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Yes the general complaint I have heard my whole life from conservatives is that we don’t need anything like that because they don’t produce anything, and often they imply or state outright that they think those people are a burden
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Perestroika posted:Yeah, for whatever reason the one scene that always stuck with me from Cryptonomicon was the one where protagonist guy was at some dinner with his wife's pals in the humanities, and the narration keeps bemoaning how very silly and unserious these humanities people are, and how only the tech protagonist had his head on straight. Listen, you just need good code, a fictional open-minded absolute monarch with his own feudal country, a trove of nazi gold, and freedom will be forever enshrined and no one wil lever be killed by thos evil Aztecs again. What's so hard to understand?
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Bad Voltage. John Littel. Pansexual hacker/hustler gangs in Paris, using the catacombs in nefarious ways. Skating and metal attachments for days. It's where I first read the idea of a small box that you could carry all your music around in. Made me so tech jealous that years later I bought that 600gb iPod when it came out just so I could put all my CDs in one place. (A Bad Move. Took 10 minutes to boot up and read everything, scrolling was a joke, out $700 bucks, never again Apple). Also, mini-speakers jamming Hendrix off the catacombs walls. So yeah, Gibson also had crystals as hard drives and famously was disappointed when he saw the real bleeding-edge tech of the day. SpeakSlow fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Jan 18, 2024 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yes the general complaint I have heard my whole life from conservatives is that we don’t need anything like that because they don’t produce anything, and often they imply or state outright that they think those people are a burden And really, it's not about the "intangible" nature of the skills, but whether they can directly extract/generate capital. A tech/finance bro doesn't really MAKE anything either- they're not inventing it, laboring to build/maintain it, or taking physical risk/toll for the comfort of others. But these things are of course valued nonetheless. Wealth and money to an extent are just emperors new clothes gobbledygook. Look at that stupid TikTok video for instance of the lady that took on massive unsecured debt to set up a bunch of air bnbs. Somehow that's better than the person that goes to school to learn books good.
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Panfilo posted:I think part of the hostility towards "humanities" is that it is often abstract concepts that don't always translate well to tangible outcomes. So someone with a real concrete way of thinking, lacking in toddler object permanence, can see that the person who designs and builds widgets to be a legitimate profession- they have something tangible to account for their labor. But the humanities major isn't producing widgets, or a thousand bushels of grain each harvest, or building a house, or keeping machinery running. It's because they don't pay well. People with money are making GBS threads on the jobs that don't make money
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HootTheOwl posted:It's because they don't pay well. They sure love farmers, coal miners, and truck drivers even though those jobs don't pay much compared to others. I think it has more to do with jobs that produce something tangible or directly extract capital.
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Antigravitas posted:Who is also the best swordfighter in the metaverse (because he wrote the code). I saw him read maybe five years ago any my read was the man was (at least at that point) Profoundly Depressed
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bird food bathtub posted:The main character is named "Hiro Protagonist", that should be a gigantic clue that it's maybe a bit tongue-in-cheek. And yet... 
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TBF Profoundly depressed is a reasonable reaction to Covid/TRUMP
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Higher ed is also treated like a magical jobs factory. Any coursework outside of your major is often seen as an unnecessary hurdle to extract more time, tuition, and fees out of you. Your education is only worthwhile if you use your degree in a related field. And whether you get a job out of school or not, that debt is heavy and it stings to pay on it. If you end up in a job that doesn't utilize your degree, it was a waste. What hits the humanities students harder is the lack of work and how difficult it can be to find direction out of school. Some dive into grad school hoping to land a job in academia, some work in whatever they can. When you're out if school, broke, and saddled with debt and are not working or underemployed, that resentment for school plants itself and you never really get over it. When your siblings or friends went to school for jobs in computers, medicine, or tech and are not struggling as much or at all, you blame yourself for not majoring in something else and getting a real job, and that resentment for school grows and you blame yourself. There's a lot of schools out there that take advantage of nerdy high schoolers that want to get into game design, animation, or comics and charge them like they're going to RISD or CalArts for an education that a state school would have taught them all or most of the same thing for far less, but a traditional art or writing program probably won't satisfactorily cater to your needs and for-profits know how to lure you in to pursue your geeky interests. There's also the push by governments for STEM education and jobs to be competitive. Which all distills down to tech being the real driver. It turns out that science and math aren't a priority unless they drive tech, and engineering is secondary to technology. I would rather stuff a loaded weapon in my mouth and pull the trigger than learn to code. I'd do my English comp/rhet education all over again if I had the chance to go back. It's my education and I don't have to validate it to anyone else why I got it or what I intend to do with it.
