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"Let there be no genesis," said God who is called YISUN, "For beginnings are false and I am a consummate liar."
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So Gog is a living data storage device designed to ride out the end of the universe. Continuity of Worm
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Jan 12, 2024 22:38
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I'm a little more bothered by the reveal that it's been literally the same loving people over and over again in every recreation of the universe, including apparently Allison? Not just 7 demiurges etc. etc. but specifically Solomon et al. no wonder everyone who knows about it, which was like half the demiurges, is so totally defeated by the scale of Zoss's bullshit
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Jan 12, 2024 22:42
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I'm a little more bothered by the reveal that it's been literally the same loving people over and over again in every recreation of the universe, including apparently Allison? Not just 7 demiurges etc. etc. but specifically Solomon et al. It's obviously not been exactly the same ("the roles twist and change" etc) but it makes a certain amount of sense, you're starting from the same initial conditions after all, and it's a big universe even with Zoss's changes.
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Jan 12, 2024 22:48
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I'm a little more bothered by the reveal that it's been literally the same loving people over and over again in every recreation of the universe, including apparently Allison? Not just 7 demiurges etc. etc. but specifically Solomon et al. She's framing it that way because Allison obviously doesn't know about Worbleplorp the Demiurge, Bearer of the Word Snooglespork from 8 billion spins ago.
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Jan 12, 2024 22:52
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with this revelation, alot of gog's actions that made her seem erratic/childish/idiotic suddenly make much more sense as extreme frustration. she's basically been heckling the show nonstep for aeons
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Jan 12, 2024 22:53
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A big flaming stink posted:with this revelation, alot of gog's actions that made her seem erratic/childish/idiotic suddenly make much more sense as extreme frustration.
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Jan 12, 2024 22:53
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Joe Slowboat posted:She needs it to travel between worlds; she likely also needs it to maintain a single mass across worlds. The first arrivals to throne didn't need keys. I'm sure gog can maintain her multi-world-multi-timeline hive mind without it.
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Jan 12, 2024 22:58
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also gdi im just realizing the abaddon used a similar idea to a previous writing concept of mine of (madoka spoilers) what if homura just never loving gave up trying to get the ideal outcome not that such an idea is particularly novel
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Jan 12, 2024 22:58
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This also implies the spinning back of the wheel goes further than many of had sispected, since the details of the seven part pact differ as a result - it isnt just rolling back far enough to get a new heir, it is rolling back a whole lot more, back to the war *at least*, maybe even prior.A Wizard of Goatse posted:I'm a little more bothered by the reveal that it's been literally the same loving people over and over again in every recreation of the universe, including apparently Allison? Not just 7 demiurges etc. etc. but specifically Solomon et al. I got the sense that isn't actually true, that there may actually have been plenty of different players, but that the players just... Dont really matter all that much, in the end? She doesnt remember the first cycles, perhaps because she didnt actually matter to them and wasnt involved! That it still all goes roughly the same way and gets reset, no matter who plays what roles or how they are twisted. GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Jan 12, 2024 |
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Jan 12, 2024 22:59
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Elissimpark posted:I think we might not have touched on it during Jadis-chat, but it's likely she's only omniscient as far as the current spin goes. As far as she's aware, the world ends. Zoss spinning everything back (like a giant pencil in the cassette tape of reality) is from outside the wheel, so she doesn't know that's happening and maybe, due to her circumstances, is unable of becoming aware of it. operant's first definitive statement on jadis was "she knows the most, of anyone, ever" and this was after gog's blueprint was already put into play. she knows everything about everything, and that's why she's unable to care
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Jan 12, 2024 23:02
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girl dick energy posted:Taking bets for who it is. Himself
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Jan 12, 2024 23:03
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Reclaimer posted:She's framing it that way because Allison obviously doesn't know about Worbleplorp the Demiurge, Bearer of the Word Snooglespork from 8 billion spins ago. Everyone up to this point has been very vague about what previous iterations looked like, they only sketched out the broad strokes of Zoss abdication, a bunch of evil usurpers, heir defeats them all somehow and then the end. A perfectly workable way to suggest that the cast may rotate but the upshot remains the same. Gog is the first one save maybe Metatron who recalls what happened with perfect clarity, and she's being pretty explicit here in calling people out by name as previous contenders A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Jan 12, 2024 |
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Jan 12, 2024 23:04
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I appreciate gog confirming our suspicions and I appreciate just how over this poo poo she is
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Jan 12, 2024 23:07
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I'm a little more bothered by the reveal that it's been literally the same loving people over and over again in every recreation of the universe, including apparently Allison? Not just 7 demiurges etc. etc. but specifically Solomon et al. Well, not literally the same loving people. The same roles definitely, maybe a few recurring cast members because certain assholes are such unbelievable shits that they make themselves universally important in each cycle. But we know from Zoss's flashback in the jail cell that the heir, at least, has been a different lucky contestant each cycle.
