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NeonPunk
Dec 21, 2020

https://twitter.com/MeetJess/status/1746361490226151645

Seems like this is probably a bad sign

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Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

You have a kind of sick desperation in your laugh.


Ramrod XTreme
That's a lockdown.

Baykin
Feb 11, 2008

Why Am I So Tired posted:

It's worth a shot giving https://www.test2treat.org a shot - on the webforms answer that you don't have insurance and that you're not confident you can get a doctor visit immediately and that you have comorbidities etc. Eventually you'll get asked to choose a pharmacy - select their mail to home option (GoGo Meds iirc). As far as I know, that's still free.

It might take them a few hours to get back to you, or you might get lucky and they'll approve it instantly. But you should have Paxlovid at your door within a day or two.

wanted thank everybody once again, test2treat ended up being the winner for me. the paxlovid is on its way. i just hope it gets here sooner than later.

Rescue Toaster
Mar 13, 2003

Medical personnel unable to cough directly into the mouth of the vulnerable people they're providing care for?

Is this life even worth living? When is the cure worse than the disease, huh?

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

Baykin posted:

wanted thank everybody once again, test2treat ended up being the winner for me. the paxlovid is on its way. i just hope it gets here sooner than later.

:toot: May your case be swift and mild.

Deep Dish Fuckfest
Sep 6, 2006

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Toilet Rascal

Asproigerosis posted:

Oh I think this patient has a CVST, weird. I remember all the times I've seen this with influenza, very mild if you think about it.

lol i looked up cvst and the wikipedia article has exactly one mention of covid, about how "inflammatory response and prolonged immobilization" might increase the chance of clot formation

oh and then an entire section about how covid vaccines might also cause blood clots

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?
I am glad to see someone return to the light of masking. I thought it was interesting. Ymmv :shrug:

https://kansasreflector.com/2024/01/12/disconnected-covid-19-caution-is-not-enough-we-have-to-practice-lasting-community-care/ posted:

Disconnected COVID-19 caution is not enough. We have to practice lasting community care.
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Personally, I’m up to date on vaccines, and, as an introvert, I often social distance without question. Admittedly (and ashamedly), though, I have not been masking while in public as frequently as I should, given our worsening reality over recent weeks. Unsurprisingly, my lax behavior resulted in me contracting COVID–19 for the second time, and considering my health care crisis last year, this behavior was negligent.

More than that, I’m frustrated with myself for failing to act in ways that upheld my principles and values, which are rooted in collectivity and community care. Fortunately, a loving friend reminded me that none of this is our fault as individuals. For almost half a decade, we have all been largely left alone to navigate COVID-19 and its ever-changing manifestations, which is both unfair and detrimental to public health.
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Deep Dish Fuckfest
Sep 6, 2006

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Rescue Toaster posted:

Medical personnel unable to cough directly into the mouth of the vulnerable people they're providing care for?

Is this life even worth living? When is the cure worse than the disease, huh?

if i ever call an ambulance and the emts show up wearing masks you can bet your rear end i'm not moving an inch until they send another one with people who aren't living in fear. same thing with firefighters; no way someone wearing a mask is brave enough to run into a burning building to save people, and i'm not gonna help some third rate firefighter meet their performance metrics for the quarter, no sir!

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

Pingui posted:

I am glad to see someone return to the light of masking. I thought it was interesting. Ymmv :shrug:

tell me in 1000 words or more how you hosed around and found out. see you next year!

I actually don’t know what to do with this kind of mea culpa. wait and see if actions follow words, as usual I guess.

I mean, she wrote some really nice words before too https://issuu.com/kendracomms/docs/bwb_x_dj_fact_sheet you know?

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

tuyop posted:

tell me in 1000 words or more how you hosed around and found out. see you next year!

I actually don’t know what to do with this kind of mea culpa. wait and see if actions follow words, as usual I guess.

I mean, she wrote some really nice words before too https://issuu.com/kendracomms/docs/bwb_x_dj_fact_sheet you know?

For me it comes down to the current fork in the road, that I think the ~15% that took COVID seriously beyond what they were told, stands before right now. Where either you double down or you drop every precaution and distance yourself from precautions (see former posters itt).

As the relative weight of the two groups determines the ease with which we can continue masking while building some kind of community, while potentially reaching new people, I think it is pretty important for everyone here.

That doesn't really have much to do with this specific person and I suppose part of the interest in the piece - for me - is that it confirms what I figured would happen this winter. The anecdotal story is ~whatever~, but the underlying pattern and thought process is very interesting.

