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we have face a decade of rain of us bombs and artillary, we do not fea- whats that, a mormon guy named something like clanche mckusky is going to be pulling the trigger from 25,000 feet instead???? we give up, we arent worthy!!!
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Frosted Flake posted:Brittle, perfectionist, (double? Swim + track?) varsity athletes who couldn't crack a national or professional team seem like a double edged sword. That's a real emotional low point for a lot of guys. and then imagine being told you're on the hook for a 6 year contract either way and surprise your new job is needlegunning rust in the fuckin rain OctaMurk posted:ya
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Al! posted:its the usual boneheaded westoid logic where they are supposed to cower over the might of the us military by the us threatening to put us pilots in the cockpits of their weapons as if the houthis are supposed to be more scared that a white guy is bombing them directly now The bombs are not the issue its holding food aid over their heads now that bombing has failed Biden is directly using famine as a weapon.
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Al-Saqr posted:israel fails to reach al-nasser hospital after extreme resistance last night so as revenge they took some corpses instead What in the actual gently caress? Why the hell are they stealing corpses from a graveyard? Makes no sense.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:The bombs are not the issue its holding food aid over their heads now that bombing has failed im afraid to say the us was also doing that for the last decade as well
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fatelvis posted:What in the actual gently caress? Why the hell are they stealing corpses from a graveyard? Makes no sense. it part of what you do during a genocide. make sure people cant even point to where their grandparents bones are buried
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fatelvis posted:What in the actual gently caress? Why the hell are they stealing corpses from a graveyard? Makes no sense. it makes tremendous sense if your goal is to forever sever the tie of a people to a place. this is part of the process of turning Palestinians into corpses, Egyptians, or Jordanians
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Al! posted:we have face a decade of rain of us bombs and artillary, we do not fea- whats that, a mormon guy named something like clanche mckusky is going to be pulling the trigger from 25,000 feet instead???? we give up, we arent worthy!!! I was trying to argue with some redditbrained freaks like Yemen took almost a decade of this already, what could you do outside of drop a nuke on them to deter them or stop them from continuing? Its not like white people fly jets better than Arabs.
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Al! posted:im afraid to say the us was also doing that for the last decade as well Yes I'm well aware, the point is Biden reversed that course due to performatively breaking from trump due to the humanitarian concerns, and is now directly using those as a cudgel
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Yes I'm well aware, the point is Biden reversed that course due to performatively breaking from trump due to the humanitarian concerns, and is now directly using those as a cudgel oh its monstrous im just saying its not really an effective deterrent to the yemeni people at this point. the thing about war wearyness is it depends on the people fighting remembering that things were not e're thus
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WoodrowSkillson posted:The bombs are not the issue its holding food aid over their heads now that bombing has failed the worse the domestic situation gets the better the chances that the population will topple AA and thus bring an end to the blockade and bombing. this makes inflicting famine not only just but a moral imperative
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Frosted Flake posted:I'll dig up my book on this, but a problem with trade warfare from the 1700's onwards is that shipping could continue - if a convoy system is used. However, a convoy system requires direct state oversight of commercial traffic, including scheduling. In 1752, 1808, 1812, 1916, 1939, merchant ships demanded they be able to sail alone instead of waiting for convoys to form, and it wasn't until French and American privateers, and German commerce raiders and U-Boats, started running up the numbers did they agree to the Admiralty setting the schedule. I love seeing all these provably solvable problems in the world around me, knowing that we've solved these exact same problems in the past, but also knowing that the chance that we will solve them again is 0. Really builds trust in the system and its leaders.
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Frosted Flake posted:Even moreso because in the Great War, no reliable method of ASW detection or attack existed, it was nearly all convoys. Maybe a dumb question, but why do convoys help? I guess if you are getting hit by a submarine the submarine isn't going to like getting popped by all the other boats to take out one boat - but how does that apply to missiles?
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Brk/status/1747560326730494388?s=20 Let's commit high treason against my countrymen in favour of the US and Israel! - A Big Brain Genius, most likely
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Nix Panicus posted:Terrorist designates an enemy of the US led order. It has no other meaning. then why are 9/11 and nord stream considered terrorist attacks, huh smart guy?
