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mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Texas driving beats the hell out of the the plains states. At least you can drive at a good clip and see desert rock formations, especially in west Texas (West Texas into NM or AZ kind of rules for driving)

Kansas, East Colorado, etc is magnitudes more mind numbing.

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Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



mlmp08 posted:

Texas driving beats the hell out of the the plains states. At least you can drive at a good clip and see desert rock formations, especially in west Texas (West Texas into NM or AZ kind of rules for driving)

Kansas, East Colorado, etc is magnitudes more mind numbing.

North or south through Colorado with the Rockies over your shoulder is nice.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
The Texas panhandle is probably the worst place I've driven through. Miles of scrubland in every single direction.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Acebuckeye13 posted:

The Texas panhandle is probably the worst place I've driven through. Miles of scrubland in every single direction.

I found the panhandle ever so slightly less boring than western Kansas. I-70 is probably the only road I'd consider using a self-driving car on. It's flat and straight and there's nothing but corn and miscellaneous grassland on either side.

Stravag
Jun 7, 2009

My Spirit Otter posted:

ive done this drive punctuated by a 4 hour nap a couple times



I did Dawson city to ottawa, flew to pick up a car in calgary, then drove to ottawa again. And to find hotels to stop at it added another 300 miles or so to the trip. That poo poo sucked and i do not reccomend anyone ever do it solo in a passenger car. The 2 lane 60mph speedlimit highway suuuuucks.

Spoggerific
May 28, 2009
The New Year's Day earthquake in Japan caused the ground to rise significantly in several places, including one harbor that rose nearly 4 meters in height, completely draining it of water. Here's a short article in English about it.





Land rose across some 85 kilometers of beaches across the Noto Peninsula, adding 250 meters of new beach in some places, totaling around 4.5 square kilometers of new land.



Experts are saying that this may have actually prevented a significant amount of damage that would have otherwise been caused by the tsunami, which in some cases reached a height of five meters. Essentially, the upheaval formed a natural seawall. I can't find a good English article on this, but here's a Japanese article, as well as a Youtube video with some maps, diagrams, and pictures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzs2uTlehSw

In particular, at 1:15 they show this map of the peninsula where the earthquake occurred; areas in red are where significant ground upheaval happened, and areas in teal are where tsunami damage was recorded.

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

So what you're saying is


It's free real estate

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

That's a more interesting question than it comes off as. There's probably a trail of case law in Japan and Hawaii and other places about who owns new land out of the ocean - is it the adjacent property owner? the state? how do you handle easements if it's the latter?

e:

quote:

“Rather than allowing only a few of the many lava victims the windfall of lava extensions, this court believes that equity and sound public policy demand that such land inure to the benefit of all the people of Hawaii, in whose behalf the government acts as trustee.”

AreWeDrunkYet fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Jan 13, 2024

Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Fun Shoe

MA-Horus posted:

So what you're saying is


It's free real estate

Lmao

Dum Cumpster
Sep 12, 2003

*pozes your neghole*

MA-Horus posted:

So what you're saying is


It's free real estate

Was thinking it's that earthquakes are the solution to sea level rise.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



So, there actually was a tsunami, but the places it would’ve landed were saved because the ground also rose a few meters and stayed out of the reach of/blocked the waves?

:stonklol:

My Spirit Otter
Jun 15, 2006


CANADA DOESN'T GET PENS LIKE THIS

SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made American Products. Bitch.

Stravag posted:

I did Dawson city to ottawa, flew to pick up a car in calgary, then drove to ottawa again. And to find hotels to stop at it added another 300 miles or so to the trip. That poo poo sucked and i do not reccomend anyone ever do it solo in a passenger car. The 2 lane 60mph speedlimit highway suuuuucks.

man, i've always wanted to go up to the territories. i'm getting my motorcycle back at some point this year so now you've got me wanting to look into the logistics of a motorcycle camping trip up there either this summer or the next.

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007
Wondered why my shitheel GOP congressman was posting about his fealty to Taiwan this morning and found my answer.

Someone talk me out of this being another example of biden having no clue re foreign affairs.

https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-us-does-not-support-taiwan-independence-2024-01-13/

quote:

U.S. President Joe Biden said on Saturday the United States does not support the independence of Taiwan, after Taiwanese voters rebuffed China and gave the ruling party a third presidential term.

Earlier in the day, the Taiwanese ruling Democratic Progressive Party's (DPP) presidential candidate Lai Ching-te came to power, strongly rejecting Chinese pressure to spurn him, and pledged both to stand up to Beijing and seek talks.

"We do not support independence..." Biden said, when asked for reaction to Saturday's elections.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

stealie72 posted:

Wondered why my shitheel GOP congressman was posting about his fealty to Taiwan this morning and found my answer.

