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Inept posted:Wait if it requires RT how is the minimum a GTX 1080 or RX 5700? Is the fallback just really ugly? I haven't paid attention to that game. It does software ray tracing using shaders on GPUs without hardware RT acceleration. The trick is to use a very simplified BVH and trace as few rays as possible on low settings.
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I think "performance without RT" is a valid metric, and throwing RT titles into that seems to defeat the purpose.
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I guess if I were to do it, I'd just set each game to their Ultra preset, turn off any upscaling that was automatically enabled, and then let whatever happens happen. If some of those games turn on RT effects, so be it. You can do separate pure raster and pure RT tests for academic reasons, but most people who play games just turn on a graphics preset of their choice and start playing, and review benchmarks should be able to tell them how each GPU stacks up to each other in those conditions. Manually turning back down some settings because a certain vendor can't run them well or throwing the results from entire games out as Tom's Hardware did seems disingenuous to me.
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TheFluff posted:You got Ti and Super the wrong way around, it's 4070 Ti > 4070 Super > 4070 (and then the 4070 Ti Super will slot in at the top, replacing the regular 4070 Ti). The 4070 Ti is 6-16% ahead of the 4070 Super, that is. Ack, even listened to it a few times to try and get it right. Now I know what Steve always feels like  Also, seconding the positive Everspace 2 talk. Lots of systems with weirder environments as it goes along, but I did play the first zones like 3-4 times in the beta versions!
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TheFluff posted:You got Ti and Super the wrong way around, it's 4070 Ti > 4070 Super > 4070 (and then the 4070 Ti Super will slot in at the top, replacing the regular 4070 Ti). The 4070 Ti is 6-16% ahead of the 4070 Super, that is. You have to be kidding me. Is this what marketing brain looks like?
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buglord posted:You have to be kidding me. Is this what marketing brain looks like? Brain?
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I have to believe the names are intentionally over complicated. What benefit Nvidia, or any other company with similarly badly named products, actually derive from that I have no idea; but you don't just "accidentally" have a product stack this confusing.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I think it's time for GN to overhaul their test suite. They test too few games, and some of the games are pretty dated. Shadow of the Tomb Raider in a 2024 GPU benchmark? Really? It goes back to that argument about whether testing repeatable games that "show scaling" is more important than testing the games people actually want to play in the settings they want to play them at. GN's methodology vids make it clear that they are fully using the former, while HUB tends to favor the latter. I don't think either methodology is itself wrong... games that scale well likely are better analogues for future performance or "all things being equal" generic workloads, for example. But I do think the over-reliance on scaling happy games gives people Quake3 Syndrome where people used to run out to buy games based on Q3 timedemo scores despite Q3 being the only game that actually scaled like that. If you really want to maximize your purchase dollar, I think you have to weigh both.
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Branch Nvidian posted:I have to believe the names are intentionally over complicated. What benefit Nvidia, or any other company with similarly badly named products, actually derive from that I have no idea; but you don't just "accidentally" have a product stack this confusing. The 4070ti was supposed to be the 4080 12GB which is somehow both more and less confusing than the 4070ti.
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Lockback posted:The 4070ti was supposed to be the 4080 12GB which is somehow both more and less confusing than the 4070ti. 4080 16GB Super and 4080 12GB Super (now with 16GB of VRAM). Honestly having a 4070 Ti in the product stack isn't the confused part, it's having the 4080 Super, 4080, 4070 Ti Super, 4070 Ti, 4070 Super, and 4070 all being on shelves at the same time while the old stock dries out. I've had to explain to one person already that for this generation "Ti" is a tier and "Super" indicates an increased performance refresh, but not to the point of exceeding another tier in the stack. Branch Nvidian fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Jan 16, 2024 |
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Branch Nvidian posted:4080 16GB Super and 4080 12GB Super (now with 16GB of VRAM). I can't believe I am doing this, but in some defense of NVidia, having a lineup refresh and retiring an old line means you will have some overlap. To wait until the old lineup completely dries out would be worse for the consumer. So I think "The 4080 and the 4070ti are getting retired and shouldn't be bought unless they are like 30%+ below MSRP" is probably the only advice you need to give. The 4080S, 4070ti-S, 4070S, 4070 is not, like, crystal clear but generally I think the progression makes sense. Personally I'd pretty stoked the 4070S seems to be a bigger uplift than originally anticipated, the 4070ti might look even better.
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Lockback posted:I can't believe I am doing this, but in some defense of NVidia, having a lineup refresh and retiring an old line means you will have some overlap. To wait until the old lineup completely dries out would be worse for the consumer. It's jus the naming scheme that I find is confusing people. I understand with and agree with what you're saying, as someone who keeps up with all this garbage to also know what is going on with what product. And I likewise agree that the 4070S turned out better than I was expecting it to, and I'll be extremely excited/happy if the performance improvements of the 4070 Ti Super and 4080 Super are even greater leaps (especially the 4080 Super at a reduced price from what it's replacing, now that's a good deal).
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Nvidia said the 4070 Super would see a 15% average improvement over the 4070, the 4070 Ti Super would be 10%, and the 4080 Super would be 3%. That seems pretty much spot on for the 4070 Super, so I suspect that estimate will be accurate for the others too. The 4080 Super exists solely so Nvidia can promote a $1000 4080 in a way that would get more attention than if they had done a normal price cut.