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Fuligin posted:I refuse to believe ospreys arent killing like 30 spezial truppen a week we couldn't produce ospreys that fast
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Al! posted:its the usual boneheaded westoid logic where they are supposed to cower over the might of the us military by the us threatening to put us pilots in the cockpits of their weapons as if the houthis are supposed to be more scared that a white guy is bombing them directly now It's funny to me that even fairly politically aware Americans don't know the USA has been directly bombing Ansar Allah prior to this Gaza conflict. WoodrowSkillson posted:Yes I'm well aware, the point is Biden reversed that course due to performatively breaking from trump due to the humanitarian concerns, and is now directly using those as a cudgel Afaik the US led blockade of Ansar Allah controlled areas never stopped. Heck under Biden they made a new task force for the red sea, basically just for Ansar Allah .
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The us never stopped aiding saudi arabia or enforcing the blockade Starvation in Yemen has killed thousands upon thousands
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point taken, i had thought there was some kind of ceasefire or pause. it's an even dumber idea than i originally thought
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well since its so optional for you why dont you just leave then ===== Urgent | Israeli Defense Minister: If we do not dismantle Hamas, we will not be able to live in the State of Israel https://x.com/ajabreaking/status/1747657190742032680?s=46
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Orange Devil posted:Let's commit high treason against my countrymen in favour of the US and Israel! Given their previous statements, the State Dept almost certainly forced them to say this. Their legitimacy is going to plummet.
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Lustful Man Hugs posted:Given their previous statements, the State Dept almost certainly forced them to say this. Their legitimacy is going to plummet. They never had any especially amongst the Yemeni
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i got a starbucks gift card for christmas but now there's a boycott i havent bought anything from starbucks for like 7-8 years (i was traveling and didn't mind spending the extra money for breakfast because i was hungry as poo poo) but if you don't spend the money on a gift card then the corporation gets that money for free, it's better to spend the gift card on the overpriced sandwich or whatever... the complexity of modern life... (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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HallelujahLee posted:They never had any especially amongst the Yemeni This is true, but prior to today, they were making a number of comments saying they would not act against the Anarallah for the duration of this conflict in order to pretend they weren't just some western puppet faction. That pretense is gone now, which makes me think they were coerced into making that statement.
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Nevil Maskelyne posted:i got a starbucks gift card for christmas but now there's a boycott yeah now you have to spend it or else you will be guilty of breaking the boycott
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fatelvis posted:Maybe a dumb question, but why do convoys help? I guess if you are getting hit by a submarine the submarine isn't going to like getting popped by all the other boats to take out one boat - but how does that apply to missiles? Think of protection sort of like an umbrella. It doesn't really matter what you are protecting against at this level of abstraction, it could be Yankee frigates, German merchant cruisers, Japanese dive bombers, or missiles. What matters is that your "umbrella" is able to deter, detect and ideally engage that threat so that it does less damage. You want to cover as many ships as possible with your umbrella. On top of that, you always have more ships to protect than umbrellas, so it makes sense to group them up so they are all covered, rather than fending for themselves. If the umbrella is, in this case, sensors that can detect, and weapons that can shoot down, anti ship missiles, you only have so many warships capable of doing that, so rather than spreading out your escorts, you group them to have good coverage, and then group the merchant ships in the middle. It's the same idea as the below, except they can be spread further out because they have longer ranged sensors and weapons than the WW2 escorts.  A corvette, either the 18th century sailing kind, or the antisubmarine escorts of the 20th century, could chase away the threats of their day, or at least make them think twice. In real life, combatants generally don't want to die, and since they are attacking and get to set the terms of the engagement, they will usually decide not to fight if the odds aren't in their favour. This is a lot like predators in the natural world. Unlike in the movies, a wolf or bear will not risk death or serious injury unless it really has to, because not only will they not eat, their ability to eat in the future becomes exceedingly more difficult. Same deal with planes, ships and submarines, which are all incredibly fragile, and often operating far away from home. Just like simply forming a herd makes it harder to separate easy pickings from something that could ruin your day with a horn or hoof, sailing in convoys means you don't have the leisure of deciding to engage one merchant, you have to engage all of them, and their escorts. So, where no merchant ship sailing today has the ability to shoot down anti-ship missiles, some warships do. It makes sense to group the ships that have no protection together under the safety of those that do, so that, even if missiles are shot at them, they have more protection than they would on their own (which would be none). Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 18:21 on Jan 17, 2024 |
