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DaysBefore posted:Maybe 15,000 northmen have died altogether mostly in Robb's failed war which is hardly depopulation. Stopped reading after that but I can only assume that's the only weird statement in the essay which is otherwise totally sane and correct I had to stop copying it because it Just. wouldn’t. End. Seriously that was only about a quarter of this persons deranged “theory” https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/194kguu/from_the_winds_of_winter_to_the_call_of_cthulhu/ https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/194kh4j/from_the_winds_of_winter_to_the_call_of_cthulhu/
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I had to stop copying it because it Just. wouldn’t. End. Seriously that was only about a quarter of this persons deranged “theory” Didn't Jaime beat Cthulhu a decade ago?
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I've been watching youtuber react channels who are watching GoT for the first time as background noise. The first 3 seasons are so, so good. Season 4 you can already start to see the cracks forming in things like Karl Fookin Tanner, and how much time they spend on Ramsey/Theon, who come to dominate much of seasons 4/5/6. But the rest of it is still mostly top tier. Season 5 is a noticeable step down from 4 and it only gets worse from there.
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I remember reading that most of Tywin's 'success' was rolling back all peasant freedoms the earlier kings had granted, which made lords happy and kept rebellions to a minimum since they could just drive their slaves harder. If I had to pick, give me a Martell in the driver's seat. They seem glad to let their people just be horny and eat spicy food, and think twice before sending them to die in wars over getting some inbred cousin a bigger back yard.
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th3t00t posted:I've been watching youtuber react channels who are watching GoT for the first time as background noise. The ranking of seasons by how good they are is literally
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I’m divided on 1/2/3. Weird opinion but two is my top pick ONLY IF it’s a no-Dany fan cut
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I've read the books, so I didn't invest in the show because I knew it had a poo poo ending anyway. I enjoyed watching my girlfriend enjoy the show at first and how disappointed she got with the ending
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3 and 4 are best because Charles Dance and Pedro Pascal are absolute scene stealers, and in CD's case, he really starts to come to the fore instead of being in it sometimes. There's no point in watching past them, and 1 and 2 are also top class.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:3 and 4 are best because Charles Dance and Pedro Pascal are absolute scene stealers, and in CD's case, he really starts to come to the fore instead of being in it sometimes. Yeah. I tried re-watching recently and got halfway through season 5, thought "I miss Tywin and Joffrey" and never continued my viewing. Charles Dance steals the scene every time, the man is dangerously charismatic, even in his late 70s. (For those of you who have BBC iPlayer, go watch him in Agatha Christies' And Then There Were None,, or Charles Dickens Bleak House, he plays terrifying lawyers in both of them and is incomparably upper class and monstrous and you cannot take your eyes off him, even when all he is doing is sitting very still)
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Anders posted:I've read the books, so I didn't invest in the show because I knew it had a poo poo ending anyway. I enjoyed watching my girlfriend enjoy the show at first and how disappointed she got with the ending Were you disappointed with the book ending?
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Josuke Higashikata posted:3 and 4 are best because Charles Dance and Pedro Pascal are absolute scene stealers, and in CD's case, he really starts to come to the fore instead of being in it sometimes. The Red Wedding is literally the quality terminator for both the show and the books. It really is amazing how once you go beyond it, both GRRM and the two dipshits just lose interest in the story completely. Only Dumbass and Dickwhistle didn't have the freedom to just laze out and not finish the show like His Hugeness did with the books so they HAD to press onward even if it meant giving less and less of a poo poo about everything and trying to eye any exit they could (The Confederacy show, Star Wars, Leslie Jones Netflix specials, The Three Body Problem, that Will Smith vs. Slightly Younger Will Smith movie, etc.). nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Jan 15, 2024 |
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mewse posted:Were you disappointed with the book ending? Nah, it really picked up again once the Space Marines arrived
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Irisi posted:Yeah. I tried re-watching recently and got halfway through season 5, thought "I miss Tywin and Joffrey" and never continued my viewing. Charles Dance steals the scene every time, the man is dangerously charismatic, even in his late 70s. He's also great in Ali G in da House as the Prime Minister of Wales.