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

pikachu looking at?

rip soon from immunity debt

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe
I guess I don’t see much thought process here at all. why did this person stop “masking in public as frequently as [she] should”? no reflection is on display in the article as far as I can tell. it reads to me like a bunch of loosely related buzzwords after she admits to loving around and gets reassured that it’s not her fault she found out. she doesn’t deal with the reasoning that got her sick - assuming her actions led to this, I don’t know if her lovely housing got her or something - so I don’t know whether to take anything else she reasons about seriously.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

NeonPunk posted:

Lol. No. None at all. There's absolutely nothing at all

I suppose that’s better (for me) than her not being allowed to fly back to Canada.

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

tuyop posted:

I guess I don’t see much thought process here at all. why did this person stop “masking in public as frequently as [she] should”? no reflection is on display in the article as far as I can tell. it reads to me like a bunch of loosely related buzzwords after she admits to loving around and gets reassured that it’s not her fault she found out. she doesn’t deal with the reasoning that got her sick - assuming her actions led to this, I don’t know if her lovely housing got her or something - so I don’t know whether to take anything else she reasons about seriously.

But that's exactly why I find it interesting. Like she nominally understands that she wasn't doing the right thing and understood it at the time. She gets that it was systemically and personally negligent, yet ditched the mask anyways. She got burnt, which led her to change, sure. But more interestingly, she seems to be attempting to internalize that practicing what you preach requires personal sacrifice. Which is about as much as we could wish for.

The thing is, there are many others like her. If you want to get people to join, these are the people you need to convince or rather, they are the low-hanging fruit. Understanding the drivers and levers of people like her is what is needed. Are her thoughts consistent? What were her arguments against rationality (implicit and explicit)? What made her change? etc. are all important questions to understand and answer, to be able to do that.

Strep Vote
May 5, 2004

أنا أحب حليب الشوكولاتة
The first thing my professor said to both of my classes on Friday was, "it's not Covid" and my spouse hasn't seen his new boss in two weeks. I really like both of them, this sucks!

Asproigerosis posted:

More and more covid encephalopathy, and an awful lot of myelopathy symptoms in covid infected patients. drat these lockdowns are a silent killer.

Oh I think this patient has a CVST, weird. I remember all the times I've seen this with influenza, very mild if you think about it.

Every "worst headache I've ever had in my life" report gives me the willies. perhaps u felt the bony grip of the reaper my friend? is what I never say.

Rochallor
Apr 23, 2010

ふっっっっっっっっっっっっck
One of the pluses of chronic headaches is that you never have to wonder if that headache is caused by covid!

Also that you never have a headache debt.

Gunshow Poophole
Sep 14, 2008

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Clapping Larry
I play the classic game from Milton Bradley "Hangover or Covid?" All the time im something of an expert

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words

Steve Yun posted:

thank you she’s in Queens

googled the hotline, passed the info to her
For anyone else in the city, it’s 212-COVID-19, call early and often.

For your friend, they might suggest heavily that she pick it up from a local pharmacy. The issue is those pharmacies might well be out of pax. Instead she can say she wants it from their affiliated delivery pharmacy, which is Alto, but it’s good to know to ask — they won’t always explicitly offer it as an option.

fosborb
Dec 15, 2006



Chronic Good Poster

Baykin posted:

once again thank you all.

im going through the process of signing up to try this, and i just had to comment and laugh at the fact that this medical website is asking me for my astrological sign of the zodiac

hey Baykin, did you manage to get through the provider/insurance nightmare yet?

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

COVID, now and ever unto the ages of ages. amen
EID Journal Dispatch: Experimental SARS-CoV-2 Infection of Elk and Mule Deer

afludiary.blogspot.com posted:

Zoonotic Disease Pathways

While governments and health agencies have declared the COVID emergency to be over - and the public clearly longs to put our protracted pandemic behind us - SARS-CoV-2 continues to evolve, adapt, and expand its host range.

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Numerous variants of SARS-CoV-2 now circulate - alongside MERS-CoV, and dozens of other coronaviruses - in scores of mammalian species, all following divergent evolutionary paths (see Nature: Comparative Susceptibility of SARS-CoV-2, SARS-CoV, and MERS-CoV Across Mammals).

https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2023/01/nature-comparative-susceptibility-of.html

Which means the possibility exists that another radically different COVID variant could eventually emerge - possibly from a non-human host - for which we humans have little or no immunity.

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The SARS-CoV-2 virus was undiscovered until it emerged in late 2019, but scientists had been warning of some thing `like it' for years (see 2016's PNAS: SARS-like WIV1-CoV Poised For Human Emergence).

In October of 2019, a novel coronavirus (CAPS - Coronavirus Acute Pulmonary Syndrome ) was selected as the fictional pandemic pathogen in a major tabletop exercise (see JHCHS Pandemic Table Top Exercise (EVENT 201) Videos Now Available Online).

