UKMT Winterval 2023/24 - Zero-Tolerance Zones in Hotpot Areas

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sebzilla: Mar 17, 2009; Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.

Tigey posted:

Just steal a swan instead

If you draw a cock and balls on a swan and successfully put it in a ballot box without being stopped by the police you automatically win the election

# ? Jan 16, 2024 17:52

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# ? May 24, 2024 07:16

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Goon Project '24

# ? Jan 16, 2024 17:54

big scary monsters: Sep 2, 2011; -~Ｓｋｕｌｌｗａｖｅ~-

kecske posted:

I'm going to write a tedious christmas cracker tier joke on it

I too am just going to transcribe my posts onto the ballot.

# ? Jan 16, 2024 17:55

Bobstar: Feb 8, 2006; KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

This reminded me, I went down a rabbit hole earlier and discovered that Comirnaty, the brand name on the Pfizer vaccine, "represents a combination of the terms COVID‑19, mRNA, community, and immunity"

Drug naming is silly.

Also I Did My Own Research on this "Humza Haroon Yousaf" character

and it turns out none of his names mean any kind of fish

# ? Jan 16, 2024 17:57

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Bobby Deluxe posted:

^^^ it's called ukip

I have often joked that a progressive says the police should not be able to kill black people with impunity, the far right says they should be able to kill as many as they want, and so the centrist arrives at the compromise that they should be able to kill some black people with impunity.

But gently caress me that's a little on the nose.

That metaphor only works if you're one of the ones who can make it home, and also doesn't mention having to rebuild the house and shower when you get there because Snowpiercer drove through it.

Right, and even those numbers were mitigated by having a free at point of use NHS - which was struggling, admittedly, but it was there and not fully privatised. There is no loving way that's not the first thing sold off to pay the bills.

And that's assuming a best case scenario where someone like the IMF steps in. If we're talking societal collapse proper, what happens to all the people explicitly supported by the state? People who need medicines to survive? Hell post-brexit ADHD meds have been on short supply and that has turbofucked a lot of people who were otherwise functioning.

And that's with the best case scenario where an external government steps in to intervene. What if you get actual societal collapse? Not even the few remaining scraps of the welfare system? No public transport? No supply chains at all for vital goods? People with dietary restrictions will remember how their needs were first on the chopping block when the supply chains got hairy.

I'm only writing this from the perspective of someone with asthma who's going to be struggling to breathe come the glorious revolution - there are people who kind of need the whole society thing to keep ticking over, and not just the sick and vulnerable. People who live in remote villages or outside of larger towns. People who's jobs just disappear from under them. We already know how people who fall into the current vestigial welfare system are far more likely to die.

With no welfare system at all, their deaths are going to make austerity and covid look like a speedbump compared to the statistical cliff-face even a partial collapse will represent.

Again this is not a personal attack on you but on the general idea that societal collapse would be good for everyone, or even the majority, because it's generally quite an ableist position - the people calling for societal collapse know (or at least think) they'd survive it.

I don't think it's ableist in the sense of being actively hateful, it just omits disabled and diversely abled people in its reasoning, which is kind of the definition of ableist.

Like yes, societally we are all treading water right now, but the thing is that when you stop treading water you generally drown. A small amount might swim to a tropical paradise, sure, but hearing that is no comfort to the vast majority who won't.

I don't think I'd survive societal collapse. Or at least I think it's far from guaranteed. I simply hope people would do something before it got that bad. Look, I'm a goon who lives in a village in one of the most remote & least densely populated parts of the UK, the mere smell of meat in a supermarket makes me want to boke, I rely on my free prescription from the NHS/Scottish Government because it's about the only thing keeping me from giving into horrible depression at quite how bleak our society is, I have no money, no valuables & the survival instincts of a new-born. I'd be hosed. Which I think shows how bad I think it is & how small the chances of it getting better without some horrible disaster occurring. The Russians in 1917 didn't need to get to a point where society actually collapsed, & lots of them thought the Tsar was the actual representative of god on earth. Even the British will have a break point. Or maybe they don't, but that's a particularly bleak prospect & I'm not sure the British are special enough to be that pathetic.