Someone talk me out of this being another example of biden having no clue re foreign affairs.

https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-us-does-not-support-taiwan-independence-2024-01-13/

The US has a one China policy and has had that policy for over 50 years. It would be a dramatic departure from US policy if the POTUS did announce a sudden and radical call for Taiwanese independence from China. Taiwan operates as if independent without signaling or declaring official independence from China.

If someone is shocked that the president did not call for Taiwanese independence, that is an example of them being ignorant of US policy, history, and current events. (It would also be shocking and unwelcomed by Taiwan itself if the US suddenly hollered about Taiwanese independence)

It is not helpful that US news seems incapable of reporting the legislative and presidential elections in Taiwan through any lens other than how it relates to US/PRC posturing. But it's probably not exciting for US headlines to address stuff like Taiwanese home prices or something or how a traditionally two-party system has significant gains from a third party, which throws off the balance in an already confusing legislative Taiwanese legislative system.

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

mlmp08 posted:

The US has a one China policy and has had that policy for over 50 years. It would be a dramatic departure from US policy if the POTUS did announce a sudden and radical call for Taiwanese independence from China. Taiwan operates as if independent without signaling or declaring official independence from China.

If someone is shocked that the president did not call for Taiwanese independence, that is an example of them being ignorant of US policy, history, and current events.

It is not helpful that US news seems incapable of reporting the legislative and presidential elections in Taiwan through any lens other than how it relates to US/PRC posturing. But it's probably not exciting for US headlines to address stuff like Taiwanese home prices or something or how a traditionally two-party system has significant gains from a third party, which throws off the balance in an already confusing legislative Taiwanese legislative system.
Ok, thank you.

I'm dumb enough to forget how much of this theater.

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe
:911: "We do not support the independence of Taiwan"

:911: Sells Taiwan a $400,000,000,000,000.00 weapons package that includes Terminators.

:freep: JOE BIDEN CHINA

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
It would be really funny if Taiwan agreed to a price of four hundred trillion dollars and the U.S. accepted an IOU for it.

Debt ceiling solved!

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

fknlo posted:

:911: "We do not support the independence of Taiwan"

:911: Sells Taiwan a $400,000,000,000,000.00 weapons package that includes Terminators.

:freep: JOE BIDEN CHINA

An original part of the “one china” policy is a word game where you never specify whether “China” refers to the PRC or RoC.

quote:

The United States acknowledges that all Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China and does not challenge that position.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
The Two Chinas situation has been such a joke for so long that ¡Jeb!, who is not a young man, grew up hearing his dad refer to his tennis serve as “unleashing Chang”.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Platystemon posted:

The Two Chinas situation has been such a joke for so long that ¡Jeb!, who is not a young man, grew up hearing his dad refer to his tennis serve as “unleashing Chang”.

Looking back at it the world would be a better place if someone 60 years ago had persuaded the Kuomintang to give up on the mainland and just make their own China with blackjack and hookers on the island.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Platystemon posted:

The Two Chinas situation has been such a joke for so long that ¡Jeb!, who is not a young man, grew up hearing his dad refer to his tennis serve as “unleashing Chang”.

Yeah it's a dumb diplomatic dance, but supposedly per Bloomberg business, it's a $10T hit to the global economy in a Taiwan war situation. And it's pretty clear Taiwan isn't going to eventually roll over like Hong Kong was forced to, so worth keeping the peace (and independent Taiwan) for as long as possible.

But America can't exactly say that out loud. Diplomacy!

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
Taiwan had a seat on the security council until Nixon because the UN charter says China gets a seat but doesn’t specify who China is.

The Formosa question goes back to the end of WWII, basically.

lightpole
Jun 4, 2004
I think that MBAs are useful, in case you are looking for an answer to the question of "Is lightpole a total fucking idiot".

facialimpediment posted:

Yeah it's a dumb diplomatic dance, but supposedly per Bloomberg business, it's a $10T hit to the global economy in a Taiwan war situation. And it's pretty clear Taiwan isn't going to eventually roll over like Hong Kong was forced to, so worth keeping the peace (and independent Taiwan) for as long as possible.

But America can't exactly say that out loud. Diplomacy!

How was Hong Kong forced? The UK had a 99 year lease. 1997 was the end of that lease and reverted back to China.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Technically the lease was for the New Territories. Britain owned Hong Kong proper outright.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

lightpole posted:

How was Hong Kong forced? The UK had a 99 year lease. 1997 was the end of that lease and reverted back to China.

But “one country, two systems” was eventually discarded.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

lightpole posted:

How was Hong Kong forced? The UK had a 99 year lease. 1997 was the end of that lease and reverted back to China.