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Panfilo posted:They sure love farmers, coal miners, and truck drivers even though those jobs don't pay much compared to others. I think it has more to do with jobs that produce something tangible or directly extract capital. These jobs all make money
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Panfilo posted:They sure love farmers, coal miners, and truck drivers even though those jobs don't pay much compared to others. I think it has more to do with jobs that produce something tangible or directly extract capital. They love the platonic ideal. Basically what you’d see in children’s books. Same goes for troops, first responders, etc. The moment those groups fail to live up to those ideals, they are suddenly woke and despicable. As a parent with small children, I’m finding that conservatives are basically articulate toddlers. And even that’s an insult to my four year old, who’s showing way more empathy to ‘strangers’ than conservatives.
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morothar posted:As a parent with small children, I’m finding that conservatives are basically articulate toddlers. And even that’s an insult to my four year old, who’s showing way more empathy to ‘strangers’ than conservatives. “Articulate” is debatable in some cases. Many such cases, even, the biggest cases you’ve ever seen, right out of central casting.
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Panfilo posted:They sure love farmers, coal miners, and truck drivers even though those jobs don't pay much compared to others. I think it has more to do with jobs that produce something tangible or directly extract capital. Republicans love them because they vote Republican. They vote Republican because they play to their racism and convince them they'll keep them working and won't regulate their jobs or businesses out of existence. Republicans will even show up to meet them and their community. It's a total fuckin grift and completely insincere, but Republican politicians know how to appeal those people. Farmers, miners, truck drivers, and so on vote for Republicans and their empty promises because the only alternative they know is poverty.
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Star Man posted:Republicans love them because they vote Republican. They vote Republican because they play to their racism and convince them they'll keep them working and won't regulate their jobs or businesses out of existence. Republicans will even show up to meet them and their community. It's a total fuckin grift and completely insincere, but Republican politicians know how to appeal those people. Farmers, miners, truck drivers, and so on vote for Republicans and their empty promises because the only alternative they know is poverty. They're still in poverty even while voting for Republicans, the Rs will just poo poo on the people they hate. They don't know how to feel genuine joy, love, or empathy, and schadenfreude is the closest they can get.
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HootTheOwl posted:These jobs all make money The median wage of agriculture employees in the US is half of that of the overall median wage across all fields.
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Panfilo posted:The median wage of agriculture employees in the US is half of that of the overall median wage across all fields. Republicans like farm owners, not farm workers. They also like if the latter can't vote, unionize, or get legal protections. "Farmers" as viewed in politics is pretty much only about people who own farms, who probably/maybe also do some work on their ag business, but also can be blindingly stupid like the old Georgia situation where suddenly all the farms found they had nobody to actually pick crops.
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That's true. Really if you think about it the republican perception of a farmer is this rather fictionalized depiction of someone owning and working their own lens. Citations Needed had a podcast episode about the "Settler Colonialist" aesthetic they really fetishize. They like people that "make things" and "fix things" but it's really inconsistent like a lot of their rhetoric. The person who supposedly makes the food is valued but the person that prepares it? Not so much. Farmers Feed America but have fun gnawing on all that unhusked barley they made. The people who drive are stuff around are valued, but the people who drive our people around are not.
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It’s hard to rationalize conservative thought and thinking because so much of it is based on false premises and self-serving assumptions, all bolstered by a hermetically sealed media bubble that curates news and analysis tailored specifically to reinforce those false premises.
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The right loves blue collar manual professions when, and only when, they adhere to the rugged individual stereotype, don't insist on being paid what they're worth, and go along with whatever cultural narrative the right is currently hung up on. When they unionize, develop class consciousness, or dare to express empathy for people unlike themselves, they get written off as anarchists/radicals/socialists/commies/whatever we're calling The Enemy these days.
