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Testicular Torque Wrench posted:My point is that the existential risk of covid is null. The existential risk to civilization was null from the start, at least in terms of acute deaths. That's kind of the whole point. We did very little to mitigate COVID pre-vaccine and we've done effectively nothing to mitigate it post-vaccine, despite the vaccines being non-sterilizing. The question was always how many people can we tolerate killing and it turns out the answer was "a lot." We did so little before we fully understood the risks that following a similar playbook with a more immediately deadly disease probably would have been a civilization-ending event. We're literally still loving around with unclear long-term impacts, to the point that the WHO has had to start saying "hey, uh, maybe stop endlessly infecting yourselves with this still mysterious virus." Our ability to respond to COVID should be really terrifying to anyone who pays attention to climate change.
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Jan 13, 2024 22:42
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That hole in the ozone layer is still there lol
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Jan 13, 2024 22:48
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Colonel Cancer posted:That hole in the ozone layer is still there lol you can make all the CFCs you want as long as they are an intermediate product. now what about escape during manufacturing processes? well we just pretend that doesn't exit
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Jan 13, 2024 22:51
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Colonel Cancer posted:That hole in the ozone layer is still there lol It's a cool place and they say it gets colder You're bundled up now but wait 'til you get older But the meteor men beg to differ Judging by the hole in the satellite picture
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Jan 13, 2024 23:23
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The ice we skate is gettin' pretty thin The water's gettin' warm so you might as well swim My world's on fire, how 'bout yours? That's the way I like it and I'll never get bored
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Jan 13, 2024 23:51
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Paradoxish posted:Our ability to respond to COVID should be really terrifying to anyone who pays attention to climate change. Maybe ability isn't the right word and moreso willingness. We definitely have, or had, the capacity to effectively deal with covid. It simply wasn't done for lack of interest. Maybe this is an academic point and there's no tangible difference in the end. Tolerance to the death of the Others is the entire history of civilization. Edit: I might even add that the ability to tolerate, endure and deal out violence is the single true political measure of a state's strength. It seems that would include violence towards its own citizens. Testicular Torque Wrench has issued a correction as of 00:08 on Jan 14, 2024 |
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Jan 14, 2024 00:05
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yeah this is tucked away in the corner of the nasa ozonewatch site that's what a "fixed" ozone hole looks like. like if you grow a golfball sized tumor in your brain over 15 years, but it's fixed because it stopped growing.
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Jan 14, 2024 00:07
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Mola Yam posted:yeah this is tucked away in the corner of the nasa ozonewatch site so it is as big as it was when we were have supposed to have solved this? lmao
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Jan 14, 2024 00:17
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The emergency was that the hole was spreading and we could lose so much of it we would have drastic impacts to the global population We banned the stuff murdering it before it got that bad, so we won No further questions
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Jan 14, 2024 00:20
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COVID killed 20+ million people so far. It's not quite a success story.
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Jan 14, 2024 00:25
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Jan 14, 2024 00:36
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Jan 14, 2024 00:42
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this is what happens if you vote blue!
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Jan 14, 2024 00:48
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it could start going down, you don't know it doesn't look like the start of a hockey stick at all really
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Jan 14, 2024 01:00
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About that ozone hole... https://www.space.com/ozone-hole-antarctica-three-times-size-of-brazil
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Jan 14, 2024 01:45
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Testicular Torque Wrench posted:Maybe ability isn't the right word and moreso willingness. We definitely have, or had, the capacity to effectively deal with covid. It simply wasn't done for lack of interest. Maybe this is an academic point and there's no tangible difference in the end. We didn't have the capacity to deal with COVID. We were given the opportunity to demonstrate the capacity and we failed. We usually put the impacts of biosphere collapse in these non-human frames: There will be a blue ocean event when sea ice goes under a certain threshold, the thermohaline circulation will abruptly shut down, clathrates will release unfathomable amounts of methane, cloud formation will break down when temperatures pass a certain point. None of these explain what the impact to us is. COVID is what the impact to us looks like. On the slide down we become weaker and more infirm from disease, which makes us unable to perform the mental and physical labor required to keep our structures afloat. We become hungrier and more tired as our access to food and water dries up. We become confused, angry, and demented as we poison our atmosphere in desperate attempts to course correct. Eventually the entire world starts to look like an Alzheimer's patient entering a collective sundown. We are already incapable of dealing with the current amount of adaptive pressure, and the rate of pressure only increases from here; the environment will keep becoming more inhospitable as we become more incapacitated. When adaptive pressure outruns adaptive capacity for long enough, then an extinction event occurs. What you are experiencing now is us sliding toward our extinction, and COVID is a gentle sample of what's to come.
