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Jan 15, 2024 04:03
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Jan 15, 2024 04:08
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That’s like a parody of a bad response! Holy poo poo.
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Jan 15, 2024 04:10
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Yikes, what the hell was she talking about? She was just rambling. Will this effect the trial set for this summer? Will the trial even happen?
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Jan 15, 2024 04:17
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this was part of her address to a church congregation as part of a service, so the context sort of makes sense, but yeah not the most reassuring public statement
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Jan 15, 2024 04:20
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alf_pogs posted:this was part of her address to a church congregation as part of a service, so the context sort of makes sense, but yeah not the most reassuring public statement The article fills in more details about what she was saying. It seems like more of a general commentary on the pressures and stress of dealing with a high-profile case and trying to live up to everyone's expectations. She wasn't specifically addressing the accusations.
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Jan 15, 2024 04:27
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Deteriorata posted:The article fills in more details about what she was saying. It seems like more of a general commentary on the pressures and stress of dealing with a high-profile case and trying to live up to everyone's expectations. She wasn't specifically addressing the accusations. It's a quote that can be used into perpetuity. Context doesn't matter.
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Jan 15, 2024 04:34
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I figured when she didn’t immediately come out denying it that it was probably true. Sounds like that’s the case. Just the worst possible decision making, totally tanking one of the most important cases in the country. If she benefited off of this at all I hope they prosecute and throw her rear end in jail
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Jan 15, 2024 04:44
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Shooting Blanks posted:It's a quote that can be used into perpetuity. Context doesn't matter. She isn't really a political figure though? Yeah Republicans will throw poo poo fits over the optics, but they'd do that anyways. The whole situation is really binary. She either did the poo poo she is accused of and the judge borks the whole case by throwing it to some DA with trump ties or she didn't do it/the judge doesn't care. The one advantage of this actually (finally) ending up in the courts is that optics matter less than facts.
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Jan 15, 2024 05:36
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I wonder how Aileen Cannon will help Trump even more this year. This one drives me nuts because he clearly had those classified records in his bathroom, yet she will find a way to delay the trial. I was hoping at least 1 trial would happen this year, but I'm not sure now.
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Jan 15, 2024 06:23
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Caros posted:She isn't really a political figure though? She's the district attorney of the largest county in Georgia, prosecuting a case against a former president of the united states. How could she be more of a political figure?
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Jan 15, 2024 06:40
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So GA's dead in the water, FL's going to get delayed into oblivion, NY's going to get lost in the appeal process, even if Carroll takes him to the woodshed again it won't be a huge number. Looks like ol' Trump's wriggled out of yet another one en route back to the White House. Who woulda thunk it.
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Jan 15, 2024 07:02
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C. Everett Koop posted:So GA's dead in the water, FL's going to get delayed into oblivion, NY's going to get lost in the appeal process, even if Carroll takes him to the woodshed again it won't be a huge number. pretty sure GA will be fine and NY is fine too.
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Jan 15, 2024 07:08
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C. Everett Koop posted:So GA's dead in the water, FL's going to get delayed into oblivion, NY's going to get lost in the appeal process, even if Carroll takes him to the woodshed again it won't be a huge number. Way would you even think that? There's been no sign whatsoever that the NY case is any danger.
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Jan 15, 2024 07:41
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C. Everett Koop posted:So GA's dead in the water, FL's going to get delayed into oblivion, NY's going to get lost in the appeal process, even if Carroll takes him to the woodshed again it won't be a huge number. And the DC case?
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Jan 15, 2024 10:27
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Lmao the morons that took plea deals in georgia already.
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C. Everett Koop posted:So GA's dead in the water...
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The Artificial Kid posted:I’ve never understood why the answer should be no. The framers don’t seem like they thought the president was better than other people. The corollary of the “no” position is that the congress and senate can de facto allow the president to shoot someone on fifth avenue and get away with it. Pretty simple. The Framers valued democracy—a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state—above the whims of a fallible justice system. If the majority of the American populace decides that they want to elect a convict to public office, who are you to tell them “no”? Vox Populi, Vox Dei
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The Top G posted:Pretty simple. The Framers valued democracy—a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state—above the whims of a fallible justice system. If the majority of the American populace decides that they want to elect a convict to public office, who are you to tell them “no”? Edit - do you accept that felons should be able to vote? The Artificial Kid fucked around with this message at 13:54 on Jan 15, 2024 |
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Jan 15, 2024 13:45
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The Top G posted:Pretty simple. The Framers valued democracy—a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state—above the whims of a fallible justice system. If the majority of the American populace decides that they want to elect a convict to public office, who are you to tell them “no”? Are you being sarcastic? This is the literal opposite of what they believed.
