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It's called the Oregon Trail generation
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Jan 13, 2024 12:56
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triple sulk posted:i feel seen
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Jan 13, 2024 13:35
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500excf type r posted:It's called the Oregon Trail generation I did regularly shoot 2,000lbs of wildlife while knowing my carrying capacity was only 200lbs
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Jan 13, 2024 13:49
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Rectal Death Alert posted:I did regularly shoot 2,000lbs of wildlife while knowing my carrying capacity was only 200lbs somehow as a kid it never dawned on me that thinking "bullets are cheap, might as well keep killing things" was perhaps not good for a simulator game
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Jan 13, 2024 13:51
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Maybe I should revisit my answer, because a difference between cspam and other goons may simply be a willingness to look at material reality, which may be a trait that is forced upon you at a young age. Wealth insulates from material reality. Did cspam grow up poorer than the average goon?
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Jan 13, 2024 14:34
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Fell Mood posted:Maybe I should revisit my answer, because a difference between cspam and other goons may simply be a willingness to look at material reality, which may be a trait that is forced upon you at a young age. Wealth insulates from material reality. Did cspam grow up poorer than the average goon? It's hard to say "things will get better, we'll figure it out" when dinner is 2 slices of buttered toast again in the trailer park.
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Jan 13, 2024 14:40
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Paradoxish posted:weird vibes-based discussion instead of, you know, talking about material reality. To me this has become the entire crux. Years of reading fat polsci books, philosophy eastern and western, 3 degrees, SA posts by the thousands, talking to people in clinical situations: Material reality is a foreign land. There is an unfathomable disconnect, hyper-reality style, between people and the world. The causes are, I'm certain, very familiar to all in here, as well as its recent exacerbation. The consequences are dire, of course, but to me I'm most familiar with the health implications of such disconnects, people functionally committing slow suicide in a panoply of interesting and confounding ways. What will be the long-term ones in a context of survival of the human species as it were? 8 ball says: outlook not so good Edit: Fell Mood posted:Did cspam grow up poorer than the average goon? I heard when she left, the cleaning lady (she was a little bit "touched in the head" but still smart enough to) refused to clean her room because it was covered floor to ceiling in human poo poo, with writing on the walls, in poo poo of course. I hope this story answers your question. Testicular Torque Wrench has issued a correction as of 15:03 on Jan 13, 2024 |
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Jan 13, 2024 14:53
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I think it does. My family was very very upper middle until a combination of drug use and medical debt busted us down when I was 12. So not actually poor, we were able to get a computer when I was in high school, but still struggling with both parents working and me working part time to kick a little towards bills. gently caress now that I think about it I recall paying the whole power bill some months because it had been turned off. Maybe it was worse than I remember. Fell Mood has issued a correction as of 15:35 on Jan 13, 2024 |
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Jan 13, 2024 15:31
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D&D is a forum full of Panglosses
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Jan 13, 2024 15:39
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new record: https://twitter.com/EliotJacobson/status/1745858049875870184
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Jan 13, 2024 16:59
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Paradoxish posted:The people who post in those threads view optimism as an ideological stance and that means they'll literally never engage with any of this poo poo in any kind of meaningful way. It's also wildly frustrating to talk to people like that because they just automatically assume that the sadbrains doomers are doing the same thing and that you're actually having some kind of weird vibes-based discussion instead of, you know, talking about material reality. the stance i most commonly encounter is "yes things are bad but humanity will find a solution just like we always have" which is of course astonishingly unhinged in its own way
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Jan 13, 2024 17:16
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i mean, we're here now. history supports that. but my bar is a little higher than "humans continue to exist"
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Jan 13, 2024 17:23
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"we'll find a way" speaks to the misguided belief that something is inherently special about our species because our base stats have a few extra points in intelligence.
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Jan 13, 2024 17:29
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"we'll find a way" gets used so much because it's impossible to conclusively disprove until the disaster is undeniable. Vaguely pointing to the future and saying "The solution could happen" isn't really something you can take away from people so a lot of them like to draw a line there and setup shop. I mean you can argue all day about the scope of climate change and what will be happening in the future but that line can always be "Yes, we had a worldwide famine that killed a billion people, but this just means that we are more motivated to fix the problem. Here are theories and projections about new technology. We'll find a way"
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Jan 13, 2024 17:40
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we just need to unburn coal, oil, and gas for 300 years without affecting our way of life or Number and we’ll be fine 
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Jan 13, 2024 17:45
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:i mean, we're here now. history supports that. The problem is that history doesn't really support it. It's not like humanity is here because we've beaten an increasingly difficult series of challenges like jumping from one video game level to the next. Anything you could reasonably call an existential crisis in modern, written human history is just something we've done to ourselves, and ancient human population bottlenecks almost certainly were things we just happened to survive rather than problems we innovated through. "We've always found a way" is actually bullshit because we've never had to find a way through anything as a global species before.
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Jan 13, 2024 18:18
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Paradoxish posted:
Before modern life made day to day survival a shelved issue, I do believe finding a way through was the prerogative of our genetic predecessors. We've also fixed the hole in the ozone layer, which I think counts as "global species" success story. One can also argue, if pedantically, that we survived the Covid pandemic rather well compared to prior plagues. Playing devil's advocate here, of course.