I dunno, I just look for sources of hope because the current is loving awful, dreadful, with no actual prospect of improvement but without things being so bad so fast that people even notice as it gets worse & worse. I tried electoralism, it got me more depressed than I have been since the independence referendum failed. So I think more & more that revolutionary ideas are at least optimistic, & it's very difficult to live without hope, been there, tried that, didn't like it. Maybe that makes me ableist I guess. I kind of don't care? Maybe I should, maybe it makes me a crummy person, but I sincerely believe that we're headed to the bottom, yes, that horrendous scenario you painted & the only way people will notice it's happening is if capital gets carried away & goes too fast. Fast enough for people to get angry & try to force change, precisely because I want to see things get better for the most vulnerable, the least well off. I just accept that will be a messy process. When has a content society had a revolution from below? We don't live in a free enough society for socialism to come from the ballot box because the consensus manufacturing machine acts like anyone outside of an incredibly narrow band of ideas is a nutter

# ? Jan 16, 2024 18:02

Failed Imagineer: Sep 22, 2018

Maybe the ideal for the UK would be a Belgian-style 652 days without a government. No reason to think people wouldn't just carry on regardless. Heck, 1 of the 4 countries hasn't had a government for 712 days so they'd probably get by.

# ? Jan 16, 2024 18:16

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

Tesseraction posted:

heartbreaking, worst person you know

love his main criticism of churchill being, of all possible criticisms of churchill, blaming him for the end of the british empire, which definitely was a thing it would have been good to keep going. he's right about the pedos at least

# ? Jan 16, 2024 18:21

WaffleACAB: Oct 31, 2010

I'm just going to vote Green, in a very safe Labour seat. Like someone said earlier, at least Labour might see more votes for Greens and think that maybe they should focus on the environment more

# ? Jan 16, 2024 18:26

domhal: Dec 30, 2008; 0.000% of Communism has been built. Evil child-murdering billionaires still rule the world with a shit-eating grin. All he has managed to do is make himself *sad*. It has, however, made him into a very, very smart boy with something like a university degree in Truth. Instead of building Communism, he now builds a precise model of this grotesque, duplicitous world.

dadrips posted:

I'd love to see a tory try to defend having some pork-faced thug who's lived in Tenerife on a diet of Carling and fried breakfasts for two decades having more influence over the British electoral process than many Europeans who've lived, loved and paid taxes here for an equally long period

a tory posted:

Europeans who've lived, loved and paid taxes here can't have more influence over the British electoral process than pork-faced thugs who lived in Tenerife on a diet of Carling and fried breakfasts for two decades.

# ? Jan 16, 2024 18:38

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Angepain posted:

love his main criticism of churchill being, of all possible criticisms of churchill, blaming him for the end of the british empire, which definitely was a thing it would have been good to keep going.

Winston Churchill 🫱🏻‍🫲🏿 Blackface Theatre
racism, travel on expenses, burnt cork

# ? Jan 16, 2024 18:39

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Angepain posted:

love his main criticism of churchill being, of all possible criticisms of churchill, blaming him for the end of the british empire, which definitely was a thing it would have been good to keep going. he's right about the pedos at least

I feel like if you're in Russian politics right now you are probably in favour of having an empire.

# ? Jan 16, 2024 18:43

History Comes Inside!: Nov 20, 2004

dadrips posted:

I'd love to see a tory try to defend having some pork-faced thug who's lived in Tenerife on a diet of Carling and fried breakfasts for two decades having more influence over the British electoral process than many Europeans who've lived, loved and paid taxes here for an equally long period

Defend it against who? Nobody in a position to do so in a useful manner is ever gonna question that.

# ? Jan 16, 2024 18:46

kingturnip: Apr 18, 2008

Failed Imagineer posted:

Maybe the ideal for the UK would be a Belgian-style 652 days without a government. No reason to think people wouldn't just carry on regardless. Heck, 1 of the 4 countries hasn't had a government for 712 days so they'd probably get by.

