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BlindSite posted:Fields has shown less as a passer than Bryce tbh. if you only watched him in 2021 and ignored the last 2 years, I guess
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Fields isn't good and was put in a trash situation Young was put in a trash situation and may also not be good
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For as much McDaniel loves speed they should trade Tua for Fields and some picks
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Parallax posted:For as much McDaniel loves speed they should trade Tua for Fields and some picks Mamma mia, Fields in Miami…
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Mamma mia, Fields in Miami… The Dolphins would’ve run 3 plays before Fields got the ball out the first time.
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Jan 12, 2024 03:13
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Tua's year before McDaniel and Fields this year are pretty similar, stat wise, except for Fields also running for 650 yards
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I think Fields throws a great ball and has a good chance to be something once he gets off the team where QBs go to die
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Parallax posted:Tua's year before McDaniel and Fields this year are pretty similar, stat wise, except for Fields also running for 650 yards So what you're saying is the Niners should sign Fields as a backup? I'm OK with this.
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Fields has enough running talent to absolutely design a good offense around. Bryce has shown nothing capable of designing an offense around in the NFL. The bears have generally agreed poor talent and poor coaching but Fields is still winning games whereas Bryce is....?
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Jan 12, 2024 06:47
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Fields > Mac has been glaringly obvious to anyone with a pulse, so I’d gladly take the dude in Miami as a prove it deal. I feel like the system helps QBs and Fields would be no different
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https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2024/1/12/24035145/jordan-love-trick-shot-throws-lamar-jackson-patrick-mahomes-packers Neat writeup on throwing off-platform and how the current generation of star QBs are all very good at it. Also loads of clips. Couple excerpts: quote:[...] quote:[...]
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I've long thought that football should try to recruit more baseball players. Lots of 6'2+ minor leaguers who have amazing arms and are very talented at throwing in weird ways.
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What about basketball players? At the tight end position perhaps?
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AndrewP posted:I've long thought that football should try to recruit more baseball players. Lots of 6'2+ minor leaguers who have amazing arms and are very talented at throwing in weird ways. Mahomes isn't good because he throws the ball weird. He's amazing at not getting sacked. That's carried him his entire career. His throwing form is pretty normal most of the time but people remember the highlight baseball throws he gets off. They're a good asset to have but other QBs do it all the time as well.
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feller posted:What about basketball players? At the tight end position perhaps? you're insane, it'll never work
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feller posted:What about basketball players? At the tight end position perhaps? reminder that Jimmy Graham is catching TDs in TYOOL 2023
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Doltos posted:Mahomes isn't good because he throws the ball weird. He's amazing at not getting sacked. That's carried him his entire career. His throwing form is pretty normal most of the time but people remember the highlight baseball throws he gets off. They're a good asset to have but other QBs do it all the time as well. Part of avoiding getting sacked is getting the ball out before you're hit, or sometimes in the midst of being hit. You won't be able to have "proper" throwing form while doing that, for the most part. And if you can still land these weird throws, that's a really good asset to have. The other way to escape sacks is to hit the jets. But your legs will eventually slow down and abandon you as you get older. Your arm (usually - rip Chad Pennington) won't until the very end of your career.
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imagine what Vick would have been if he hadn't spent the beginning of his career with Jim Mora Jr. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC0S1swLGMQ
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SKULL.GIF posted:Part of avoiding getting sacked is getting the ball out before you're hit, or sometimes in the midst of being hit. You won't be able to have "proper" throwing form while doing that, for the most part. And if you can still land these weird throws, that's a really good asset to have. I mean yea being able to throw while getting hit is fine but that takes a back seat to him dodging everyone behind the LOS and getting off a good ball. It does eventually take a hit to athleticism when you get older but who cares. Right now he's successful because he can run around a lot, not because he side arms throws sometimes.
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I wasn't just talking about literal arm angles, I'm talking about ability to throw quickly, accurately and hard while on the move. as in that thing infielders do a lot
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AndrewP posted:I wasn't just talking about literal arm angles, I'm talking about ability to throw quickly, accurately and hard while on the move. as in that thing infielders do a lot Mahomes was a pitcher I guess his brother is a catcher????
