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I respected his origin and motivation and the tragedy of it and stopped him since I disagreed with his goal all the same. So is everyone going insane until DT releases or...?
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Re: Emet-Selch, dude is a monster in every sense of the word but by the end of Shadowbringers I at least understood where he was coming from and how he had reached the point he was at. It wasn't until Endwalker that I started viewing him as anything other than a bad person.
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Kyrosiris posted:Pretty much! He's completely loving awful and irredeemable but because some people want to gently caress him, that all gets completely ignored. Ibram Gaunt posted:I don't think that's true. Yeah, it really isn't. There are people like that, but they're a small minority.
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Kyrosiris posted:Pretty much! He's completely loving awful and irredeemable but because some people want to gently caress him, that all gets completely ignored.
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unless the 'some people' includes the writer of final fantasy 14 shadowbringers and endwalker
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Kyrosiris posted:Pretty much! He's completely loving awful and irredeemable but because some people want to gently caress him, that all gets completely ignored. Hey I have asked this before but uh, if you're not going actually engage with anything anyones said could you at least not try and say everyone that has a different opinion than you about any given character is just a horny deviant? That would be lovely. Like the last time there was a big serious discussion about Zenos as a character in the story people were talking about what he added to the narrative and what they liked about him and it was a pretty fun discussion minus you screaming that he was boring and sucks and everyone that disagreed with you just wanted to gently caress him. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Jan 18, 2024 |
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Jan 18, 2024 16:09
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People don't excuse the rat man because they wanna gently caress him, they wanna gently caress him because he's a compelling character.
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why are so many people in this thread mad about the idea of women being attracted to male video game characters
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Arist posted:People don't excuse the rat man because they wanna gently caress him, they wanna gently caress him because he's a compelling character. Also he's hot?  like c'mon no wonder people want to gently caress this guy
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Arist posted:People don't excuse the rat man because they wanna gently caress him, they wanna gently caress him because he's a compelling character. they also don't excuse him most of the time. Half the fan art I see on twitter about the man is how their WoL/Azem is sad to see how far this man has fallen.
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Endorph posted:why are so many people in this thread mad about the idea of women being attracted to male video game characters I don't think that has ever been said by anyone in this thread.
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rantmo posted:I don't think that has ever been said by anyone in this thread.
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are we talkin' emet or luk
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Oneiros posted:are we talkin' emet or luk Yes
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I do not want to gently caress the rat man but I understand his motivations even if I do not agree.
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Emet would be justified if he could punch harder than me. Alas...
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I do not want to gently caress the rat man or any of his descendants but I do think he's a very compelling character
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FuturePastNow posted:I do not want to gently caress the rat man or any of his descendants C'mon, Anima is clearly a throat goat.
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I can say with absolute certainty that the one thing this game's writers love is giving their bad guys tragic backstories, and that isn't going to change no matter what directions the story goes
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it's fun to like fictional villains because they are in fact fictional and going all "the character does bad things but... you like them?! mentally ill!" is some hays code poo poo you also literally kill emet-selch in a clash of ideals and i've yet to see a fan of him object to that because they wanted to join him and kill all the rest of the cast
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quiggy posted:Also he's hot? This is the real problem I have, he isn’t hot at all
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Emet has understandable, and even sympathetic motivations that make him an interesting antagonist. Since his end goals are antithetical to everything the hero has been fighting for, it's still necessary to kick his rear end and I don't think many people at all object to the rear end kicking. (the actual psychos are the people who insist that Venat is an irredeemable monster)
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goblin week posted:I just got to Shadowbringers (the quest) and loving lmao that's the sob story for the guy everyone's been jizzing about????????? I mean, the take away was supposed to be “I get why he did it, but he still deserves the eternal swirly for how he went about doing it”
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I'll never get tired of how many times FF14 sledgehammers the player with Redemption as a theme and some people don't get it or don't get why others feel sympathy to tragic characters. 6.0: I'm glad Venat wasn't turned around into being Actually Evil, especially after the spiciness about Ascian motivations and Light that Shadowbringers threw around. I suspected it might happen for a long time and I also figured that we'd have to make a hard choice when we realized we were immune to tempering because mother crystal already tempered us to light side. Important to note for the reception to Emet is that MMOs at the time were known for story being a distant consideration at best and that FF itself has had worse antagonists, so he's a genuinely good one with a cool set up and theme.
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I do know people who are catastrophically horny for Emet but, putting that aside, I think he is an interesting and compelling villain, and Endwalker really doubles down on painting the game's villains in this way. I'm interested actually in how he was received after 5.0 - like, what was the initial reason to ShB?
