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I have memories of messing around with the original SimCity a little, but I couldn't even tell you where. But once I got a copy of SC2K for the PlayStation, hoo that was plenty to ensure I would always love building cities. Even though the ports often suffered or had to make sacrifices, the ability of the PS1 to bring so many PC bangers to console gamers was a big strength, especially in the first couple of years. SimCity 2000, Theme Park and Hospital, X-Com, Command & Conquer, Diablo, Civ 2, Warcraft II... the list goes on. I assume PC tech improvements were responsible for the decline in such ports as time passed, I feel like they were really frontloaded in the console's lifespan. I was immensely disappointed when things like X-Com Apocalypse, SMAC, and so on didn't make it over the way their predecessors had. Not like these ever competed with the real titans of the console, but as a kid with a PS and no PC this was a blessing. And now I use a PC to emulate the PS's games. The wheel turns.
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It kinda sucks that the sim city 2000 version on game pass is the dos version. having grown up with sc2k4win its astonishing how much i recoil at the dos version ui/ux
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:It kinda sucks that the sim city 2000 version on game pass is the dos version. having grown up with sc2k4win its astonishing how much i recoil at the dos version ui/ux Give me  or give me death
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Jan 12, 2024 16:49
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Seeing that is like snorting a line of yayo, but also lmfao did Will just arrive to the photoshoot from 1977?
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Jan 12, 2024 19:27
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:It kinda sucks that the sim city 2000 version on game pass is the dos version. having grown up with sc2k4win its astonishing how much i recoil at the dos version ui/ux Actually, come to think of it I seem to recall that that was because sc2k4win is incompatible with 64-bit operating systems in some way, so it's easier to just wrap the DOS version in DOSBox. (I think you can get sc2k4win working but you need third party hacks)
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quote:SimCity chat Well at least we've moved on from discussing Cities Skylines 2, that's got to be a good thing right?
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Ms Adequate posted:Wait did the same guy fix both? Yep.
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dragonshardz posted:Yep. MVP of the SimCity community right there, holy poo poo!
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Jan 13, 2024 02:17
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Seriously impressive work, fixing two insane bugs that had stymied the community for years and years.
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Jan 13, 2024 02:23
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I don't pay attention to the particulars of the SC4 modding scene--on a scale of 1 to Arthmoor, how batshit is that person?
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Eric the Mauve posted:I don't pay attention to the particulars of the SC4 modding scene--on a scale of 1 to Arthmoor, how batshit is that person? About a 1.5; just intensely dedicated to the work.
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Jan 13, 2024 04:54
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I take it from the SimCity 4 posts that they've not fixed the problems with CS2 yet huh
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Jan 13, 2024 05:53
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I like SimCity 3k with the scenarios. There was a cool one where you had to combat pollution in a city, and another where the ice caps melted and you had to maximise the available space
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Jan 13, 2024 06:15
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Reminds me of the guy that hacked the Morrowind exe to also fix a ton of engine bugs. Some modders are just that dedicated.
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Hacking Bethesda games to fix bugs is standard practice since then. A game comes out, people fix what they can with the datafiles and scripts, ultimately it all gets collated into a big popular Unofficial Patch mod that's the first thing it's always recommended to install. Then the silverlock script extender group will hack the engine exe itself to build a script extender to create new hooks to enable better modding and bugfixes. It's pretty standard for more detailed mods to have the game's script extender as a dependency. Not sure who was on the Morrowind one but I know it's been the some of the same people handling the script extender hack from Oblivion all the way up to Starfield. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 12:48 on Jan 13, 2024 |
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Jan 13, 2024 12:42
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And if the game really needs some work done, some crazy bastards might just do a reimplementation, like OpenMW/OpenTTD/OpenXCom, and this will pave the way for tremendous bug fixes and modding potential.
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Horsebanger posted:I like SimCity 3k with the scenarios. There was a cool one where you had to combat pollution in a city, and another where the ice caps melted and you had to maximise the available space Scenarios I feel are underused in this genre. I personally prefer starting off with something pre-made and going from there. So many cities are the way they are because of decisions of the past conflicting with those of the present. Inheriting another's work and having to work around that seems more realistic to me.
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Count Roland posted:Scenarios I feel are underused in this genre. I personally prefer starting off with something pre-made and going from there. So many cities are the way they are because of decisions of the past conflicting with those of the present. Inheriting another's work and having to work around that seems more realistic to me. Those kinds of scenarios are/were bread and butter in Theme Park/Theme Hospital games and in Rollercoaster tycoon/Planet Coaster so it's kind of strange they don't bleed into city sims.