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Pretty pretty good
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A Buffer Gay Dude posted:Mahomes was a pitcher boooo
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Jordan Love is a wild case. From the start of the year to the end of the year he had the career arc of a promising rookie QB who grew into a 3rd-year pro who put it all together. All in one season. The flashes were there all along, but the way LaFleur changed the offense to suit Love's talents and limit the negative plays really allowed his QB to flourish. There are about 8 head coaches who really did a phenomenal job with their teams this year. It's pretty cool to see.
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Hot Diggity! posted:Pretty pretty good This chart says Derek carr was good and I'm sorry but I have eyes that tell me otherwise.
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really queer Christmas posted:This chart says Derek carr was good and I'm sorry but I have eyes that tell me otherwise. Carr is below the line so the chart is correct
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AndrewP posted:I wasn't just talking about literal arm angles, I'm talking about ability to throw quickly, accurately and hard while on the move. as in that thing infielders do a lot I agree with that but as with all athletes the capability is there it's the talent that's needed. It's pretty different making a throw quickly, accurately, and on the move from short stop without a 330lbs guy about to smear you into the field. They're also throwing at a predetermined target that's clear and obvious, not against NFL coverage schemes. But the proof is in the pudding with some baseball guys like Russ, Mahomes, and Kyler. All those guys possessed great arm talent and it translated pretty well between baseball and football.
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D. Carr > P. Mahomes
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If the Packers end up with 3 consecutive Hall of Fame quarterbacks then the rest of the NFC North fanbases need to raze Green Bay to the ground and put an end to the madness.
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Let's not get ahead of ourselves here with Love.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Let's not get ahead of ourselves here with Love. Quarterbacks who have had a statistically comparable season to Love's 2023, ever, in their careers, have at minimum been Pretty Good: https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2024/1/12/24036042/will-jordan-love-sustain-his-excellent-play-or-was-the-second-half-of-2023-a-mirage The floor appears to be Geno/Tannehill/Jeff Garcia.
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Doltos posted:I agree with that but as with all athletes the capability is there it's the talent that's needed. It's pretty different making a throw quickly, accurately, and on the move from short stop without a 330lbs guy about to smear you into the field. They're also throwing at a predetermined target that's clear and obvious, not against NFL coverage schemes. There is a difference no doubt between hitting a stationary target and a moving one, but in my experience, to the ones who can do it really well, it really doesn't matter. The kid who can who field a ball at short going left and throw a ball back across his body to 1st and hit him in the chest would be able to do it if that 1st baseman was moving down field with him. Whatever that ability is seems to work no matter if the target is moving, they are just able to do it.
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Hot Diggity! posted:Pretty pretty good go cats
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I’m not saying every baseball player could play quarterback, I’m just saying that you can’t teach great arm talent and baseball is probably a good place to find it.
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AndrewP posted:I’m not saying every baseball player could play quarterback, I’m just saying that you can’t teach great arm talent and baseball is probably a good place to find it. Jared Lorenzen with a baseball arm maybe? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA311n6O0uM
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One thing I didn't see in that fadeaway article is the recent trend of underthrowing your receiver and letting them draw contact against a DB who never turns their head. You're seeing it a couple of times a game now where a PI comes from a receiver hitting the breaks and plowing into the DB trying to get a ball that's five yards short and drawing a flag that way. It would make sense that fadeaway throws have less juice on them and unless you're an ~!El1t3 GuN5l1nG3r~! with the laser rocket arm those throws aren't going to get entirely to where you want them to. I'm sure DBs are going to start adjusting to those underthrows and how they scheme and cover, which will make those fadeaway throws less viable for all but the most cannon-armed. Still, Love's development has been terrifying to see and if GB can put a team around him, it means the Lions' ascent may be a one and done and we'll be back to the natural order of things soon enough.
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Defenses always adjust. It just takes a little time for the right coordinator to get the right guys to run their scheme. We've already seen guys taking anyway the shanavay route concepts in Minnesota and Baltimore. it'll spread and offenses will adjust.
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Hot Diggity! posted:Pretty pretty good I was on board with this chart until I saw where Nick Mullens was rated
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