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Mike N Eich posted:I was on board with this chart until I saw where Nick Mullens was rated Do you not think he's well below average?
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He is well below average in reality but that chart has him well above average in CPOE, slightly above average in EPA, but below the Mystery Line which implies .. . . ??? Inefficiency? I guess?
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Dutchy posted:He is well below average in reality but that chart has him well above average in CPOE, slightly above average in EPA, but below the Mystery Line which implies .. . . ??? Inefficiency? I guess? On every chart in existence that has a line like that, above the line = good and below the line = bad. The degree by which you are above or below indicates how good or bad you are relative to others.
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IcePhoenix posted:On every chart in existence that has a line like that, above the line = good and below the line = bad That is a trend line and that is not at all what it means.
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fsif posted:That is a trend line and that is not at all what it means. Then what does it mean?
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IcePhoenix posted:Then what does it mean? It's just showing a positive correlation between the two goofy made up stats. An inverse relationship between the two would show a line traveling from the top left to the bottom right. In the Mullins case specifically, his EPA/play is a bit lower than one would expect given his CPOE. However, his dot is still squarely in the upper right quadrant, both above and to the right of the red grid lines that represent an average. He's above average in both stats but exceptional in CPOE. So it's a pretty dumbass chart, is the short of it.
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The Football Funhouse: It's a dumbass chart
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easton stick is above the line so that must mean he's good
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IcePhoenix posted:Then what does it mean? Jordan Love is good
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fsif posted:It's just showing a positive correlation between the two goofy made up stats. An inverse relationship between the two would show a line traveling from the top left to the bottom right. Neat. I still think it's kind of a decent reference though since most of the dots line up pretty well with my opinion on how various QBs have played this season. Hot Diggity! posted:Jordan Love is good We already knew that though 
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I legitimately, honestly watch CJ Stroud this year and think he’s gonna be a top 3 QB for the next 15 years. I’ve never seen a rookie this impressive before.
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Imagine picking Bryce Young before CJ “Playoff Guy” Stroud.
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Hey now, we haven't seen how Bryce does in the NFL playoffs yet. It might be Too Soon To Tell
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The337th posted:I can't even fathom what it must be like to be looking toward your team's football future when this is how your rookie QB's season is going i can fathom, however, the exact opposite.
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FizFashizzle posted:i can fathom, however, the exact opposite. oh yeah that one makes sense to me rip
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FizFashizzle posted:i can fathom, however, the exact opposite.
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How can you look at Stroud play and his throwing motion and ever think Bryce will measure up even with better support lol
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Legitimately think this is the best rookie QB I've ever seen.
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The337th posted:I can't even fathom what it must be like to be looking toward your team's football future when this is how your rookie QB's season is going It’s the most positive I’ve ever been about the Texans. It feels like we’re going to be a playoff mainstay for the next 10-15 years. It’s an incredible feeling and so fulfilling after the past 20 years. I hope every fan base gets to experience something similar in their lives.
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Nervous posted:How Not Mad is Tepper right now? All of it.
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The337th posted:also hopefully Stroud has caused the death of that stupid cognitive test ever being treated as legit again I hope he single handedly puts that dumbass company out of business.
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I mean. Everyone dismissed that test the moment it was talked about as being dumb and stupid and it wouldn't have an impact and Stroud went 2nd overall. I don't think it was ever really alive.
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BlindSite posted:I mean. Everyone dismissed that test the moment it was talked about as being dumb and stupid and it wouldn't have an impact and Stroud went 2nd overall. I don't think it was ever really alive. Last year half the teams in the league paid the company that runs it to evaluate prospects they were interested in, including the Panthers. https://theathletic.com/4455444/2023/04/27/nfl-draft-s2-cognition-cj-stroud-bryce-young/?amp=1
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I think BlindSite means that we, people with more than 1 braincell posting here, dismissed the test
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Kirios posted:I legitimately, honestly watch CJ Stroud this year and think he’s gonna be a top 3 QB for the next 15 years. I didn't watch him much but the stats mostly told the story. In-game though, the touch he put on some of those passes was superb. Even the overthrow for an easy touchdown was under 2 feet, and he just sort of hucked it.
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Master Stur posted:I think BlindSite means that we, people with more than 1 braincell posting here, dismissed the test Well, at least one person on this forum thought it might have some value. BlindSite posted:With enough data, over enough years, you can find enough outliers to say "this test is bullshit", without the years data you can handwave a test and say its not a good indicator of anything, but there's also going to be specific cases where the outcomes of a test can be indicative and informative when taken in context with all of the other data points.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Well, at least one person on this forum thought it might have some value. I was speaking to the broader use of tests within context but my post is filled with caveats to its usefulness. But I guess having the opinion of, the test wouldn't matter for 99% of your evaluation is somehow controversial lol.
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BlindSite posted:I was speaking to the broader use of tests within context but my post is filled with caveats to its usefulness. You made multiple posts arguing that this specific test wasn’t entirely worthless, that it could have value, that the data could help teams make decisions about prospects whose processing was in question. Seems a little silly to argue that the test that dominated draft coverage for weeks, generated puff pieces from the likes of the Athletic, was paid for by at least 15 NFL teams including the Panthers (who then picked the highest scoring QB prospect), and that you also felt compelled to defend was actually never really taken seriously by anyone. I’m not trying to be a dick here, everyone here gets it wrong more often than not, but it’s wrong to say that it wasn’t taken seriously before the draft. YOLOsubmarine fucked around with this message at 07:20 on Jan 14, 2024 |
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Ok, maybe I didn't communicate as clearly as I should have but my point was that the test could be utilised even if it was functionally useless when the evaluation methods that matter would draw the conclusion that mattered.
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ok, nevermind, it's kinda great that the guy most apologetic to the Stroud test is also the most apologetic to Bryce's QB play keep the test going e: but seriously though, the test even meriting a single headline or discussion is more air than it ever deserved and no one should be able to grift a cent off of it The337th fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Jan 14, 2024 |
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I wonder if the Stroud cognitive test score would have been much of a story if the Vince Young wonderlic score hadn't been a story in 2006 Different tests measuring different things, but I think that made the idea that you need to have some sort of formal Brain Good assessment to screen QB prospects into more of a thing.
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