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While SARS-CoV-2 is exquisitely adapted to human hosts, it has also branched out to other mammals, and we've seen evidence that the virus can mutate and evolve in those non-human hosts and then spill back into humans. 

In late 2020 we saw SARS-CoV-2 jump from humans to farmed mink in Denmark, spread like wildfire, mutating into new mink-variants (see Denmark Orders Culling Of All Mink Following Discovery Of Mutated Coronavirus), several of which spilled back into the community.

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That emergency was short-lived since the Alpha variant emerged in Europe in late 2020 and quickly supplanted those mink variants. But since then, we've seen repeated spillovers into mink (see Eurosurveillance: Cryptic SARS-CoV-2 Lineage Identified on Two Mink Farms In Poland).

In late 2021 a new, and highly divergent Omicron virus emerged in South Africa, and while unproven, there is plausible scientific evidence to suggest it may have first evolved in rodents (see Maryn McKenna's Wired article Where Did Omicron Come From? Maybe Its First Host Was Mice).

This theory is backed up by several studies, including:

We've also seen evidence that older COVID variants - including those no longer circulating in humans - can be maintained in other host populations (see PNAS: White-Tailed Deer as a Wildlife Reservoir for Nearly Extinct SARS-CoV-2 Variants), and may then follow new, and divergent evolutionary paths. 

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All of which brings us to a new EID Journal Dispatch, published this week, on the experimental infection of Elk and Mule Deer with SARS-CoV-2, which - unlike White-Tailed Deer (WTD) - have not previously been identified as susceptible species.  

While Elk were not particularly susceptible to the virus, Mule deer proved to be a far better host. 

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Volume 30, Number 2—February 2024

Dispatch

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Author affiliations: US Department of Agriculture, Fort Collins, Colorado, USA (S.M. Porter, J.J. Root); Colorado State University, Fort Collins (A.E. Hartwig, J.M. Marano, A.M. Bosco-Lauth); University of Queensland, St Lucia, Queensland, Australia (H. Bielefeldt-Ohmann)

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Abstract

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To assess the susceptibility of elk (Cervus canadensis) and mule deer (Odocoileus hemionus) to SARS-CoV-2, we performed experimental infections in both species. Elk did not shed infectious virus but mounted low-level serologic responses. Mule deer shed and transmitted virus and mounted pronounced serologic responses and thus could play a role in SARS-CoV-2 epidemiology.

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Conclusions

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If wildlife populations serve as maintenance hosts for SARS-CoV-2, the implications could be substantial. The persistence of virus variants already displaced in the human population, virus evolution, and spillback into a human have all been suggested to have occurred in white-tailed deer populations (11,12), although it is still unclear whether those deer will serve as maintenance hosts of the virus. Evaluating the susceptibility of other cervid species to SARS-CoV-2 will help direct surveillance efforts among free-ranging wildlife, which are key to understanding the epidemiology of SARS-CoV-2 and implementing control measures.

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We used the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2 to challenge animals in this experiment on the basis of evidence that this variant of concern was prevalent in white-tailed deer populations (13). Our results indicate that although elk seem to be minimally susceptible to infection with the Delta variant, mule deer are highly susceptible and capable of transmitting the virus. Inoculated elk showed no clinical signs, did not shed infectious virus, and mounted low-level humoral titers. The genomic RNA recovered from elk could represent residual inoculum. Infection in mule deer was subclinical, and although immune activation in the absence of frank inflammation was observed in respiratory tissues from 4 of the 6 animals, that finding may or may not be linked to SARS-CoV-2 infection. Of note, all mule deer used in this study were incidentally tested to assess their chronic wasting disease (CWD) status. Animals no. 1 and 3 were CWD positive, although it is unlikely that a concurrent infection with CWD greatly affected their susceptibility to infection with SARS-CoV-2 because only 1 of those animals became infected with SARS-CoV-2 while the other was the sole mule deer in our study that did not.

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Experimental infection of elk and mule deer with SARS-CoV-2 revealed that although elk are minimally susceptible to infection, mule deer become infected, shed infectious virus, and can infect naive contacts. Mule deer are less widely distributed than white-tailed deer but still represent a population of cervids that is frequently in contact with humans and domestic animals. Therefore, susceptibility of mule deer provides yet another potential source for SARS-CoV-2 spillover or spillback. At this time, there is no evidence that wildlife are a significant source of SARS-CoV-2 exposure for humans, but the potential for this virus to become established in novel host species could lead to virus evolution in which novel variants may arise. Therefore, continued surveillance of species at risk, such as white-tailed and mule deer, is needed to detect any variants quickly and prevent transmission.

