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I played some Nova Drift again and it made me think about how I really like the games where picking a wrong upgrade can literally make your whole build completely unusable, simply by virtue of how the complex interlocking systems work. Synthetik does the exact same thing where if you aren't thinking carefully when picking your weapon upgrades you can create a hand-held bomb that will instakill you once you try to fire it. Systems like that are just so much more fun than just "Add 10% more damage." Any suggestions for other games that do similar stuff that I might have missed?
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Noita's known for it's wildly unsafe wand thingies. Never played it tho.
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Serephina posted:Noita's known for it's wildly unsafe wand thingies. Never played it tho. Oh yeah, Noita is pretty cool.
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Jan 18, 2024 11:55
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I hate the "no-hitting a floor or boss gives you a bonus". Is there a way to mitigate that like in Isaac with spirit hearts? That's a major reason I disliked Enter the Gungeon.
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if you are talking about tiny rogues, you can simply remove that upgrade and put the points somewhere else on the chart
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Jan 18, 2024 12:53
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I don't post in this thread very much but I do read it almost daily and I just wanna say that I think the discussion in here lately has been great. Everyone's enthusiastic and generally positive and offering advice and spoiler tagging if they think it's necessary and it's just nice. Way to be, roguelike thread, I appreciate you.
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babypolis posted:
Nice! Angiok is really good haha
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LazyMaybe posted:Frequently, yes. And almost always most of the potion buffs I actually want, like power/anger/wrath. I think I generally don't hoard them because there are 3 boss fights in the end you'd want the buffs for but they only last 10 rooms, so you can only use them for one of those fights. (And the pre-boss rooms before the last 2 fights are no pushovers either.) In my mind, it's better to use the inventory space for stuff to sell for gold that you can turn into permanent advantages. Like you've got 5 buffs expiring at the same time, so at one point you had 5 potions taking up inventory space (or you got one of those chests stuffed with them and they were all different, in which case, congrats). Typically, I get a pawn shop or a black market very soon after filling my inventory with loot. A whole lot of times, my mid-game power spike comes from purchasing power.
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Speaking of selling, lately it feels like 80% of the stuff I sell is worth 1 gold, regardless of alignment and rarity, what's up with that? I feel like I should know, being on paragon 30 and cinder 16, but it feels... buggy? I dunno.
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Jack Trades posted:I played some Nova Drift again and it made me think about how I really like the games where picking a wrong upgrade can literally make your whole build completely unusable, simply by virtue of how the complex interlocking systems work. What did you build that did this? Was it a snake build? I played enough to know I really liked it but put it down to wait till it was proper release ready. Seems to be close btw for those interested. Some time this year I think.
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Schurik posted:Speaking of selling, lately it feels like 80% of the stuff I sell is worth 1 gold, regardless of alignment and rarity, what's up with that? I feel like I should know, being on paragon 30 and cinder 16, but it feels... buggy? I dunno. Oh drat, yeah that sounds like you hit a bug. The only thing I ever get 1 gold for is some of the worst starting equipment. I'm not even sure it's possible to pick up equipment that bad; none of the chests or shops or armorys drop like Basic Sword.
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Schurik posted:Speaking of selling, lately it feels like 80% of the stuff I sell is worth 1 gold, regardless of alignment and rarity, what's up with that? I feel like I should know, being on paragon 30 and cinder 16, but it feels... buggy? I dunno. Is there not a mastery that affects selling prices?
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unattended spaghetti posted:What did you build that did this? Was it a snake build? I played enough to know I really liked it but put it down to wait till it was proper release ready. Seems to be close btw for those interested. Some time this year I think. The last time I did it was as simple as me trying to make an Architect Sword build and then getting a brainfart and picking up Mines, which resulted in my Swords being unavailable, but there are a whole bunch of ways to screw yourself over in Nova Drift because almost every upgrade tree is has an interesting double-edged upgrade.
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Azran posted:It's so brazen that it goes all the way around and becomes funny. https://twitter.com/RubyBenji/status/1747580077234176481
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I nolifed Skul the Hero Slayer in the last week or two. Finally beat hardest difficulty. I recommend it, with two recommendations: 1.) the initial metaprogression stuff sucks. I might even recommend putting the game on rookie mode (half damage received) initially because it will let you farm the upgrades faster as the metaprogression rewards exponentially increase up to stage 3. The weird part is theres also an excellent ascension-based metaprogression system that kicks in later further making me wonder why the quartz upgrades are even still in the game. 2.) You can save scum in this game by pressing alt+f4. Absolutely abuse this on bosses to learn their patterns, this game would take hundreds of hours if you had to do a run every time before losing to a boss. The bosses don't change their behavior all that much and its just a giant waste of time to have to do a run when you need to fight these enemies dozens of times to learn them (and in general this is a game with a fairly low power ceiling so you usually cant just overpower them the way you can in tiny rogues/isaac or leverage your health lead like gungeon). The last boss is very hollow knighty/fair but messes you up if you don't know the patterns. Also for tips on what to build 2 revenge is best synergy in game worth using garbage items to activate it. And in general safety is a really big deal its much harder to win with blender melee attack builds than safe ones. No Wave fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Jan 18, 2024 |
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really late but finally beat nethack feels good to cross this one off the list.
