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pseudodragon posted:Yeah, a pretty simple solution would be the school and the players sign a piece of paper saying "I, student, promise to play football your school for 4 years in exchange, you, school, promise to give me $x". But apparently that's a horrible evil that would destroy the very fabric of america or whatever the gently caress bullshit the NCAA is spewing. I don’t think locking 18 year old kids into a 4 year employment contract is a great solution, no. I know it works for the military but that’s probably not the model to follow.
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PostNouveau posted:Bama wasn't hustling with the NIL as much as the other big schools, right? I think a lot of that was lip service. They were still shelling out good amounts of NIL. I'd always heard that Saban was doing most of the DB coaching and Travaris Robinson was there to be the recruiter/bagman.
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Amid this Alabama domino effect, I forgot that if Harbaugh is gone, Michigan talent will also flood the portal. That will be extremely fun to watch. (and downright depressing too)
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pseudodragon posted:Yeah, a pretty simple solution would be the school and the players sign a piece of paper saying "I, student, promise to play football your school for 4 years in exchange, you, school, promise to give me $x". But apparently that's a horrible evil that would destroy the very fabric of america or whatever the gently caress bullshit the NCAA is spewing. Very simple until your coach sells out the program and bails for another school with all the staff that recruited you.
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A Sneaker Broker posted:Amid this Alabama domino effect, I forgot that if Harbaugh is gone, Michigan talent will also flood the portal. That will be extremely fun to watch. Huskies’ Revenge. Turns out the team we actually beat is the one that won the CFB season
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Truther Vandross posted:I think a lot of that was lip service. They were still shelling out good amounts of NIL. I'd always heard that Saban was doing most of the DB coaching and Travaris Robinson was there to be the recruiter/bagman. My understanding is that our overall NIL spend is very competitive but we can't just drop bigass bags or promises of bigass bags on singular players like the absolute top end can, especially not in a circumstance like this where we're potentially looking at doing so for multiple players at once on extremely short notice. But, yeah, there's a reason this has been defense heavy and that's the loss of Saban and Robinson - money wasn't gonna change a number of these.
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I think you could standardize a contract codifying exceptions for transfers that isnt just locking kids into 4yr ironclad commitments. At some point, there need to be some rules for roster stability instead of a nearly complete reshuffle each year. Theres certainly a way to do it fairly.
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A Buffer Gay Dude posted:Huskies’ Revenge. Turns out the team we actually beat is the one that won the CFB season Dubs is not gonna go down like a bitch. He will go down barking and taking ankles.
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LeeMajors posted:I think you could standardize a contract codifying exceptions for transfers that isnt just locking kids into 4yr ironclad commitments. Schools will never pay players directly because they will be open to massive title IX lawsuits if they don’t distribute money reasonably equitably across all sports. NIL allows the schools to sidestep the issue. NIL isn’t really the main driver in roster churn anyway, it’s the fact that you no longer have to sit out a season after transferring. Rosters were more stable when transferring required sitting a year. But that was stupid and punitive.
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It might be described as a 4 year contract in summary, but in practice it would probably be like 1 year with 3 option years.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Schools will never pay players directly because they will be open to massive title IX lawsuits if they don’t distribute money reasonably equitably across all sports. NIL allows the schools to sidestep the issue. Perhaps they should compensate all athletes uniformly? I mean that’s likely the price of roster stability now that the horse is out of the barn. Farming it out to third parties is like the worst of all worlds.
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It'd be nice if Mizzou hired a DC so they could try and snag a defensive transfer
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A Buffer Gay Dude posted:Very simple until your coach sells out the program and bails for another school with all the staff that recruited you. College coaching contracts would have to be structured like NFL ones and all that intails
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Oh Snapple! posted:Yeah I'm not really fond of that, particularly when accounting for coaching and staffing changes Obviously there's have to be details worked out for staff changes and normal non-sporting transfers, but we're talking 6-8 figure deals here. There's gotta be some protection on the school side and some consequences to the player for signing for big money if they are going to get the guaranteed cash. NHL and MLB guys are signing their first pro deals at 18 so it's not an unheard of thing to have them sign real contracts. It probably shouldn't be a one size fits all deal either. Like it's probably reasonable for a 5 star QBs signing for whatever the hell stud QBs are getting to have tighter restrictions than like a 3 star TE getting tuition and some spending money. But the main thing is, if schools want kids to stay, they need to step up and take responsibility rather than pawing it off to collectives.
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LeeMajors posted:Perhaps they should compensate all athletes uniformly? I mean that’s likely the price of roster stability now that the horse is out of the barn. Farming it out to third parties is like the worst of all worlds. I mean NIL isn’t going anywhere at this point, it’s settled law, so the schools also paying players a relative pittance isn’t going to change the financial calculus for any reasonably sought after transfer. Bama paying these kids 5k a year isn’t going to keep them from leaving. Again, the roster churn is mostly orthogonal to NIL, players are transferring for better opportunities, be it more playing time, a chance to play for a contender, or a chance to increase their draft stock.
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I like that players can transfer more easily and that players get money. Sucks right now for UW but it’s good the workers.
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wandler20 posted:I'm enjoying this. https://twitter.com/BudElliott3/status/1747646613890228585 pillsburysoldier fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Jan 17, 2024 |
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How much pressure is DeBoer going to be under to deliver in year 1? Next year is looking like a rebuild with these roster departures and staff turnover. There hasn't been a rebuild year in Saban's entire tenure. Can the fanbase even handle 8-4 or 9-3?
