibious or air assaults at a scale that would meaningfully impact things.

I�m sure American special forces are already on the ground in Yemen, but what more can they do that they haven�t been doing for the last decade? More missile strikes? Between the two wars, the USA is already expending missiles at an unsustainable rate.

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Mandel Brotset: Jan 1, 2024

Danann posted:

is the us secretary of defense actually up and conscious or is he still in surgery or something

Frosted Flake posted:

Oh gently caress I entirely forgot about this part.

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Danann: Aug 4, 2013

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/halbritz/status/1745628799595614632?t=1fkRzxEbCRsPE40J9T3vfg&s=19

guess im gonna give it a week or so to see if there's some weekend at bernie's going on here

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FuzzySlippers: Feb 6, 2009

galagazombie posted:

I�ll be honest and break thread orthodoxy here but I don�t think that there will actually be a �war� in Yemen for the US to lose.

I totally agree. It�s not whether the US wants to go to war but whether it can. No matter what justifications the US uses I don�t think it has the capability. They need someone on the ground to do the actual fighting and the Yemeni opposition to Ansar is not enough and seem likely to smooth over any differences in the face of invasion or attack. The gulf states already tried. There�s no one else and even if there were the US doesn�t even have much capability to support another proxy war.

About the only thing the US has is nukes (as bad as the arsenal is I�m sure some of it is working) and I don�t think they are that crazy yet.

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TeenageArchipelago: Jul 23, 2013

It's wild that there is nothing that can be done to stop all of this except stopping the genocide

Though tbqh I don't think that there's any world in which the US will tolerate the people of Yemen having any kind of world policing authority

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FuzzySlippers: Feb 6, 2009

it is possible America already lost WW3 when it blew it�s load in weapons and soft power in Ukraine without success, failed to restrain Israel, and then failed to recognize the need to start fixing anything broken about America to change course. If there isn�t any political will to fix the broken arms industry how is it going to even present a credible defense of Taiwan much less succeed?

These 2030s plans for new wonder weapons that�ll allow for the US to dominate the pacific are straight delusions.

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