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Count Roland posted:Scenarios I feel are underused in this genre. I personally prefer starting off with something pre-made and going from there. So many cities are the way they are because of decisions of the past conflicting with those of the present. Inheriting another's work and having to work around that seems more realistic to me. Yeah I miss how older city games would come with starter towns. What I really want though, is to be able to start with a tiny pre-made hamlet at a rural crossroads with a rail stop. Having to always start from a huge highway exit unless you’re extensively customizing an map and playing with infinite money sucks in these games.
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The developer that makes a city builder that begins each map by abstracting 2000 years of European city development to start me off with a dense urban core complete with historic buildings and nonsensical medieval streets will inherit all my money.
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Entropic posted:Yeah I miss how older city games would come with starter towns. Same. I find cities look awful when the surrounding area is just empty generic green.
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mrpwase posted:The developer that makes a city builder that begins each map by abstracting 2000 years of European city development to start me off with a dense urban core complete with historic buildings and nonsensical medieval streets will inherit all my money. my comrade do i have a workers and resources game for you (though i do with SR:WR had a bit more robust map generator)
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Yeah W&R has the option of starting with hamlets on the map. If I remember correctly, that’s the only way you can get churches on the map (but im not sure they’re “functional”).
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:my comrade do i have a workers and resources game for you (though i do with SR:WR had a bit more robust map generator) It's worth noting that this also just added something like a scenario mode, and that the main official scenario is essentially post-WW2 redevelopment and integrating existing self-sufficient peasant villages (with a lot of hand-placed features--say, a couple clicks up the road from the recommended start are a few old fields and hedgerows showing where more once were) into utility grids and larger-scale logistics. Definitely worth a try if you're interested in either of those, with the caveats that the game itself isn't particularly interested in historic buildings except as stocks of population to connect up and that modders don't seem to have really touched the scenario tools yet. Churches are functional, though possibly more properly put as "dysfunctional"; I believe it's a similar curve to alcohol, except trading loyalty rather than health for happiness. Mandoric fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Jan 13, 2024 |
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Entropic posted:And holy poo poo, what would I give for a modern version of SimCopter that let you fly around doing little procedurally generated missions in your Skylines city.
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:my comrade do i have a workers and resources game for you (though i do with SR:WR had a bit more robust map generator) I’m glad someone else said this because I feel like I’m already the “actually this game, the one I exclusively post about and have way too many hours in” but W&R hits so many good things. I hoped CS2 could deliver half as much with a much more forgiving and dynamic system for laying infrastructure and that but jury’s still out, I guess.
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How long until publishers just openly crowdsource their development?
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Basscop posted:How long until publishers just openly crowdsource their development? paradox already tried, and while we got some good out of it (darkest hour, arsenal of democracy) it also lead to some really funny things (that cold war game, that one dude who tried to claim that he owned europa universalis)
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:paradox already tried, and while we got some good out of it (darkest hour, arsenal of democracy) it also lead to some really funny things (that cold war game, that one dude who tried to claim that he owned europa universalis) quote:Carlos Rodrigues [Gustavo, which you know as Ubik of Magna Mundi], the programmer that was forcibly committed during 71 days under the Mental Health Act, has decided to sue five of the doctors that were involved in several stages of his clinical process. The first criminal complaint was filed at the Oeiras Court on September 22nd. This is not the first time that compulsively committed people appeal to the courts against this kind of decision. The relatives, who ordered the commitment, defend that Carlos suffers from "delirious disturbances" and that doesn't want to treat himself.
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Mandoric posted:It's worth noting that this also just added something like a scenario mode, and that the main official scenario is essentially post-WW2 redevelopment and integrating existing self-sufficient peasant villages (with a lot of hand-placed features--say, a couple clicks up the road from the recommended start are a few old fields and hedgerows showing where more once were) into utility grids and larger-scale logistics. Definitely worth a try if you're interested in either of those, with the caveats that the game itself isn't particularly interested in historic buildings except as stocks of population to connect up and that modders don't seem to have really touched the scenario tools yet. have they fixed the issue where villages start "waking up" and degrading when you're nowhere close to being able to service the population? I tried playing these inhabited maps before and the villages had mass exoduses because I couldn't give them food or healthcare from the other side of the map also simcity 2013 was pretty good for the first 2 hours of gameplay  guess how long the public beta was?I did like chris tilton's music. all the simcity soundtracks were excellent
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Hah, yeah I remember even at the time of the great debacle, people were like "Music's good though"
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corona familiar posted:have they fixed the issue where villages start "waking up" and degrading when you're nowhere close to being able to service the population? I tried playing these inhabited maps before and the villages had mass exoduses because I couldn't give them food or healthcare from the other side of the map it's much more chill now, awakening happens when they can walk to a jobsite. still gets extremely fiddly with cosmonaut but the main scenario isn't.