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Dr. Porter is a science fellow with the National Wildlife Research Center at the US Department of Agriculture. Her research interests include the pathogenesis and transmission of infectious diseases. 

While the significance of SARS-COV-2 susceptibility in mule deer may be slight, the entrenchment of SARS-COV-2 into so many different non-human hosts raises the distinct possibility that - very much like with novel influenza - COVID may evolve and `reinvent' itself in other hosts at irregular intervals, and then spill back into humans. 

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Since COVID is already well adapted to mammals, it may even be capable of sparking more frequent pandemics than does novel influenza.  Time will tell.

The uncomfortable truth is we now live in a new age where the the number, frequency, and intensity of pandemics are only expected to increase over the next few decades (see PNAS Research: Intensity and Frequency of Extreme Novel Epidemics).

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Which is why we should be preparing seriously now, lest we risk being caught flat-footed and unprepared.

mags
May 30, 2008

I am a congenital optimist.

seems like a fine not big totally ok deal and the new normal

jetz0r
May 10, 2003

Tomorrow, our nation will sit on the throne of the world. This is not a figment of the imagination, but a fact. Tomorrow we will lead the world, Allah willing.



hello, i would like funding to infect new species with sars2. i am totally not 150lbs of covid inside a trenchlabcoat.

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
From this day in 2022

fosborb
Dec 15, 2006



Chronic Good Poster
lol thank you for the djokovic memory

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
There's really a little something for every one of the 4 horsemen threads in that image.

fosborb
Dec 15, 2006



Chronic Good Poster
haha yeah the completely fabricated organized theft by The Foot Clan story too. amazing time capsule

Poppers
Jan 21, 2023

Nothing like a rave at 10am :) They had auras for people too

Bastard Tetris
Apr 27, 2005

L-Shaped


Nap Ghost

silicone thrills posted:

From this day in 2022



lmao

Kragger99
Mar 21, 2004
Pillbug

silicone thrills posted:

From this day in 2022



Novax Djocovid.

toggle
Nov 7, 2005

silicone thrills posted:

From this day in 2022



ahh those halcyon days

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

Frosted Flake posted:

My SIL went to NYC over the weekend “for the vibes”, and apparently has covid, so stay away from the MET and MOMA.

The reason for my posting is, I thought you couldn’t travel with symptoms or a positive case? I hate air travel as it is and always catch a cold, but they’re still taking some precautions, right?

lol.

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

Frosted Flake posted:

My SIL went to NYC over the weekend “for the vibes”, and apparently has covid, so stay away from the MET and MOMA.

The reason for my posting is, I thought you couldn’t travel with symptoms or a positive case? I hate air travel as it is and always catch a cold, but they’re still taking some precautions, right?

lmao. lol.

Mola Yam
Jun 18, 2004

Kali Ma Shakti de!
if you're not a covid thread sicko then "well someone must be in control of this thing. there must be some rules." is a reasonable thought

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
My boss once got a plane absolutely hacking her lungs out and feverish for a conference in like 2017. Which gave me a horrible infection that took me 3 months to clear.

They're taking exactly the same precautions they did in 2017. No one cares about anything. If you die on the plane just make sure you are quiet about it.

U-DO Burger
Nov 12, 2007




Frosted Flake posted:

My SIL went to NYC over the weekend “for the vibes”, and apparently has covid, so stay away from the MET and MOMA.

The reason for my posting is, I thought you couldn’t travel with symptoms or a positive case? I hate air travel as it is and always catch a cold, but they’re still taking some precautions, right?

thanks FF, I needed that laugh

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words
Felt a little bad about skipping my friends’ kid’s first birthday party, about 10 people in their apartment. Not two hours after it ended, someone is hitting the group chat with “so I just tested positive but…”

Soap Scum
Aug 8, 2003



silicone thrills posted:

My boss once got a plane absolutely hacking her lungs out and feverish for a conference in like 2017. Which gave me a horrible infection that took me 3 months to clear.

They're taking exactly the same precautions they did in 2017. No one cares about anything. If you die on the plane just make sure you are quiet about it.

I was on a long haul flight years back where a very elderly passenger died mid-flight and they had to make an emergency landing in Alaska to handle it

so actually please try to die within 30 minutes of your scheduled arrival

Soap Scum
Aug 8, 2003



Mola Yam posted:

if you're not a covid thread sicko then "well someone must be in control of this thing. there must be some rules." is a reasonable thought

do non sickos also think there's a manager of climate change and poo poo

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

You have a kind of sick desperation in your laugh.


Ramrod XTreme

Soap Scum posted:

do non sickos also think there's a manager of climate change and poo poo
If there were a problem, someone would do something.

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Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
I think climate and covid thread posters are different groups because you have a budget for digesting grim reality and it starts to stretch thin.

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