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Jan 12, 2024 23:08
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i think alison is still supposed to be a new wrinkle in the plan - jagganoth suggested as much, and gog is only calling her out because she's trying to put her in her place. she mentions jaggs because we already know he's a universal constant and solomon because she'll never miss an opportunity to snipe at the beardy ponce
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Jan 12, 2024 23:08
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girl dick energy posted:Taking bets for who it is. I will be quoting this in a week. Diogines fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Jan 12, 2024 |
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Jan 12, 2024 23:10
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Very good page. Very gay too. Very Gog page?Oxxidation posted:operant's first definitive statement on jadis was "she knows the most, of anyone, ever" and this was after gog's blueprint was already put into play. she knows everything about everything, and that's why she's unable to care Yeah, I assume this is still true. A Wizard of Goatse posted:I'm a little more bothered by the reveal that it's been literally the same loving people over and over again in every recreation of the universe, including apparently Allison? Not just 7 demiurges etc. etc. but specifically Solomon et al. Is it really the same people outside of Zoss and Gog? She hasn't mentioned the others as being the major players every time. Though Gog confirming that the universe is indeed different every time definitely puts to rest my pet theory "Jagganoth's memory is faulty, every cycle is exactly the same, a closed time loop". As for who Gog's talking about here, I don't really see which character would be appropriate for such a revelation besides Gog herself.
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Jan 12, 2024 23:11
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Diogines posted:It is Whitechain. Oh but whats this? Its Nyave from the bleachers with a steel chair! What a surprise twist. But I do think gog is talking about herself here.
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Jan 12, 2024 23:15
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The crazy twist is that Allison is a Gog variant. Case in point: they're both (bottle) blondes.
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Jan 12, 2024 23:16
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This page is so good it gives me chills. Especially Gog emphasizing how many times this has happened "over and over and over AND OVER AND OVER AND-" Also, anybody else notice that the floor of the stage with the red curtains basically makes it the Black Lodge from Twin Peaks?
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Jan 12, 2024 23:25
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Everyone up to this point has been very vague about what previous iterations looked like, they only sketched out the broad strokes of Zoss abdication, a bunch of evil usurpers, heir defeats them all somehow and then the end. A perfectly workable way to suggest that the cast may rotate but the upshot remains the same. Gog is the first one save maybe Metatron who recalls what happened with perfect clarity, and she's being pretty explicit here in calling people out by name as previous contenders Disagree, if she was like "It sure wasn't Prince Hekkynfuqr" then Allison would be like "oh i have no way of knowing who that is so obviously i never thought that they would have gotten close to overthrowing my dad"
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Jan 12, 2024 23:38
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Well, I was wrong… but honestly I’m a bit sad I was wrong, because I don’t actually like the recontextualization of Gog into “Jadis 2: Clown Jadis” Abaddon’s generally landed things before so I’m entirely still on the ride, I just don’t find this explanation of Gog particularly compelling.
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Jan 12, 2024 23:46
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I'm a little more bothered by the reveal that it's been literally the same loving people over and over again in every recreation of the universe, including apparently Allison? Not just 7 demiurges etc. etc. but specifically Solomon et al. I assumed that was always the case. I mean, we know it's always Jagganoth, so why not the others? Joe Slowboat posted:Well, I was wrong… but honestly I’m a bit sad I was wrong, because I don’t actually like the recontextualization of Gog into “Jadis 2: Clown Jadis” Gog doesn't know the future, though. Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Jan 12, 2024 |
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Jan 12, 2024 23:50
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Joe Slowboat posted:Well, I was wrong… but honestly I’m a bit sad I was wrong, because I don’t actually like the recontextualization of Gog into “Jadis 2: Clown Jadis” I like its presentation better than Jadis's already, but I'm wondering what she's gonna reveal that will build up on what Jagganoth already said. Hell, he even used some equivalent to her beach comparison.