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Jan 15, 2024 14:14
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Cimber posted:Doing a bit of poking around on google, it seems that That 6 months looks to have an "unless the court has directed" and given that at least in the Carrol case he's been convicted once already and is being tried again for defamation I cannot see a judge going "hmmm ok let's give him six months to see what happens". Same for Engoron, the judgement is already there so it's just damages so either he pays up or files an appeal but why give him six months for that? He's pissed the judge off already and if he's innocent he should file one immediately, he's a billionaire so he can pay the bond I'm sure! e: quote:(a) provide that, except where the Court has directed that an appeal be perfected by a particular time, a civil appeal must be perfected within six months from the date of the notice of appeal or the appeal is deemed abandoned and dismissed. Powerful Two-Hander fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Jan 15, 2024 |
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Jan 15, 2024 14:19
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JohnClark posted:She's the district attorney of the largest county in Georgia, prosecuting a case against a former president of the united states. By being an actual politician? Yes her position is elected (loving why?!) but she isn't going to be up for election before this resolves one way or the other. My point was that this isn't a case where the optics ultimately matter, just the law. Buttery Emails was damaging because that issue was ultimately settled by vote, while this one will be settled in court.
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It just continues to be a news vacuum until the judge in the case actually says anything.
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Jan 15, 2024 14:48
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PainterofCrap posted:He has no money of his own. His only source for loans was Deutsche Bank, and there's waaaay too much light shining on TRump & the banks at the moment. Its not entirely unsubstantiated the owners of many Trump towers and Trump whatevers are Russian businessmen with close ties to organised crime, the Russian government or both. The book Putin's people has an entirr chapter dedicated to documenting Russian businessmen using Trump akin to how they use Swiss and Austrian private members banks and companies that don't seem to exist or do anything.
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Its not six months, it's on notice. https://courtbondnow.com/appeal-bonds/when-are-appeal-bonds-filed-and-stays-go-into-effect/quote:in New York and New Jersey, there’s what’s called “no safe days,” which means that once a judgment is entered, the other side can execute the judgment — unless it’s bonded and there is a notice of appeal filed. A notice of appeal and a bond need to be filed because the bond is pursuant to an area of law, so if only one or the other is filed, there is no stay. In New York state, CPLR 5519 grants an automatic stay, which goes into effect once both the bond and notice of appeal are filed. There is no safe harbor, while he has 30 days notice of appeal the order is not stayed by that alone. So effectively his deadline is immediately, depending on what assets the state decides to seize and how fast they can get that process moving. E: Or a court can order a stay when he files the appeal.
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Baka-nin posted:Its not entirely unsubstantiated the owners of many Trump towers and Trump whatevers are Russian businessmen with close ties to organised crime, the Russian government or both. The book Putin's people has an entirr chapter dedicated to documenting Russian businessmen using Trump akin to how they use Swiss and Austrian private members banks and companies that don't seem to exist or do anything. Don Jr openly stated most of their assets were tied to Russian benefactors back in 2008 https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-jr-said-money-pouring-in-from-russia-2018-2?r=US&IR=T Meanwhile members of the Russian mafia were headquartered three floors below Trump's penthouse in Trump Tower a decade ago https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...v-a7642851.html
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The Artificial Kid posted:I’ve never understood why the answer should be no. The framers don’t seem like they thought the president was better than other people. The corollary of the “no” position is that the congress and senate can de facto allow the president to shoot someone on fifth avenue and get away with it. Probably the same reason that members of Congress can't be arrested on some charges while attending Congress or traveling to or from Congress: arresting the legitimately elected representative of the people hurts the electorate that person represents, not just the politician themselves, and there's even the possibility of politically-motivated prosecutions being used to temporarily prevent a legislator from attending important votes on a particular issue. The Constitution doesn't explicitly provide for presidential immunity, but the courts have established some level of it all on their own. Though the caselaw is a complex and tangled mess, as court after court struggled to balance the need to protect the political system from excessive judicial interventions with the need to leave openings for "but what if the president does something really bad?".