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nine-gear crow posted:The Red Wedding is literally the quality terminator for both the show and the books. It really is amazing how once you go beyond it, both GRRM and the two dipshits just lose interest in the story completely. Only Dumbass and Dickwhistle didn't have the freedom to just laze out and not finish the show like His Hugeness did with the books so they HAD to press onward even if it meant giving less and less of a poo poo about everything and trying to eye any exit they could (The Confederacy show, Star Wars, Leslie Jones Netflix specials, The Three Body Problem, that Will Smith vs. Slightly Younger Will Smith movie, etc.). It's definitely the apex of the franchise, but I think the rest of Storm is a slow descent in quality. Feast and Dance are like a vertical drop from Storm generally. The parts of the show that are still Storm after season 3 are the same. The feast/dance bits are big drop and the OC donut steel bits are an infinite void of terrible
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Irisi posted:(For those of you who have BBC iPlayer, go watch him in Agatha Christies' And Then There Were None,, or Charles Dickens Bleak House, he plays terrifying lawyers in both of them and is incomparably upper class and monstrous and you cannot take your eyes off him, even when all he is doing is sitting very still) https://youtu.be/9yzQd28aFqQ?si=wG8Z97XwqnjZwltV
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Charles Dance is too charismatic. Tywin has no good qualities in the books.
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NikkolasKing posted:"Realism" never mattered much to me but I remember when I did care about ASOIAF all the nerds online told me the Dothraki actually suck and would be no threat at all against Westerosi armies. And I remember asking about the "boiled leather" that kept coming up in teh books and was told it was a real thing but nobody would be doing it when they have actual metal armor. The funniest thing about the Dothraki is that they somehow couldn't beat Unsullied armies because I guess they just charge walls of pikes over and over hoping the enemy breaks even though they're a not-Mongols culture who know full well how to operate as mounted archers but apparently don't do so against pike walls because????
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It really is incredible how D&D had zero idea how to take the story forward after Storm of Swords. I'm convinced the line that GRRM gave them the broad outlines of where the story was going was a lie - I'm pretty sure he has no idea where the story is going and thats a big part of why he's not writing. The changes they made to the story gets worse and worse. In seasons 1-3, many of the changes were economical and sometimes for the better - like the conversations they invented between Robert and Cersei. But they steadily got worse, starting with Robb's new wife, changes to the Essos storyline and hit their nadir with the Sand Snakes (not like they had good material to work with in the first place). I would say that Season 6 does tick up a little bit in my eyes - if I remember my seasons right - Jonathan Pryce is a scene stealer as well even though everything they do with the Faith as a proto-fascist gang is...bizarre. But everything after Cersei blows up the Sept and...for some reason...becomes the Queen Tyrant Bitch of the Universe is nonsensical within the logic the show had established for itself. After that is sub-fanfic poo poo.
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The entire Reach and Dorne armies disappear despite having done no significant fighting Dothraki respawn No elephants Platystemon posted:Charles Dance is too charismatic. Mutton chops Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Jan 17, 2024 |
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It is really funny d&d fumbled the free stinger of faegon existing but still put the golden company in cause ???
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I watched the series once when it came out, so I'm the fortunate son that doesn't remember more than the general plot. I don't understand your masochism, willingly exposing yourself to the visual equivalent to sniffing petrol and butyric acid
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Mike N Eich posted:It really is incredible how D&D had zero idea how to take the story forward after Storm of Swords. I'm convinced the line that GRRM gave them the broad outlines of where the story was going was a lie - I'm pretty sure he has no idea where the story is going and thats a big part of why he's not writing. Yeah, the show was good while they could more or less adapt the books 1-1, adding a few scenes here and there But than the 2 last books are much harder do adapt to TV. Like the Dorne stuff, which was mostly bad in the books too and anyway pretty hard to picture in TV format, adapted it became one of the worst things Ive ever saw in TV And than they ran out of books
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ItohRespectArmy posted:It is really funny d&d fumbled the free stinger of faegon existing but still put the golden company in cause ??? The Aegon plot in the books is bad, but in comparison to late‐season GoT, it’s practically Hamlet.
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ItohRespectArmy posted:It is really funny d&d fumbled the free stinger of faegon existing but still put the golden company in cause ??? At that point, they were mining the books for whatever scrap or tidbit of content they could throw on the screen to add some meat to the skeleton GRRM gave them. Gotta give Jaime/Bronn something to do? They meet, um, the Sand Snakes! Mercenary company comes to join the war? It's the Golden Company! That apprentice maester in the background of a scene? Might be Pate, or the assassin wearing his face!
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Platystemon posted:The Aegon plot in the books is bad, but in comparison to late‐season GoT, it’s practically Hamlet. And also, importantly, while the Aegon plot in the books loving sucks, it certainly appears to be critical to the ending, so if you're removing it you have to replace it with something else. "Everyone just kinda drifts into Daenerys's orbit" was never going to be a satisfying replacement even if they wrote it well, which they didn't.