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Jedit posted:Is there not a mastery that affects selling prices? Aaaaaaaaa you're right, I forgot I had taken Inflation at all, and even if I had remembered, I made the mistake of taking that instead of Deflation.
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ferroque posted:really late but finally beat nethack Hell yeah
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ferroque posted:really late but finally beat nethack yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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ferroque posted:really late but finally beat nethack Neeeeeeeeerd! (Congrats)
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They released a sequel to Turnip Boy Commits Tax Evasion, and this one -- Turnip Boy Robs a Bank -- has roguelite mechanics. The idea is that you're robbing a bank that might be built on top of an ancient interdimensional alien ruin so it keeps changing from one robbery to the next.  The meta-progression seems to be on the Dead Cells lines -- you unlock and buy new weapons as well as new tools that allow you to access areas and routes that were previously inaccessible to you. A lot of corny comedy just like in the first game. Came out today, also on Game Pass, and from the hour I just played it seems pretty neat. 
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ferroque posted:really late but finally beat nethack A classic YAVP, one I shall celebrate. Good work man, I'm sure it was no small effort!
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Jack Trades posted:I played some Nova Drift again and it made me think about how I really like the games where picking a wrong upgrade can literally make your whole build completely unusable, simply by virtue of how the complex interlocking systems work. I haven't found that to be the case at all with builds. There are a couple of masteries that can really mess you up if you aren't built for them (the one that burns everything, including you, comes to mind) but by and large you can choose two upgrades that have opposite effects. You can get both the upgrade that makes you bigger, stronger, and slower as well as the one that makes you smaller, faster, and more fragile, for example. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me and I hope they work out the system so that one side of a skill tree is locked when you choose from the other. I'm also looking forward to having an end game. I abort a lot of runs because you can get ahead of the power curve enough that one run can take an hour to complete.
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Major flex beating Nethack for the first time as a tourist.
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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxo011mu83M thunder scroll+crushing blow+paw mitts+shitloads of mana+boosted effects of mana is pretty good as it turns out
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ferroque posted:really late but finally beat nethack extremely based, probably the first straight yavp we've had in a good long while
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I really want to get into CDDA but every single time I try to play the interface and controls intimate and confuse me. Is it a good idea to sit and wait until they develop it further or is it as good as it will get?
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The game is both essentially complete and never going to be complete so you might as well bite the bullet if you’re interested. I’ve been reading the LP from a bit back by worm girl and it’s a pretty good teaching tool as well as being entertaining. If you’re up for learning that way two minor caveats are that the LP does go into some extensive spoilers eventually and that CDDA is a constantly evolving project that is constantly putting tutorials and such out of date. The CDDA thread is also, like most threads for extremely complex and weird stuff, totally happy to answer new questions. Orv fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Jan 19, 2024 |
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I know there is a tiny rogues thread, but it is wild to me we got a page of debate about mageblood and no one mentioned re rolling it allows you to keep the permanent buffs you've already got. Feels so good.
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Duderclese posted:I know there is a tiny rogues thread, but it is wild to me we got a page of debate about mageblood and no one mentioned re rolling it allows you to keep the permanent buffs you've already got. Pretty sure this got fixed at some point.
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the holy poopacy posted:Pretty sure this got fixed at some point. I haven't played in five ish days. So it could well have been patched.
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not as cool as a nethack yavp but Path of Achra continues to be fun
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ferroque posted:really late but finally beat nethack Grats! That's a big one. My only regret from my one time through the end is that I was too scared to take a turn to lay an egg on the altar.
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habituallyred posted:Major flex beating Nethack for the first time as a tourist. The early game is tough for sure but once you hit critical mass it feels insanely strong. Free blessed charging from the magic credit card is just so good. I was able to write so many scrolls of magic mapping and gold detection that gehennom and the planes were incredibly easy. Orb of Fate ended up being a good wish. Free luckstone, half damage and free levelporting were really convenient. I even applied it to use it like a regular crystal ball once or twice.
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https://store.steampowered.com/app/1830970/The_Last_Flame/ TFT + Slay the Spire autobattler roguelike thing, getting some positive buzz on yt https://store.steampowered.com/app/2056210/LONESTAR/ I don't know what the gently caress is going on here. Giant spaceship beam wars?
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I really liked the demo for Lonestar. But I would be hard pressed to describe it without saying "Cobalt Core but with edit: remembered it was the mythical 1-6 but they are cards instead of dice, until you upgrade your deck habituallyred fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Jan 19, 2024 |
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https://uspto.report/TM/98354576 drat
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That had better not give them the power to police the term "roguelike".
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Isn’t the current “Atari” just some trademark-squatting junk company that bought the name and hasn’t done anything to justify it Or am I thinking of something else
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