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Komet posted:How much pressure is DeBoer going to be under to deliver in year 1? Next year is looking like a rebuild with these roster departures and staff turnover. There hasn't been a rebuild year in Saban's entire tenure. Can the fanbase even handle 8-4 or 9-3? Yes
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Komet posted:How much pressure is DeBoer going to be under to deliver in year 1? Next year is looking like a rebuild with these roster departures and staff turnover. There hasn't been a rebuild year in Saban's entire tenure. Can the fanbase even handle 8-4 or 9-3? Massive, despite what anyone says. I think a lot of fans will blame the portal and the NCAA and whoever else for right now but when you get into the regular season, if he's lost 3 or 4 games he's going to get crucified.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:I like that players can transfer more easily and that players get money. I’m conflicted because the total lack of written commitment for their employment has totally destabilized everything but also coaches have been able to destabilize a program at the drop of a hat since college sports began. I’m glad the kids are getting paid and have a lot of options but also as a socialist it seems unwise to rely on invisible market forces to shape this future and would likely be smarter to build in some regulations and protections. If the NCAA and conferences weren’t so busy guarding their treasure (and outdated notions of amateurism) like Smaug they could’ve maybe worked out a way to compensate players fairly and allow them to profit from their own likenesses without it being a literal trading floor. Now it’s all hosed 
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Make athletic departments co-ops, distribute all stolen profits back to the workers.
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FSU gets a 2024 4* QB as a walk on. He was committed to Ole Miss at one point. Weird. https://twitter.com/Noles247/status/1747698152491069637?t=iX2e5O_kli85ce1-YR7c6w&s=19
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If you are generating money for a corporation through labor, you should be paid for your labor. I don’t care if you play quarterback at Michigan or are a backup on the track team at Austin Peay. Pay workers. If they had done so properly first, their programs wouldn’t be collapsing every other year.
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Soul Glo posted:If you are generating money for a corporation through labor, you should be paid for your labor. I don’t care if you play quarterback at Michigan or are a backup on the track team at Austin Peay. Absolutely
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Also if anything the bigger issue for stability is still the coaches. There was a long stretch where the coaches could do what ever they wanted but the players were trapped so it gave the illusion of some stability, now that they don’t have the players labor to abuse the coaches jumping every second they get is causing huge ripple effects.
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Soul Glo posted:backup on the track team at Austin Peay Pretty sure this guy isn't generating a fraction of a cent
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Soul Glo posted:If you are generating money for a corporation through labor, you should be paid for your labor. I don’t care if you play quarterback at Michigan or are a backup on the track team at Austin Peay. College football players need to be paid for their labor but this argument sort of falls apart when you consider a whole bunch of other college sports that cost more than they make. If the kids on the badminton team or whatever were being paid based on the value of their labor they’d owe the school money. The big money college sports simply exist in a different world than all of the other college sports but need to be treated the same to comply with basic notions of fairness. The only solutions to the problem are going back to the days when we pretended they were amateurs and penalized them for taking money to get Taco Bell, or split them off into essentially a semi pro league and do away with the entire fiction that they’re student athletes. But turning them from de facto professionals into actual professionals sure isn’t going to make the issues with roster churn and competitive imbalance any better. I think a lot of fans who were theoretically in favor of more player agency and players getting paid for the value their labor creates are now realizing that these things fundamentally change the sport in ways they don’t like and are trying to find a way to unring the bell, but only halfway. Which I sympathize with, but I don’t think there’s any way to square the circle of “paid amateur professional student athletes with the same freedom to choose where they go as coaches have but also teams must be able to maintain stable rosters and 3rd parties shouldn’t be able to induce players to leave with money.”
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A Sneaker Broker posted:https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/industry/football/2024/?position=qb&status=best-available Mike Alaimo is on twitter every day posting his Akron highlights
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wernox posted:Mike Alaimo is on twitter every day posting his Akron highlights I misread this as Marc Alaimo and was wondering if Gul Dukat of the Cardassian Union was talking football online. 
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LeeMajors posted:Oh poo poo I forgot it was Gervon. Maybe we should be teaching these kids things in college. You know, college?
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Gonz posted:I misread this as Marc Alaimo and was wondering if Gul Dukat of the Cardassian Union was talking football online. I appreciate this
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A Sneaker Broker posted:Amid this Alabama domino effect, I forgot that if Harbaugh is gone, Michigan talent will also flood the portal. That will be extremely fun to watch. Possible, maybe not necessarily probable. It would kick off a month long portal, but a lot depends on what parts of the coaching staff stay around too. Lot of kids would be gone if they hire a rando, but might stick around if Moore is the replacement. Also, none of this stuff is a shock to anyone on the team, as apparently Harbaugh was even truthful with his newest QB recruit that he'd be doing this dance.
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Edward Mass posted:Maybe we should be teaching these kids things in college. You know, college? I didn’t come to play college.
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These schools are eventually going to establish separate for-profit subsidiaries for football to get around Title IX and academics where the program is basically just leasing out space for practice and games from the university. They'll keep the college brands but it'll otherwise having nothing to do with traditional college athletics.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:College football players need to be paid for their labor but this argument sort of falls apart when you consider a whole bunch of other college sports that cost more than they make. If the kids on the badminton team or whatever were being paid based on the value of their labor they’d owe the school money. Sash! posted:Pretty sure this guy isn't generating a fraction of a cent a massive percentage of corporations in all manner of industries are operating at a constant loss and still paying their workers, even if they have forty divisions and only one happens to turn a profit (or none, even, in the case of something like warner bros.) when you see a problem of payment for labor and start to rationalize why the millionaires and billionaires at the top can’t possibly pay their water polo players or whatever even just minimum wage, you are doing too much for them.
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Edward Mass posted:Maybe we should be teaching these kids things in college. You know, college? Unless we’re going to send them all to law school I don’t think an honestly earned four year degree is kinesiology is going to prepare someone for the finer points of understanding financial contracts. Lawyers and agents get paid a lot for exist for a reason.
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