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Guitar Thread: learn 2 read, bozo
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Jan 16, 2024 20:41
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if you poll 99.9% of your favorite guitarists they probably never used the berklee book and also wouldnt know how to read past the first 10 pages (im giving them the benefit of the doubt they all learned to read a c scale) ie it's decent for a jazz guitarist but for learning popular genres the best tool is listening, watching fingers, and practicing / trying to match it
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Jan 16, 2024 20:44
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yeah play 15 hours a day is the real answer but we are not realists we are hobby autists with money and no brains
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Jan 16, 2024 21:03
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Money, no brains, and even less time. I spend more time GASing at work than playing at home and it’s not even close. Not by choice, that’s just what it is with work and kids and life
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Jan 16, 2024 21:12
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yeah fine im just saying if you bounce of the book especially volume 2 and 3 don't worry about it, it's real hard to read the notation and im not sure who the hell its really for
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Jan 16, 2024 21:29
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Re: Berklee, I played trumpet in middle school so I could already read basic sheet music. I'd been playing on and off a few years after high school, and could do major and minor A and E shape barre chords. I wouldn't recommend the berklee book to an absolute beginner, but wish I had picked it up earlier. It's just nice (for me) to have a book to work on for a few minutes per practice session and see improvement in addition to trying to learn popular songs.
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Jan 16, 2024 21:39
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That Berklee book made me so much better (and I play in a bluegrass / country band). It teaches you how to play rhythm real well. Plus you end up learning all the keys, triads etc. It makes you an all around good guitarist. An anecdote in favor of reading notation: my husband recently started learning ukulele and got this book with a bunch of songs. They're written in notation with box chords for uke. We can play together with me playing the melody since it's the same clef as guitar and it's SUPER fun. You never know when it might be useful!
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Jan 16, 2024 21:48
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moon demon posted:that book looks... pretty daunting to my beginner rear end the biggest challenge is the song examples are really lame
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Jan 16, 2024 21:54
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ethanol posted:im not suggesting you switch to thumb over or this hybrid pick technique but theres stuff related to selective muting in this vid that ive spent maybe 20 years trying to do and still cant do nearly as well as this guy. Just in case you're wondering how hard it can really be. but also it's a good video just to see how people approach things differently man what the gently caress
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Jan 16, 2024 21:54
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Pollyanna posted:Trying to string mute and jump around the fretboard at the same time is a lot harder than I thought It's a perfectly fine place to start. Just take it slow and remember that it's not an easy or natural thing to make your hands do this stuff. It takes a lot of practice. Break the riff into chunks and work on each chunk individually and start bringing it together as it becomes more comfortable. You'll get there. If it makes you feel better, there's songs I've been working on for literal years because they're beyond my current ability but I'm using them to develop speed, precision, synchronization or some other technical aspects of playing that just require time and practice. But, there's things I can do now that I never thought would be possible. It's a process.
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Jan 16, 2024 22:10
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Maybe the Godzilla riff isn’t the best place to start? I wish I was better with my hands…
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Re: everything I can read music still (mostly), I just really need to put my mind to tabs because I do want to be able to read them as well. I've always been a filthy percussionist but I wanted to try strings for forever. I wish I had woodworking tools, but that's a cost I'm not willing to eat currently along with getting better at woodworking. I'm an adult without the adult money lol, but I do have time on my hands.
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Jan 16, 2024 23:05
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if you can already read some music and at the risk of sounding like a simpleton stuff like dotted notes and so on the berklee books are pretty interesting. more than just reading the book wants you to be able to put note to fretboard pretty fluently at times though, and that's the challenge with a multivoice instrument that has a ton of fretboard positions to play the same thing. but it will definitely improve your skill at that if you're into it
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Jan 16, 2024 23:09
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That's the goal tbh. I will forever regret not doing this the right way last time, but life was getting in the way at that point so it is what it is.
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Jan 16, 2024 23:25
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I think my hands are too small for the thumb-over grip??? I have no idea how anyone manages to play chords like that. In fact I think this instrument is just sized for people with bigger hands and more range than me. I can only barely get all fingers on the first four frets.
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Jan 16, 2024 23:57
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yes the long fingered freaks have an easier time with that thumb grip and it's not fair. but it's wholly not necessary to actually play that way you dont need big hands to play the guitar
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Jan 17, 2024 00:00
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One day I’ll figure out how to hold this thing.