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Fell Fire posted:Are you being sarcastic? This is the literal opposite of what they believed. I believe The Top G:s shtick is dropping into random threads to drop random trolls. But I actually believe that the USSC could come out with that decision. Even though it's not true and they have absolutely used the opposite logic in the past.
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Caros posted:By being an actual politician? The attorney general concentrates the peoples power to bring lawsuits directly under the law. While private persons must establish standing, standing for the attorney general is presumed, the attorney general must only demonstrate a reasonable case exists under the law, typically through a grand jury. This is in contrast to the original common law's open standing, where anyone could prosecute a criminal case*. Having the attorney general indirectly elected or appointed subjects it to party pressure, though in effect the party system has hollowed out direct elections too. Note this is a hybrid with the crown prosecutors, being a position the republic has no basis for. Mostly it's just to keep court dockets from having to consider a billion nothing lawsuits from random people with dashcam footage of illegal merges. *Terms and conditions apply. who actually can appear before the court changes as solicitors and barristers become real professions.
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Caros posted:By being an actual politician? I just have to be direct here I guess; she absolutely is a politician. She's elected to office, and her decisions do a great deal to determine how the lives of the people who elect her unfold. If that's not a politician, again, I don't know what is. As for why this matters, just look at what DeSantis did to some of the DAs in Florida. A douchebag who's widely viewed as a RINO like Brian Kemp could easily look at these facts and decide he can score some points by loving with her/removing her entirely. I don't know how much Georgie law empowers him to do so, but if it does the chance that he will is much higher now.
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Jan 15, 2024 17:50
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All we need is Willis to become the subject of a GA State legislature witchhunt/impeachment inquiry. Doesn't matter if she did or did not gently caress that guy who may or may not be married. What matters is that this will suddenly get tarnished and ran through the gutter and juries hear this poo poo.
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Jan 15, 2024 18:25
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Joe Tacopina out of Trum's defense team in NYC https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/15/us/politics/tacopina-trump-lawyer.html
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JohnClark posted:I just have to be direct here I guess; she absolutely is a politician. She's elected to office, and her decisions do a great deal to determine how the lives of the people who elect her unfold. If that's not a politician, again, I don't know what is. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one the ironies in this whole saga is that Trump can't be confident in Republican Party support in Georgia because his shenanigans directly cost the Georgia Republican party two(?) Senate seats? And I thought Kemp himself hates Trump and might not piss on him even if he was on fire.
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Nervous posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one the ironies in this whole saga is that Trump can't be confident in Republican Party support in Georgia because his shenanigans directly cost the Georgia Republican party two(?) Senate seats? And I thought Kemp himself hates Trump and might not piss on him even if he was on fire. The party leaders and apparatus may want to ditch and/or get back at him, but the voters overwhelmingly support him and there's only so much the party can do to buck its base And if the nevertrumpers leave the party, that will just lead to them getting replaced with alwaystrumpers and Georgia gets that much worse
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mobby_6kl posted:Joe Tacopina out of Trum's defense team in NYC Adios, Joe Tapioca
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haveblue posted:The party leaders and apparatus may want to ditch and/or get back at him, but the voters overwhelmingly support him and there's only so much the party can do to buck its base Since Trump was declared the loser in Georgia, two Democrats took statewide elected Senate seats away from the GOP (Warnock won two separate elections, a special election against the Trump-endorsed Kelly Loeffler in 2021, and then a wider victory over the Trump-endorsed Herschel Walker, Jon Ossoff just the one against David Perdue), and Brian Kemp, shitbag that he generally is, defeated Stacey Abrams in a 2018 rematch in 2022 by a wider margin. Kemp was full-on endorsed by Trump in 2018, but by 2022 Trump and company had spent a year calling for his resignation and/or imprisonment, and Trump jokingly endorsed Stacey Abrams over Kemp at rallies and supported Purdue trying to primary Kemp out of the gubernatorial race. I'm not really sure how any of this reflects the overwhelming majority of Georgia voters loving Trump? Or Kemp having any sense of obligation to buddy up with Trump/Trump voters. Kemp is also term-limited from running in 2026. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Jan 15, 2024 |
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Not all of Georgia voters, no, but all of Georgia’s republican voters. I should have been clearer, sorry
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haveblue posted:Not all of Georgia voters, no, but all of Georgia’s republican voters. I should have been clearer, sorry To be clear, Kemp is an absolute ghoul and him callowly reversing course would not shock me. He's still a Republican politician in 2024. But I also don't think him kissing the ring is a fait acompli.
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