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There's really only one antagonist that I refused to feel anything but loathing for. And no, it's not Zenos. I just felt like I got all I needed from Zenos by the end of StB. Well, two antagonists if you count Lahabrea but I don't and neither should you.
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Cleretic posted:Yeah. I've said before, but that response basically only rings true if you actually are there for the challenge. Haven't you complained a whole ton about how healers don't have enough to do and you want it to be harder?
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Thundarr posted:(the actual psychos are the people who insist that Venat is an irredeemable monster) Really funny since the Venat minion literally tells you she is the hero of the story
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Going "Emet Selch is an irredeemable monster" sort of misses a big point of the character, which is that from his own viewpoint everything he's doing is for the greater good in a way that makes perfect sense for the culture he was born into and the situation he faced. He wasn't evil for the sake of being evil, he genuinely had the end goal of bringing back his people from the shattered and broken remains. He was engaging in the only action that seemed, to him, a way forward from the situation that wasn't leaving the world broken. It is entirely reasonable to empathize with him. He's a parallel to Ardbert who was, in his despair, perfectly willing to travel to another star and do some atrocities of his own in an attempt to save his people from what seemed to be total destruction.
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ImpAtom posted:Going "Emet Selch is an irredeemable monster" sort of misses a big point of the character, which is that from his own viewpoint everything he's doing is for the greater good in a way that makes perfect sense for the culture he was born into and the situation he faced. He wasn't evil for the sake of being evil, he genuinely had the end goal of bringing back his people from the shattered and broken remains. He was engaging in the only action that seemed, to him, a way forward from the situation that wasn't leaving the world broken. It is entirely reasonable to empathize with him. He's a parallel to Ardbert who was, in his despair, perfectly willing to travel to another star and do some atrocities of his own in an attempt to save his people from what seemed to be total destruction. Probably a complete coincidence yet I wonder if perhaps the inspiration for him was Solas from DA:I since they have very similar story arcs.
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Shinjobi posted:There's really only one antagonist that I refused to feel anything but loathing for. And no, it's not Zenos. I just felt like I got all I needed from Zenos by the end of StB. I can think of several (not counting ARR/HW Lahabrea who is too much of a cackling cartoon villain for me to feel antipathy). And probably some minor characters who got got too fast to be all that memorable. The writers are fully capable of making actually irredeemable shitheads when they want to.
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I mean Athena is right there.
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Pandaemonium 3.4: You [cannot] fix her
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I do think it's still important to note that Emet had a very deliberate and pointed attitude of "why should I care about any of you y'all aren't even *real* people" which is a pretty hosed up take regardless of how sympathetic his motivations are. Emet is complicated and messy and that's great character writing.
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Emet's situation is very sympathetic - he was tempered. The end.
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YoshiOfYellow posted:I do think it's still important to note that Emet had a very deliberate and pointed attitude of "why should I care about any of you y'all aren't even *real* people" which is a pretty hosed up take regardless of how sympathetic his motivations are. He's also lying about it, and the game doubles down on reminding the player "the claim that the Sundered are fundamentally lesser beings whom Emet doesn't care about is a gigantic bit of self delusional cope to deal with the fact that to bring back the people he loves who deserved better he's going to have to have them all killed."
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Jetrauben posted:He's also lying about it, and the game doubles down on reminding the player "the claim that the Sundered are fundamentally lesser beings whom Emet doesn't care about is a gigantic bit of self delusional cope to deal with the fact that to bring back the people he loves who deserved better he's going to have to have them all killed." Maybe that's revealed post-factum because that does not come across so far!!
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YoshiOfYellow posted:I do think it's still important to note that Emet had a very deliberate and pointed attitude of "why should I care about any of you y'all aren't even *real* people" which is a pretty hosed up take regardless of how sympathetic his motivations are. I think the interesting there is that he's not entirely wrong from his perspective. If the context was different "My friends have all been broken into pieces that may resemble them but are not them, I have to fix them" would be an entirely reasonable RPG plot hook to have. But he's also obviously wrong because he's disgusted by the idea when presented to him before the tragedy and it's clear from his behavior and actions that he is doing everything he can to disprove that to himself, up to and including taking a mortal body and having children. His entire stated reason for following the WoL around was in a hope they could disprove his assertation and that is why the Lightwarden thing makes him freak out so hard he makes the world's biggest underwater cope to deal with it. And a major sticking point for him, which again makes total sense for the character, is that then they die. They die without choice, of the most minor of things, and then they're gone. And when you come from a culture where death is a choice you go into and it takes something truly exceptional for you to for-real die, it's easy to see how that could be a sticking point for someone, especially the sole survivor of the apocalypse. (Well, besides Lahabrea.) Edit: It is still incredibly funny Lahabrea got taken out by like a basic-rear end primal. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Jan 18, 2024 |
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