Unironically this.
Let public services do their thing without some coke-fiend minister spewing actively harmful proclamations every few weeks and things would tick along quite nicely, for the most part.

# ? Jan 16, 2024 18:57

sebzilla: Mar 17, 2009; Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1747316809991118964

# ? Jan 16, 2024 19:03

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Let's Go Brendan!

# ? Jan 16, 2024 19:06

smellmycheese: Feb 1, 2016

A huge loss to politics

# ? Jan 16, 2024 19:16

Dead Goon: Dec 13, 2002; No Obvious Flaws

I'm not sure if I am imagining this happening, because I can never find anything when I try searching for it, but post-Blair (I think) there was a general dissatisfaction with all the political parties (Lib Dems were still an actual thing then) as it was felt they were all the same and there was no actual choice between them all.

So there was the "Spoilt For Choice" campaign, which encouraged everyone to spoil their ballot to show how dissatisfied they were, as spoilt ballots are counted and not turning up isn't (obviously).

So I have been doing that ever since. No cock and balls, just a big "SPOILT FOR CHOICE" scrawled across the ballot.

I did stop doing this in 2017 and 2019.

Time to start again.

# ? Jan 16, 2024 19:30

Tigey: Apr 6, 2015

Failed Imagineer posted:

Maybe the ideal for the UK would be a Belgian-style 652 days without a government. No reason to think people wouldn't just carry on regardless. Heck, 1 of the 4 countries hasn't had a government for 712 days so they'd probably get by.

Wasn't this basically Theresa May's 'government' after the 2017 election?

# ? Jan 16, 2024 19:54

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

They just look like a pair of thugs.

# ? Jan 16, 2024 20:03

EvilHawk: Sep 15, 2009; LIVARPOOL!

Klopp's 13pts clear thanks to video ref

None of the rebel MPs amendments have passed and the biggest rebellion was 58 (plus 2 tellers), lol.

# ? Jan 16, 2024 20:03

Wachter: Mar 23, 2007; You and whose knees?

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

They just look like a pair of thugs.

Is that a greater than operator?

# ? Jan 16, 2024 20:07

smellmycheese: Feb 1, 2016

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

They just look like a pair of thugs.

The Kunt Twins

# ? Jan 16, 2024 20:10

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

That's the same guy faceapped to be old.

# ? Jan 16, 2024 20:11

fuctifino: Jun 11, 2001

https://twitter.com/Duffycaramole/status/1747288192527528261

# ? Jan 16, 2024 20:15

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Dead Goon posted:

So there was the "Spoilt For Choice" campaign, which encouraged everyone to spoil their ballot to show how dissatisfied they were, as spoilt ballots are counted and not turning up isn't (obviously).

I mean spoiled ballots do seem to be the best way of skewing the statistics in any meaningful way. If you vote for the least worst option, they take that as approval. If you don't vote, they say you're lazy. But there's not really any other way of interpreting someone who comes all the way out to the polling station just to tell everyone to gently caress off. Especially if they do one of those weird charts with the arrows all going into each other to show who moved to which party and it's all red > grey.

# ? Jan 16, 2024 20:48

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

I mean they usually just interpret that as "we won anyway and we're not changing policies even if we lose"

I don't think there is much evidence to suggest that politicians are receptive to the desires of the electorate.

# ? Jan 16, 2024 21:05

sebzilla: Mar 17, 2009; Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.

Bobby Deluxe posted:

I mean spoiled ballots do seem to be the best way of skewing the statistics in any meaningful way. If you vote for the least worst option, they take that as approval. If you don't vote, they say you're lazy. But there's not really any other way of interpreting someone who comes all the way out to the polling station just to tell everyone to gently caress off. Especially if they do one of those weird charts with the arrows all going into each other to show who moved to which party and it's all red > grey.

I tried to find one of those (Sankey diagrams) for 2019 recently and they only seemed to cover people who voted in both elections. No new voters, no non-voters, no dead.