Until ~2019-ish, China let Hong Kong basically self-rule itself. Then they didn't:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_Hong_Kong_protests

https://apnews.com/article/china-hong-kong-beijing-democracy-national-security-9e3c405923c24b6889c1bcf171f6def4

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007




Beijing had also said they'd let "one country two systems" keep going for fifty years before fully integrating HK but Pooh Bear decided he wanted his signature accomplishment to be bringing HK, Macao, and Taiwan back under the full control of Beijing so they jumped it forward a couple of decades.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Wasn't the treaty also supposed to guarantee Hong Kong's legislative and judicial independence for 50 years or something like that?

Everyone I've ever met from Hong Kong is very adamant that they are from Hong Kong, not China.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

psydude posted:

Everyone I've ever met from Hong Kong is very adamant that they are from Hong Kong, not China.

I’ve never met Jackie Chan either.

hypnophant
Oct 19, 2012

lightpole posted:

How was Hong Kong forced? The UK had a 99 year lease. 1997 was the end of that lease and reverted back to China.

Hong kong preferred to remain a british colony. There was very little trust that beijing would respect the free speech, free market, and democracy hong kong enjoyed, which is why the CCP spent so much time promising 一国两制 "one country, two systems" and 五十年不变 "no change for fifty years". Even then, hong kongers, if they had a say, would have demanded a more concrete guarantee than deng's promises.

which, in hindsight,

mlmp08 posted:

I’ve never met Jackie Chan either.

the uber-wealthy in hong kong have been more than happy to throw the laobaixing under the bus in exchange for becoming part of the CCP aristocracy

My Spirit Otter
Jun 15, 2006


CANADA DOESN'T GET PENS LIKE THIS

SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made American Products. Bitch.
i thought they werent loving with macao for money printing reasons

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



My Spirit Otter posted:

i thought they werent loving with macao for money printing reasons

Similar poo poo is happening there with bullshit disqualifying of candidates for office but HK has always enjoyed much stronger brand recognition. Macao has also generally had fewer protests than its neighbor so there have been fewer attention catching crackdowns there.

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!
https://twitter.com/USArmyPSMag/status/1745849356383572413

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007




o7

Pine Cone Jones
Dec 6, 2009

You throw me the acorn, I throw you the whip!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/congressional-leaders-reach-short-term-spending-deal-keep-government-o-rcna133833

"WASHINGTON — House and Senate leaders have reached an agreement on a short-term spending deal that would avert a government shutdown in the next few weeks, three sources familiar with the matter told NBC News."

Steezo
Jun 16, 2003
Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time!



Shame, this was one of the easiest ways to explain maintenance poo poo to boots and officers. Sometimes for poo poo as simple as "yes that sight has two battery slots that need to be filled or it wont turn on" or "yes you have to send the paperwork with the goddamn item or it wont get fixed you goddamned cockslobbering shitwhistle.

Spoggerific
May 28, 2009

Icon Of Sin posted:

So, there actually was a tsunami, but the places it would’ve landed were saved because the ground also rose a few meters and stayed out of the reach of/blocked the waves?

:stonklol:

Yes, pretty much. It looks like ground upheaval may have prevented damage on the northern coast of the peninsula, although there was a lot of damage from the tsunami on the eastern coast of the peninsula. This chart shows GPS measurements for how much the ground moved after the earthquake. The left half shows vertical displacement, and the right half east/west displacement; red means 2+ meters of upheaval on the left map, and dark blue means 2+ meters of westward displacement. Notice how almost the entire northern coast shows some upheaval, and compare that to the map in my earlier post that shows where tsunami damage was recorded.



I made a post a few days after the earthquake stating that there didn't seem to be much damage, but it looks like I spoke too soon. It wasn't like the far-reaching tsunami from 2011 that obliterated entire towns, at least - the damage was mostly limited to within a few hundred meters from the coast. The fault that caused the earthquake and tsunami was also very close to the coast, and in some cases the tsunami reached the shore less than a minute after the earthquake started. The tsunami warning was issued about 5 minutes after the earthquake, so it had likely already reached land before some people had a chance to evacuate. As of this post, the death toll is up to 220 people and 23 people missing.

An example of the damage caused by the tsunami:

https://i.imgur.com/zIm9JLn.png

Image not embedded in case people don't want to see a bunch of destroyed houses.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

F

A Festivus Miracle
Dec 19, 2012

I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

I got a homie who's doing an internship for a fed agency. Because of the way it was funded, every time a US government shutdown comes up, he gets all stoked for his indefinite paid vacation. The fact that he's managed to get cockblocked three times in his June-June year by the most dysfunctional house caucus since like, 1856 is :lol:.

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facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Before the law mandating back pay was signed, there were a lot of feds around me that were a tad leveraged and absolutely wanted to be the ones still working just for the pay guarantee.

Also, not just House GOP losing their minds:

https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1746680874534416540?t=RUEYsL9UGk9g1zOXMGPrew&s=19

It appears that the dude gave up so no killdozering, just some weird skid steering.

https://twitter.com/JeffMcRichards/status/1746680710033789383?t=u1WDFhFC5lr5rU-7awV54w&s=19

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