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Jan 14, 2024 02:10
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Colonel Cancer posted:That hole in the ozone layer is still there lol there were a bunch of feel good stories about how it’s gonna be all better by 2040 when in reality it won’t go back to pre-industrial times till like 2200
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Jan 14, 2024 02:32
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shut yer ozone hole, i’m warmin’ in here!
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Jan 14, 2024 02:40
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:We didn't have the capacity to deal with COVID. We were given the opportunity to demonstrate the capacity and we failed. sick
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Jan 14, 2024 02:51
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my crackping about covid and my crackping about the planet are brothers and friends also
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Jan 14, 2024 03:09
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Wait if it gets warm enough won't the ozone "hole" just disperse evenly across the planet, ensuring everything gets continually dosed with dangerous UV instead of keeping the chems locked above the south pole where there's basically nothing to get hit? How warm does it have to get to break the circumpolar trap? Also there's a paper came out saying if average temp hits 47°c this son of a bitch can go venusian, no exaggeration. It has to do with the amount of solar radiation, and once you start getting enough evaporation off the ocean you hit stage one: permanent huge cloud cover at all levels of atmosphere, which makes CO2 hockey stick look like a baby child toy. Water itself is a greenhouse gas, & that amount in the atmosphere is... a lot. The key to this having never happened is plate tectonics keeping things recycled. Stage two is hydrogen dissociation & erosion by solar wind and would take some millions of years, and if this happens it can't be reversed with our understanding of geological cycles.
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Jan 14, 2024 03:18
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RandomBlue posted:About that ozone hole... https://www.space.com/ozone-hole-antarctica-three-times-size-of-brazil fun fact: increased atmospheric methane damages the ozone layer.  so it's probably a good thing that we're not weakening the AMOC right nowquote:The stability of widespread methane hydrates in shallow subsurface sediments of the marine continental margins is sensitive to temperature increases experienced by upper intermediate waters. Destabilization of methane hydrates and ensuing release of methane would produce climatic feedbacks amplifying and accelerating global warming.  https://twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1683857180016140290 lol lmao
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Jan 14, 2024 03:19
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penguins and australians are getting hit
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Jan 14, 2024 03:21
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Rocket launches and stratospheric aircraft deplete ozone as they fly through the layer itself so regardless of chemical releases (imagine all the old units out there ready to leak their freon) it is still being picked apart bit by bit If someone can find the amount by which the Space Shuttle depleted ozone with each flight, I don't recall the exact figure but it seemed absolutely unbelievable and totally unsustainable
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Jan 14, 2024 03:35
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Lol https://twitter.com/dwallacewells/status/1746331606418129005?t=gVa5V16P1t1vEoox91aBLQ&s=19
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Jan 14, 2024 03:45
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Communist Cop posted:Lol finally, American's are realizing that the sun is to blame
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Jan 14, 2024 03:52
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poo poo is getting too scary so time to just stop believing.
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Jan 14, 2024 03:55
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Communist Cop posted:Lol Democrats and independents are becoming less convinced that climate change is caused mostly by humans, while Republican attitudes remain stable.
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Jan 14, 2024 04:03
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Paradoxish posted:poo poo is getting too scary so time to just stop believing. Just. Post.