# ? Jan 16, 2024 21:19

Noxville: Dec 7, 2003

Can�t believe there are still people coming in here saying how important it is to vote Labour to Get The Tories Out. Anyone who has paid any attention to politics for the last 5 years, the last 10 years, the last 20 years and can still say that is loving deluded.

# ? Jan 16, 2024 21:30

Supeerme: Sep 13, 2010

This thread moves faster than Starmer's u-turns on policies. I try to vote for the Greens but if they aren't running here then I'll just spoil my vote.

# ? Jan 16, 2024 21:40

Tedsville: Aug 21, 2020; Huffing Mr Sheen to make the phone calls go away

sebzilla posted:

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1747316809991118964

And nothing of value was lost.

# ? Jan 16, 2024 21:55

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Noxville posted:

Can�t believe there are still people coming in here saying how important it is to vote Labour to Get The Tories Out. Anyone who has paid any attention to politics for the last 5 years, the last 10 years, the last 20 years and can still say that is loving deluded.

The genius of liberal democracy is that it is always able to say something like "Okay, if you don't like what the Tories have done for the last 14 years, vote for another party. You have to give Labour a chance before you resort to anything drastic, we have a system that lets us change things without violence or revolution." Many people aren't equipped with the political tools to pick apart the problems with that line of thinking and, ultimately, a lot of people do agree that a bad situation you can theoretically make better through totally peaceful and legal means is preferable to whatever would happen if the system genuinely collapses or implodes.

# ? Jan 16, 2024 22:27

NotJustANumber99: Feb 15, 2012; somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Noxville posted:

Can�t believe there are still people coming in here saying how important it is to vote Labour to Get The Tories Out. Anyone who has paid any attention to politics for the last 5 years, the last 10 years, the last 20 years and can still say that is loving deluded.

ok. but if people do vote labour then the tories will be out? yeah?

# ? Jan 16, 2024 22:39

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

The point of disagreement is the notion that doing that is important.

# ? Jan 16, 2024 22:42

sebzilla: Mar 17, 2009; Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.

NotJustANumber99 posted:

ok. but if people do vote labour then the tories will be out? yeah?

Yeah but then what?

# ? Jan 16, 2024 22:42

NotJustANumber99: Feb 15, 2012; somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

sebzilla posted:

Yeah but then what?

er... stuff?

# ? Jan 16, 2024 22:48

Julio Cruz: May 19, 2006

if people vote Labour then the blue Tories will be out

# ? Jan 16, 2024 22:52

Disproportionation: Feb 20, 2011; Oh god it's the Clone Saga all over again.

I don't plan to vote labour, but even if I did though if someone from labour canvassing or whatever asked I'd just lie to them and say I was going to vote for someone else; there's not much point in letting them know they can rely on you to bend over backwards for them, even if you think you have to (you don't), and in some closer seats it might even be strategically useful for next time.

# ? Jan 16, 2024 22:54

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

NotJustANumber99 posted:

ok. but if people do vote labour then the tories will be out? yeah?

No, and that's the point. The word "Tory" comes from an Irish word roughly meaning "bandit", which has been co-opted by the Conservative Party but is not theirs. So every Conservative is a Tory, but not every Tory is a Conservative. Starmer's Labour are absolutely Tories; they just have a different rosette on.

# ? Jan 16, 2024 22:55

NotJustANumber99: Feb 15, 2012; somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Jedit posted:

No, and that's the point. The word "Tory" comes from an Irish word roughly meaning "bandit", which has been co-opted by the Conservative Party but is not theirs. So every Conservative is a Tory, but not every Tory is a Conservative. Starmer's Labour are absolutely Tories; they just have a different rosette on.

Yes. Whatever nonsense you're spouting is definitely what people mean when they say tory

# ? Jan 16, 2024 22:58

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# ? May 24, 2024 07:16

Pistol_Pete: Sep 15, 2007; Oven Wrangler

sebzilla posted:

Yeah but then what?

That gruesome bunch regularly appearing on TV to say how terribly, terribly sad it is that we have to do ever-more austerity, while their eyes shine with glee.

# ? Jan 16, 2024 23:05

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