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ItohRespectArmy posted:It is really funny d&d fumbled the free stinger of faegon existing but still put the golden company in cause ??? I think that says a lot more about how nothing the Aegon plotline is going to be imo. Same with Catelyn
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DaysBefore posted:I think that says a lot more about how nothing the Aegon plotline is going to be imo. Same with Catelyn I don't get why they ignored the whole subplot with Wyman Manderly and the whole "THE NORTH REMEMBERS" thing that was, in my opinion, one of the highlights of the last book. You could have surely spun a bit more plot around certain Northern houses being loyal to the Starks, plotting madly against the Boltons in 14 different ways as the snows build up around Winterfell and everyone goes stir-crazy and paranoid and more murderous than previously. (And then Manderly bakes some Freys into pies, which I suppose they used for Arya in the show, oh well) D&D obviously preferred writing about the politics than the magic. They could have got a much more fun Northern politics subplot out of certain lesser Houses of the North rising up against the Boltons and then starting to fracture afterwards over who should be the Head Stark in the North: Sansa or Jon Snow. And then Bran shows up with his head full of greenseer weirdness and all the factions start to get even more fractious. It'd have given Littlefinger something to do in Season 6/7, turning all the factions against each other in his own inimitable fashion instead of that crummy rubbish in Season 7 where he ineptly plays Arya and Sansa against each other.
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Mike N Eich posted:It really is incredible how D&D had zero idea how to take the story forward after Storm of Swords. I'm convinced the line that GRRM gave them the broad outlines of where the story was going was a lie - I'm pretty sure he has no idea where the story is going and thats a big part of why he's not writing. I don't know, the major plot beats late in the show (daenarys goes mad, arya kills the night king, bran takes the iron throne) are disjointed and weird, and it feels like they could be out of place *because* they were from a GRRM outline without any supporting material
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Elias_Maluco posted:But than the 2 last books are much harder do adapt to TV. Like the Dorne stuff, which was mostly bad in the books too and anyway pretty hard to picture in TV format, adapted it became one of the worst things Ive ever saw in TV One of my favorite dumb Dorne things is that Areo Hotah is initially made out as some amazing bodyguard and IIRC the books mention, multiple times, how he does not trust the Sand Snakes at all. Yet in the show he's killed off as part of the most blatant assassination plot imaginable in no small part because he's caught flat-footed by a group of people he is always on guard around.
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Irisi posted:It'd have given Littlefinger something to do in Season 6/7, turning all the factions against each other in his own inimitable fashion Littlefinger’s plot armor is ridiculous. If D&D were good, they would have had Tyrion orchestrate his death in season 2. Because they are not good, they couldn’t rewrite after a change like that, and they needed to milk all the material that Martin wrote.
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Platystemon posted:Littlefinger’s plot armor is ridiculous. If D&D were any good, Littlefinger wouldn't have needed that plot armor. They could have kept to his book characterization where almost all the other characters see him as genuinely charming and mostly harmless and even the ones who see through that still don't realize the extent of his scheming, instead of making him the most obvious creepy schemer to ever creepily scheme.
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Speaking of Doofus and Dimbulb, they've finally started giving interviews about Game of Thrones again after hiding from the press for five years now that they have to junket for Three Body Problem and they've finally issued a mea culpa for what they should have done differently: https://www.ign.com/articles/game-of-thrones-creators-wish-theyd-brought-back-a-long-forgotten-character More Mord. I love that these guys are such big dumb douchebags that they literally break Hanlon's razor, so you can't tell if they're just trolling people or if they really ARE that loving stupid.
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 posted while doin field exercises in the actual factual steppe and imma reiterate that book and show Drogo, I wouldn’t wannaput on a shirt either if I was built like that, but fucks sake I’m huddled to another dude and in five layers and my beard is still frozen to my balls Wear a shirt my khal
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nine-gear crow posted:Speaking of Doofus and Dimbulb, they've finally started giving interviews about Game of Thrones again after hiding from the press for five years now that they have to junket for Three Body Problem and they've finally issued a mea culpa for what they should have done differently: Those dudes are loving idiots and so are you for not recognising an obvious joke.
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Knuc U Kinte posted:Those dudes are loving idiots and so are you for not recognising an obvious joke. Those bellends could tell a loving Aristocrats jokes and I wouldn't find it the least bit humorous so, eh
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disaster pastor posted:If they tried to tell an Aristocrats joke, they'd leave out the punchline. [in the voice of the late great Gilbert Gottfried] ANYWAY, SO THE DAUGHTER KIND OF FORGOT ABOUT WHY SHE WAS BLOWNG THE DOG'S rear end in a top hat AND THEN
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