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Jan 12, 2024 23:51
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Rotten Red Rod posted:I assumed that was always the case. I mean, we know it's always Jagganoth, so why not the others? I figured Zoss spun it back to some time after he vanished, and given there’s always a pact of the seven part world, it would make sense for the same seven to reoccur every time; my personal choice of time for narrative cohesion would be “when he chooses the heir” which could cover a wide range of moments in time post-universal war. Also, my comparison is mostly “she’s someone who knows vastly more about the universe and this is why she acts weirdly and doesn’t really try” - but I find Jadis’ version more compelling, mostly because Gog’s whole envy schtick was already really good and fertile without the “became worms to have storage space” thing. It’s a rug pull but I liked the rug and I’m not a fan of the floorboards, even with the nifty twin peaks pattern.
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Jan 12, 2024 23:57
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RocketMermaid posted:Also, anybody else notice that the floor of the stage with the red curtains basically makes it the Black Lodge from Twin Peaks?  I agree with the poster who gushed about the lighting, the facial expressions, etc. - not only was this a great page for exposition, I really like the way it was put together, and that Gog's big revelations are told as she leads Allison in dance
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Jan 13, 2024 01:11
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Gog's face in the lower left is super reminding me of something very specific from art history but i can't remember what it might be. sorta oracular but not that my own oracular prediction is that the floor is going to open up while they're on it to hardcore reveal some agogs or somethin. maybe gog is 4th wall aware 
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Jan 13, 2024 01:35
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vOg0HyJpvI
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Jan 13, 2024 01:35
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In the chaos of the Universal War, all sorts of different weirdos can end up with a Key of Kings, but certain people are more disposed to it than others. It's always Jagganoth, but it's not always Mottom, for instance.
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Jan 13, 2024 02:25
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SniperWoreConverse posted:Gog's face in the lower left is super reminding me of something very specific from art history but i can't remember what it might be. sorta oracular but not that Any chance it’s Shot Marilyns?
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Jan 13, 2024 03:05
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girl dick energy posted:Taking bets for who it is. I think Gog-Agog taking a specific face is the key. Remember, she doesn't remember the earliest Loops all too well, so she probably wasn't a player on the board then, and has just accumulated since a particular one. I think she's wearing the face of whoever is "supposed" to be the seventh Demiurge, but she's now Sir Not Appearing in this Film and starts off consumed by Gog-Agog before she can even get her story going.
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Jan 13, 2024 03:10
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girl dick energy posted:Taking bets for who it is. Allison's sorority sister who cooks her food back in Chapter 5.
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Jan 13, 2024 03:16
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Oh, it could be Zaid.
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Jan 13, 2024 03:28
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coolusername posted:Oh, it could be Zaid. “Your STUPID boyfriend!”
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Jan 13, 2024 03:31
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Next page is Allison trying to guess and going through the entire cast.
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Jan 13, 2024 03:32
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If she’s actually the oldest and the strongest and could actually be the big bad and all that… why did she give a flying gently caress what Mottom thought about her when it looked like Jagganoth could lose? Why did she throw the fight?
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Jan 13, 2024 03:36
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SniperWoreConverse posted:maybe gog is 4th wall aware
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Joe Slowboat posted:If she’s actually the oldest and the strongest and could actually be the big bad and all that… why did she give a flying gently caress what Mottom thought about her when it looked like Jagganoth could lose? Probably because she can never get that respect she craves? I don't know. I guess with context it's more of a "it is happening again" reaction.
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Joe Slowboat posted:If she’s actually the oldest and the strongest and could actually be the big bad and all that… why did she give a flying gently caress what Mottom thought about her when it looked like Jagganoth could lose? Because she's seen it before, and he can't?
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