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Only one more day until the first Word of the Weeeeek of the year. What tantalizing info will it bring us? More bug fixes? Performance improvements? A release date for mods and asset editors? No good news and more crushing disappointment? Only time will tell! Speaking of scenarios though, those would be cool, and I think that's a big thing SimCities did better that Cities: Skylines is really lacking in, that kind of soft non-simulation gameplay flavour. Stuff to set the mood of the game and bring you a human connection to your city. Starter cities that you have to build around would be real cool, I'm not sure I trust CO to make good ones though.
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piratepilates posted:Only one more day until the first Word of the Weeeeek of the year. What tantalizing info will it bring us? More bug fixes? Performance improvements? A release date for mods and asset editors? No good news and more crushing disappointment? Only time will tell! This seems like a really easy thing for the community to provide. Lots of people make amazing cities-- simply sharing the save file would let others pick up where they left off.
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MikeJF posted:Actually, come to think of it I seem to recall that that was because sc2k4win is incompatible with 64-bit operating systems in some way, so it's easier to just wrap the DOS version in DOSBox. (I think you can get sc2k4win working but you need third party hacks) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klb447IrWqs
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MikeJF posted:Actually, come to think of it I seem to recall that that was because sc2k4win is incompatible with 64-bit operating systems in some way, so it's easier to just wrap the DOS version in DOSBox. (I think you can get sc2k4win working but you need third party hacks) The installer doesn't work on 64bit systems, but the game itself does. You can get around this by using a generic 32bit installshield installer. You'll also need a patched exe because otherwise it doesn't play nice with saving/loading cities. I dived into this a few years ago and posted about it in the SC thread in Retro Games: dolphinbomb posted:So I just spent the last hour searching for how to actually get this running on Windows 10 64 bit, and found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0tuoMlTMts
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piratepilates posted:Only one more day until the first Word of the Weeeeek of the year. What tantalizing info will it bring us? More bug fixes? Performance improvements? A release date for mods and asset editors? No good news and more crushing disappointment? Erm yeah, about that. https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/co-word-of-the-week-8.1621364/ I'm serving my month long ban until tomorrow at 01h12 oh poo poo, maybe I'm part of the toxicity problem? 
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Jonny Shiloh posted:Erm yeah, about that. Yeah the kind of thing I figured from them, another vague pile of nothing, mods still coming out eventually, who knows when, and a nice bow at the end of saying the community for the game sucks again. I don't know what they expect really, the game kinda sucks as is, its clearly unfinished, they won't acknowledge or praise the community that actively exists for it (the third party mods community, people making maps with their unfinished editor, people planning on making assets, the people on the subreddit who are actually still playing the game, the video creators who are all desperately scrounging up some kind of content from this barebones game). We spent the last page in this thread talking about SimCity, and the management games thread's only posts about C:2 are "is it ready yet?" "no, wait a while". If you don't want a toxic community, you have to give a reason for a positive one to still care. Been a month since the last patch and the only update they can give is no update.
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piratepilates posted:Yeah the kind of thing I figured from them, another vague pile of nothing, mods still coming out eventually, who knows when, and a nice bow at the end of saying the community for the game sucks again. This is kind of where I’m at, while I feel for the devs and the toxicity is awful, I don’t know what they expected? The game is clearly 3/4 finished and I don’t think any of us would recommend it as it is. If they really wanted to crack down on toxicity they could offer full refunds regardless of time played, I’d at least take that and feel better about the game overall.
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piratepilates posted:Yeah the kind of thing I figured from them, another vague pile of nothing, mods still coming out eventually, who knows when, and a nice bow at the end of saying the community for the game sucks again. I'm struggling to understand why Mariina's going so hard on this "blame the customer" strategy (there's honestly very little "toxicity" on the PDX forums, the mods are extremely thin-skinned and any sarcasm or criticism tends to get modded out pretty quickly), maybe she's just super-confident they'll regain their numbers once the asset editor etc. and then the console version arrives. I mean, it's a bold move after this poo poo show, she'll have earned her bonus if it pays off I guess. I don't think I've ever been so pissed off at a games company (especially a bunch of Finns, I mean, I love the Finns, they're awesome, if a bit dour). Anyway, it is what it is - I've a ton of city builders to play, CO can go gently caress themselves frankly.
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