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Jan 14, 2024 04:04
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Paradoxish posted:poo poo is getting too scary so time to just stop believing. But enough about covid,
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Jan 14, 2024 04:06
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Communist Cop posted:Lol Lol
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Jan 14, 2024 04:07
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it's that time again https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/global/202313 let's check out the damage The year 2023 was the warmest year since global records began in 1850 at 1.18°C (2.12°F) above the 20th century average of 13.9°C (57.0°F). This value is 0.15°C (0.27°F) more than the previous record set in 2016. The 10 warmest years in the 174-year record have all occurred during the last decade (2014–2023). Of note, the year 2005, which was the first year to set a new global temperature record in the 21st century, is now the 12th-warmest year on record. The year 2010, which had surpassed 2005 at the time, now ranks as the 11th-warmest year on record. lol During 2023, each monthly global surface temperature anomaly value ranked among the seven warmest with June through December each ranking as the warmest such month on record. The July global temperature value was likely the warmest of all months on record and the July, August, and September temperature anomalies each exceeded 1.0°C (1.8°F) above the long-term average for the first time on record. The September anomaly value of 1.44°C (2.59°F) was the largest positive monthly global temperature anomaly for any month on record. lmao Global Land +1.79 °C +3.22 °F Warmest 1st 2023 +1.79 °C +3.22 °F Ocean +0.91 °C +1.64 °F Warmest 1st 2023 +0.91 °C +1.64 °F Land and Ocean +1.18 °C +2.12 °F Warmest 1st 2023 +1.18 °C +2.12 °F haha North America's annual temperature was 2.01°C (3.62°F) above the 1910-2000 average and was the warmest year on record. Temperatures across North America varied somewhat throughout the year. Ten of the 12 months had an above-average monthly temperature. The months of May, August, September, and December were warmest on record with July, October, and November ranking as second warmest for their respective months. August 2023 was North America's warmest month of the year with a temperature departure of +1.94°C (+3.49°F), while the largest positive temperature anomaly occurred in December (+4.88°C/8.78°F) surpassing the previous record set in 1939 by a margin of 1.39°C (2.50°F). February was North America's coldest month of the year at +0.61°C (+1.09°F). North America's yearly temperature has increased at an average rate of 0.14°C (0.23°F) per decade since 1910; however, the average rate of increase is more than double the rate (0.34°C/0.61°F) since 1982. wooooo
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Jan 14, 2024 04:22
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Communist Cop posted:Lol COVID-brain - many such cases!
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Jan 14, 2024 04:23
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Trabisnikof posted:Democrats and independents are becoming less Democrats abandoning "core beliefs" the moment they cause inconvenience is a tale as old as time
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Jan 14, 2024 04:24
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even the minimizers have to agree poo poo is hosed https://www.drroyspencer.com/2024/01/uah-global-temperature-update-for-december-2023-0-83-deg-c/ 2023 Was the Warmest Year In the 45-Year Satellite Record ... The 2023 annual average global LT anomaly was +0.51 deg. C above the 1991-2020 mean, easily making 2023 the warmest of the 45-year satellite record. The next-warmest year was +0.39 deg. C in 2016. The following plot shows all 45 years ranked from the warmest to coolest. that's a full tenth of a degree Celsius above the previous annual anomaly even from UAH
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Jan 14, 2024 04:27
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The political reality of climate change is also totally untenable for most Americans. If it's true that: 1) Climate change is an existential threat 2) Climate change is caused by humans 3) Climate change requires immediate and drastic action Then it also has to be true that the party of the Good Guys should be taking that immediate and drastic action. If they're not then it's only logical to assume that climate change doesn't matter or it isn't our fault. Nothing else is possible. It is impossible that the Democrats are simply not acting to solve a problem that, at a minimum, will kill a shitload of people. I'm not the bad guy, I voted.
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Jan 14, 2024 04:29
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Evil_Greven posted:even the minimizers have to agree poo poo is hosed It's really fun to visualize it 
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Jan 14, 2024 05:29
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Also put a line for the preindustrial average
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Jan 14, 2024 05:35
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industrial society started in 1991
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I wanna see how far off the left it would be
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Jan 14, 2024 05:44
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