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PittTheElder posted:Does Everspace 2 ever get better than the first few missions? I played the demo and the shooter mechanics seem fine, but the world felt super dead and boring. Yeah, the whole first system is sorta the tutorial so its simpler. The world gets more detailed and I'm not sure if the demo has the later ambient stuff they added via patches. I don't think it ever gets as detailed as Freelancer though which did that better than most games (the only comparable since then I can think offhand is indie 2D stuff like Starsector or 3030 Deathwar). It's the best space sim whatever game (like a complete package and not just cool visuals like NMS or interesting flight mechanics like ED) since Freelancer imo, but note that its flight model is more of the Descent vintage than the 90s Origin line. So you spend plenty of time strafing and breaking LoS with asteroids and such.
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Some Australian retailers have the 4070 super available for order today, and due to some amazing pricing from NVIDIA the cheapest one is $10 less than the 4070ti starting price, and about $250 more than the basic 4070, and the ti super is due to be over $300 AUD more. Really amazing launch over here to completely gently caress the value proposition of the entire product line up. Edit: Actually I'm kinda talking crap. A couple stores have partner model specific pricing visible through pc parts picker, but not available to purchase. Hopefully some of them undercut the RRP since Nvidia's proposed pricing over here doesn't make much sense. Mahatma-Squid fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Jan 17, 2024 |
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FuzzySlippers posted:Yeah, the whole first system is sorta the tutorial so its simpler. The world gets more detailed and I'm not sure if the demo has the later ambient stuff they added via patches. I don't think it ever gets as detailed as Freelancer though which did that better than most games (the only comparable since then I can think offhand is indie 2D stuff like Starsector or 3030 Deathwar). It's the best space sim whatever game (like a complete package and not just cool visuals like NMS or interesting flight mechanics like ED) since Freelancer imo, but note that its flight model is more of the Descent vintage than the 90s Origin line. So you spend plenty of time strafing and breaking LoS with asteroids and such. https://youtu.be/nHz1XWaYvkE?si=UREtGwFWkDVpvZoI
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Feeling a little bit of buyer's remorse with my Zotac 4070, but OTOH I got it for $515 and I suspect the 4070S won't see any price cuts for a while. And it also cools like a champ and does everything I already want it to, so hey.
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I could barely do SW Squadrons in VR so a Descent-ish game like Everspace 2 would make my head and stomach instantly explode.
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Subjunctive posted:Brain? Banal, Ridiculous And Idiotic Nonsense
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If theyre going to really shoot for 'exactly between tiers' performance why not just go 4075 instead of tacking on super. They should drop the Ti branding too its getting ridiculous. Suffixes are the worst e: This reminds me of the 8800 Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Jan 17, 2024 |
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that would make too much sense. it might even be sortable!
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no keep adding suffixes i want a 4070 ti super duper
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:
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repiv posted:no keep adding suffixes 'Super' is fine, but I prefer mega and ultra. Ti should probably just be replaced with 'buster edition.'
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4080 Ti Hyper Bucky
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UHD posted:4070 Ti Hella Super
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Gigabyte AORUS GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious 16GB XTREME WATERFORCE
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PNY GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti SUPER 16GB XLR8 Gaming VERTO™ EPIC-X RGB™ OC wait that's a real card repiv fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Jan 17, 2024 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:4070 Ti Cyberpunk Hella Preem Edition 4070 Shiny CHOOH2clocked BD Edition
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They all get quite ridiculous if you use their full name with the officially mandated parts. Not quite as ridiculous as AMD I guess. quote:SAPPHIRE NITRO+ AMD Radeon™ RX 7900 XT Vapor-X Gaming Graphics Card with 20GB GDDR6, AMD RDNA™ 3 architecture
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PittTheElder posted:Does Everspace 2 ever get better than the first few missions? I played the demo and the shooter mechanics seem fine, but the world felt super dead and boring. I think the game gets quite a bit better once you meet Officer Shaw and there are some really cool side missions/areas later in the game, but the world never feels overly lived in if that's important to you.
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Bofast posted:I think the game gets quite a bit better once you meet Officer Shaw and there are some really cool side missions/areas later in the game, but the world never feels overly lived in if that's important to you. The cut scenes being slide shows in Everspace 2 kind of sucks too. I still enjoyed playing it a lot.
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What is the difference between 2 and 3 fan and OC edition vs regular? Just noise and if you have to manually overclock if you want? The last card I bought was five years ago and just got the one that was on sale with free games to sell to lower the price more. My case lists 350mm length by 160mm height, how much extra clearance do I need for not bending the poo poo out of the power cable? Going to get a 4070S to replace my 1070ti with my tax refund, and don't really know what one to pick since they all look to be within $30 of each other.
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take me you ANIMAL posted:What is the difference between 2 and 3 fan and OC edition vs regular? Just noise and if you have to manually overclock if you want? 2 and 3 fans are mostly just about noise. 3-fan models will cool a little better, which typically means their fans will run a bit slower and quieter. OC editions are pretty much rip-offs at this point. They offer maybe 2% more performance over non-OC models. Both can be manually overclocked even further, but manual overclocking is also not so useful these days either. With a GPU like the 4070 Super, 2-fan models usually cool well enough without being too noisy, but I don't think there's anything wrong with spending $20 or $30 extra on a triple-fan model that may be noticeably quieter.
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hark posted:RTX 4069 NE (nice edition)
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