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Jan 17, 2024 00:03
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you have no idea how mad i get when i see that guy play tbh that's a 59 les paul (pretty thick neck) if i do that on a 59 les paul neck my thumb barely taps the E string whereas he can curl his all the way to fretting the A string. but yeah you really don't have to play thumb over like that, in fact it's historically not even really considered a great way to play that's why he starts off kinda defensive about it
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Jan 17, 2024 00:10
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At least he can play without twinging his wrist fingers and (presumably) back 
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Jan 17, 2024 00:11
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even if you dont use the thumb you can learn a lot about partial chords from him and how you can relieve pressure on your wrist by only fingering part of the chords and muting the rest. effectively putting pressure on only ~3 strings at a time instead of all 6. especially effective with power chord structures like your godzilla riff. It's a combo of left and right hand working together. you don't have to necessarily mute, if you don't pick the string.. for instance, in that case your finger arching over and brushing a string doesn't matter. (or readjust so you mute the string) you don't need to pain to extend the arch and avoid the string. it's all about figuring out what is comfortable for you and getting the hands to work together. it's something that's confusing to newbies but pros play with much less pressure than you think. newbies and even a lot of intermediate players tend to play with too much pressure/exertion because trying to play too much of the chord all the time. you'll find a lot of experienced guitarists are often looking at ways to lessen the exertion of stuff they used to do with barre chords by finding partial voicings that use fewer strings in a more comfortable position of course it also helps to remember some fundamentals 1)properly set up truss rod and action so you aren't fighting the guitar 2)keeping fingernails short on your fretting hand 3)practice changes a lot with good timing. chords take a while to build up strength. edit: also specific to your rock and roll string muting, don't worry so much about making the string impossible to hear, some of that mute only does so much as make the string kinda make a 'click' sound when it gets picked, it's sort of just percussive and blends into the overdrive. so you can get away with being sloppy. jimi hendrix made it into a signature sound in machine gun and i played the riff in the video you posted and tbh i wouldn't call it terribly comfortable to play a long time ethanol fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Jan 17, 2024 |
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Jan 17, 2024 00:18
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Man, it’s like someone should translate that Berkeley system into some more modern guitar notation. Learning 18th century hieroglyphics alongside trying to learn guitar is unnecessarily daunting for newbies.
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Jan 17, 2024 00:20
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It's not the sheet music that prevents me from recommending the Berklee book to beginners, it's that it just throws you into barre chords and triads like 1/3 of the way in. The sheet music is just a bonus, and kinda keeps the first dozen or so "easy" pages interesting if you're coming at it as an advanced beginner.
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Jan 17, 2024 01:09
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My MIL knows I'm a tinkerer and she found a beater nylon string acoustic guitar from Paracho by her dumpster. It was beat to poo poo, the previous owner had used marker on the fretboard and soundboard and managed to have the bass side of the bridge come off the body by replacing EAD with steel strings. Oh, and their doggo / cat had chewed the crap out of the heel and headstock. I managed to glue the bridge back on and salvage the heel and headstock with a microplane. I ended up sanding the neck clean, applying cutting board oil and plan on doing the same for the soundboard. I did a quick fret refinish and polish and sanded down the plastic bridge and nut to a reasonable action. Nylon strings are still stretching but so far this instrument plays and sounds very nice, intonation is true, and best of all i'm finally playing and not tinkering / GASing I am working through Jobim's Insensatez as transcribed in https://brazile.net/guitar/Tabs/insensatez-tab.html and the Am6 transition to E7/G# is kicking my rear end. I'm having so much fun i wanted to share it WTT and have you join in the pain. code:
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Jan 17, 2024 01:10
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Re: playing with short fingers. Look up a video of Segovia. Man had some stubby sausage-fingers and he's considered one of the greatest classical guitarist ever.
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Jan 17, 2024 09:55
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Pollyanna posted:I think my hands are too small for the thumb-over grip??? I have no idea how anyone manages to play chords like that. Everyone feels like that sometimes, especially when starting. I think with time you get the sense that a chord is a sequence of simultaneous notes, not a shape, so you'll find yourself playing thumb-over sometimes, but not others amd playing partial voicings contextually. You'll see it as you learn more songs, but it can be interesting knowing just a little enough theory to be dangerous and be like "oh, this weird version of G makes moving to A here really easy" or "I feel like single finger A chords are 'cheating', but in THIS song, they allow me to do THIS and thats cool!"