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Lustful Man Hugs posted:This is true, but prior to today, they were making a number of comments saying they would not act against the Anarallah for the duration of this conflict in order to pretend they weren't just some western puppet faction. That pretense is gone now, which makes me think they were coerced into making that statement. Probably the uae
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Honky Mao posted:yeah now you have to spend it or else you will be guilty of breaking the boycott gently caress at least i dont live in a part of the world where people know what the word boycott means or that one is happening so they won't think im spending money
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Al! posted:point taken, i had thought there was some kind of ceasefire or pause. it's an even dumber idea than i originally thought There has been and fighting died down significantly. That's no reason to end your criminal, nigh genocidal, blockade though! Nevil Maskelyne posted:i got a starbucks gift card for christmas but now there's a boycott Sell it to someone who will buy Starbucks regardless
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Al-Saqr posted:a bunch of israeli reservists are refusing to fight Expanding on this: https://www.kan.org.il/content/kan-news/defense/686294/ "Reservists were demanded to enter Gaza without training - half a battalion left" quote:Reservist fighters who were called for training ahead of the establishment of the "HaShomer" ["The Gurdian"] brigade, a new brigade whose purpose is to protect the settlements of the Gaza Envelope and the West Bank, have severely criticized the serious gaps in equipment, professionalism, the lack of manpower and especially the fact that in the middle of training they were informed that they were going to enter the Gaza Strip without having trained as required.
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Sancho Banana posted:Most pathetic threat of all time Pray I don't classify you further
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Lustful Man Hugs posted:This is true, but prior to today, they were making a number of comments saying they would not act against the Anarallah for the duration of this conflict in order to pretend they weren't just some western puppet faction. That pretense is gone now, which makes me think they were coerced into making that statement. The PLC isn't a western puppet, don't be ridiculous. It's a Saudi and UAE puppet.
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StashAugustine posted:How long til people start putting CIWS on cargo ships My understanding is that there are laws that would prevent them from transiting Suez and Panama and making calls at most ports, if they are armed. I have no idea how this works, only that it came up during the Somali pirate panic and was shot down for that sort of reason. It also makes insurance rates go up iirc.
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StashAugustine posted:How long til people start putting CIWS on cargo ships and use what ammo? lmao
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fatelvis posted:Maybe a dumb question, but why do convoys help? I guess if you are getting hit by a submarine the submarine isn't going to like getting popped by all the other boats to take out one boat - but how does that apply to missiles? if you're using an Arleigh Burke to shoot down missiles, the Burke can cover more ships if they're all grouped around the destroyer in a convoy
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Frosted Flake posted:Brittle, perfectionist, (double? Swim + track?) varsity athletes who couldn't crack a national or professional team seem like a double edged sword. That's a real emotional low point for a lot of guys. one imagines that triathletes would be a good recruiting pool, those guys are all psycho masochists anyway
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Truga posted:and use what ammo? lmao $27 a round. I don't imagine civilian shipping companies would be happy about that.  Defensively Equipped Merchant ships had naval ordnance provided at taxpayer expense, but they also had naval gun crews. It was yet another centralized, organized, state program that exercised control over private shipping to make it happen. "Untrained gunners posed significant risk to friendly aircraft in the absence of efficient communications. DEMS guns were manned by 24,000 Royal Navy personnel and 14,000 men of the Royal Artillery Maritime Regiment. 150,000 merchant sailors were trained to assist by passing ammunition, loading and replacing casualties. Initially, Royal Artillery personnel provided anti-aircraft protection by bringing their own machine-guns aboard ships operating close to the British Isles. DEMS gunners were often retired military personnel and young Hostilities Only ratings, commanded by a petty officer or Royal Marine sergeant. Large ships sometimes embarked a junior naval officer to command the DEMS gunners. Canada placed guns on 713 ships, while the Royal Australian Navy provided gun crews for 375 Australian and other Allied ships" Again, imagine, idk Maersk, agreeing to this today. e: Actually the whole flags of convenance thing probably fucks them because how tf are you going to have USN CIWS mounts and crews on Liberian vessels without making Libera a party to the conflict?
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