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Jan 13, 2024 18:41
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The frog in the boiling water survived every challenge thrown at it so far! It survived 30 degrees celcius, 31, 32, 33. There's no reason to believe it won't survive 34 too.
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Jan 13, 2024 18:42
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Small objection: we stopped the hole from getting worse, but it is still far from fixed.
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Jan 13, 2024 18:43
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Also I'd say we managed to do pretty much everything wrong with COVID and just lucked out that it wasn't much, much worse for us. It's hilarious how much news articles from the 1918 flu mirror modern COVID news.
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Jan 13, 2024 18:49
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covid is also a really bad analogy that makes the opposite case: it showed that modern humans are utterly incapable of tolerating even moderate disruptions to their habits and day to day lives for more than a few days/weeks
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Jan 13, 2024 18:58
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Unfortunately human intelligence just hasn't scaled well. In large enough numbers we go from being the smartest thing on top of the food chain to being the dumbest drooling fucks imaginable. And any of our leaders who aren't stupid themselves are just grabbing power to enrich themselves knowing that they'll be dead long before it matters. All of the assholes most directly responsible are going to be dying quietly in hospital beds with the best medical care money can buy within the next 20 years, utterly satisfied with their disgusting lives selling the rest of us out for another loving yacht.
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Jan 13, 2024 19:01
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Paradoxish posted:Also I'd say we managed to do pretty much everything wrong with COVID and just lucked out that it wasn't much, much worse for us. It's hilarious how much news articles from the 1918 flu mirror modern COVID news. yeah covid's going fine now, couldve been a lot worse,
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Jan 13, 2024 19:02
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Yeah, COVID really seems to be an example of human ingenuity and intelligence utterly failing, but the real world consequences being "tens of millions of people are dead" instead of "species extermination." I find it very hard to argue that things would have gone differently if the latter case was actually on the table. We just got lucky. Also long-term consequences are still up in the air, so who knows what the future holds.
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Jan 13, 2024 19:05
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:covid is also a really bad analogy that makes the opposite case: it showed that modern humans are utterly incapable of tolerating even moderate disruptions to their habits and day to day lives for more than a few days/weeks My point is that the existential risk of covid is null. I agree that people are creatures of comfort. Nature takes the path of least resistance, including our own nature. The experiences that are valuable here are not those of westerners forced to sit at home but rather of people like the palestinians and kurds who have suffered existential risk. If they were in a better situation no one would be better-suited for leadership in climate crisis. Instead we get the rich, people who functionally do not understand suffering or hardship.
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Jan 13, 2024 19:10
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climate change didnt kill me personally over the last year so who can say how bad it really is?
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Jan 13, 2024 19:19
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mags posted:climate change didnt kill me personally over the last year so who can say how bad it really is? Even primitive humans living in caves were able to remove 100 gigatons of co2 from the atmosphere, how hard can it be now?
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Jan 13, 2024 19:25
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Salt Fish posted:Even primitive humans living in caves were able to remove 100 gigatons of co2 from the atmosphere, how hard can it be now? how many trees u got
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Jan 13, 2024 19:28
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Testicular Torque Wrench posted:We've also fixed the hole in the ozone layer, which I think counts as "global species" success story. Yeah, uhh, bad news about that one...
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Jan 13, 2024 19:38
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smoobles posted:how many trees u got fewer than yesterday
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Jan 13, 2024 19:42
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all my trees gone
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Jan 13, 2024 19:49
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Paradoxish posted:Also I'd say we managed to do pretty much everything wrong with COVID and just lucked out that it wasn't much, much worse for us. It's hilarious how much news articles from the 1918 flu mirror modern COVID news. COVID is insanely bad for humans, the cumulative damage of multiple infections will eventually destroy your immune system, but don’t call it airborne AIDS or you’ll make the mods unhappy
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Jan 13, 2024 20:23
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Scarabrae posted:COVID is insanely bad for humans, the cumulative damage of multiple infections will eventually destroy your immune system, but don’t call it airborne AIDS or you’ll make the mods unhappy for gently caress's sake, the cspam covid thread is that way ---->>>>
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Jan 13, 2024 20:34
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Yeah COVID hasn't killed us so far but it's still cookin', much like the planet.
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Jan 13, 2024 20:35
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bobtheconqueror posted:Yeah COVID hasn't killed us so far but it's still cookin', much like the planet. us gov: let it cook
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Jan 13, 2024 20:42
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:new record: love that graph
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Jan 13, 2024 21:45
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:new record: line go up
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Jan 13, 2024 21:53
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code un-loving-believable
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Jan 13, 2024 21:54
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enjoying the dichotomy between the 'we're going to treat climate change like covid, by ignoring it to pretend nothing is wrong' posters and the posters going 'climate change isn't like covid, because i ignored covid and it went away'.
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Jan 13, 2024 22:01
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I do think the wombo combo of Fukuyama-rear end End of History bullshit coupled with all the media going: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=namndS6fvEs with the ozone layer basically fried a ton of gen-x to millennial brains into believing that actually we can really solve anything if it gets bad but lol it was all mostly optics, cuz the ozone hole isn't fixed and worse than ever. we just didn't have anything else to care about after we began the End of History!
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