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Jan 17, 2024 14:12
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I wrote a drinking song https://voca.ro/1eusP2s5JJmd
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Jan 17, 2024 16:22
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I have an idea! How about instead of working on tricks like string and palm muting, I practice a comfortable and sustainable position and grip? Any ideas and recs? No trick I learn or drill I practice will matter if I can’t hold this drat thing without falling apart. I really wish I had started there with my teacher  I honestly regret coming in with knowing some basic music theory and mentioning my synthtoucher background, that became a huge rabbit hole and it would have been far better to start from the absolute basics with him.
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Jan 17, 2024 16:48
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Here ya go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYIAkKUxcOI Don't worry, you didn't practice for 15 years the wrong way like I did, you'll be fine
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Jan 17, 2024 16:58
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Pollyanna posted:I have an idea! How about instead of working on tricks like string and palm muting, I practice a comfortable and sustainable position and grip? Any ideas and recs? No trick I learn or drill I practice will matter if I can’t hold this drat thing without falling apart. I told my teacher that we should pretend I knew gently caress all and then be pleasantly surprised if something got dredged up from the murk that helped me speed up learning a particular skill/technique/concept This has been a successful strategy thus far
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Jan 17, 2024 17:35
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practicing mechanics sounds boring I'd rather find a song that does the thing and play that immhoo
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Jan 17, 2024 18:13
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TEMPLE GRANDIN OS posted:practicing mechanics sounds boring I'd rather find a song that does the thing and play that immhoo 
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Jan 17, 2024 18:49
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I'm planning to customise this cheap HB Mustang clone to have some unique specs I don't think are served by any models out there these days. My plans this far are;
Besides that, any suggestions on stuff to do with the electronics? I've been thinking about a Jag-style strangle switch, either a bass or treble cut. Was thinking of keeping the switches to toggle the pickup select so that frees space with the knobs for something. Probably not looking to need batteries in there I've also had issues with the trem bar, for one it's very loose and will flop around, second I've found the washer or whatever that connects the bar to the trem itself can cover off very easy and I need to remove it all to get in there and fix it. I can take pictures when I next fix it but can this be dealt with? Loctite maybe? 
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Jan 17, 2024 19:18
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Well, my guitar had some other issues so I told them to just go ahead and fix it. Needs leveling and to fix part of the fretboard, in the meantime I guess I'll order the pickup I want so when I restring it next time I can install it. Buuuuuut, I'm really glad I had them give it a good lookover since I honestly don't know that part of things. At least I can do the electronics myself, that'll save me in the long run if I want to tinker a bit. Y'all weren't kidding about the book, that's a lot of neat info in there though.
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Jan 18, 2024 01:04
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spotted among the b stock baddies: this guitar https://g-l-online-store.myshopify.com/products/b-stock-instruments-bto-doheny-miami-blue-hula-art-by-clee-sobieski EDIT: ATTN lefties -- they also have an 8.1 lb lefty strat for under 1700, and they say it's actually A stock, not B stock.
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Jan 18, 2024 04:05
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Helianthus Annuus posted:b stock baddies Taking this band name
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Jan 18, 2024 04:35
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Helianthus Annuus posted:spotted among the b stock baddies: this guitar https://g-l-online-store.myshopify.com/products/b-stock-instruments-bto-doheny-miami-blue-hula-art-by-clee-sobieski It's hideous. I want it.
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Jan 18, 2024 11:28
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 Here's my Mustang trem just before I fixed it again, basically it's unscrewed itself. Will Loktite sort it, or can I do anything else? Took a look under the pick guard too, and besides there being a lot of sawdust and no shielding in there, I looks like I can fit trons I there without additional routing. Not exactly a swimming pool but an angled single coil seems to have a similar profile.
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Jan 18, 2024 22:19
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Helianthus Annuus posted:spotted among the b stock baddies: this guitar https://g-l-online-store.myshopify.com/products/b-stock-instruments-bto-doheny-miami-blue-hula-art-by-clee-sobieski That thing is baller
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Jan 19, 2024 00:07
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I went up in front of an audience and played my guitar for the first time ever The actual literal first time playing in front of human beings It was at the open jam for MAGfest and it was just strumming chords but it happened and I did
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Jan 19, 2024 02:10
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Congrats dude that’s awesome
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Jan 19, 2024 02:14
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That guitar hurts my back to look at.
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Jan 19, 2024 02:43
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