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They love then because they vote republican, but they would never look them in the eye
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Panfilo posted:The median wage of agriculture employees in the US is half of that of the overall median wage across all fields. An ag employee is hired by the farmer :rollseyes:
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"The Deep State has infiltrated your site, Elon! Your secret woke employees are shadowbanning me! Help me, Elon!! Help meeeeeeeeeeeee!!!" https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/wayne-root-does-elon-musk-know-conservatives-patriots/ The replies to the article are even more insane.
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...! posted:"The Deep State has infiltrated your site, Elon! Your secret woke employees are shadowbanning me! Help me, Elon!! Help meeeeeeeeeeeee!!!" Oh this one's great. People are leaving Twitter in droves and that means all of Musk's heroes are seeing their engagement numbers nosedive, rather than accept reality online chuds have started theorizing and witch-hunting for the secret moderator that's shadowbanning them 
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Lotta statements in those comments about how Elon is extremely left wing so he actually wants them gone. People perplexed that "I was banned just for saying slurs/'Hitler was right'/etc." Absolutely sane online discourse. Edit: Also some "The 'Community Notes' feature is clearly being weaponized by the Deep State, who have discovered that it can be a useful tool to discredit truthful posts from True American Patriots!" Just a whole lot of  from these nutjobs.
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https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1748138686112465353?t=_tXszh4e08PntWlnSVZmZg&s=19 Didn't Alabama try a bit of this and they had no one to pick tomatoes as a result?
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Panfilo posted:https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1748138686112465353?t=_tXszh4e08PntWlnSVZmZg&s=19 Also Kansas tried it under Brownback and it tanked the state services and economy so hard they tossed him out and elected a Democrat. She's still in office
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Panfilo posted:https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1748138686112465353?t=_tXszh4e08PntWlnSVZmZg&s=19 lol at "anti-white racism would be the law" from the guy whose comic strip was dropped by literally every US newspaper (and his distributor) because of his ultra-racist YouTube rant.
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Stop stop he's already dead! https://twitter.com/CantEverDie/status/1748161120697831532?t=a-u3OSVsHDbu4YaHCr93yg&s=19
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Re: the humanities stuff, there are reasons why it is good as a national policy to send as many people as possible to college, and reasons why it is a good idea for an individual to choose to go when they're footing the expenses, and those reasons aren't the same and sometimes they're in opposition to each other. The conservative modus operandi involves failing to separate the two and/or just refusing to acknowledge that the "national policy" reasons are legitimate, i.e. "it's a bad idea to take on loads of debt for a history major so I guess it's bad policy to be subsidizing history education." The reverse is contradictory too, since the same people complaining about credentialism (which assumes zero-sum effects in the domestic labor market) also think it's a good idea to pile everybody into a handful of majors, but the point is to both undermine the idea of education as national policy AND undermine humanities education because humanities education tends to involve ideas that are inconvenient for wealthy assholes, and modern "conservatism" is a manufactured just-so ideology that exists to legitimize wealthy assholes.
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Panfilo posted:Stop stop he's already dead! Holy poo poo, just zero self respect. Reminds me of asking my gay roommate why he voted Republican. Him: I like their fiscal policies. Me: THEY WANT YOU BACK IN THE CLOSET. DEAD WOULD BE EVEN BETTER. I will never understand why some people support a party whose politicians would spit on them if they ever met.
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Lol https://twitter.com/HalfwayPost/status/1747389095414730794?t=u0qsxhVo0HEUoadiMOuCbg&s=19  How could there possibly be so many face eating leopards that would be biting my face in the face eating leopard party?
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...! posted:Holy poo poo, just zero self respect. My ex's mom had a friend who was gay and a huge trump guy. He was just super racist.
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Panfilo posted:Lol I thought the GOP was the "don't care if you're black, white, purple, from outer space, it's just about can you get the job done" party???
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Panfilo posted:Lol Minority person is shocked that racists don't like his race.
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Space Fish posted:I thought the GOP was the "don't care if you're black, white, purple, from outer space, it's just about can you get the job done" party??? I know, right? That's what they tell me on Twitter. That they are truly colorblind, that it is the left that make everything about race and can't see people for who they are.
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Ambitious Spider posted:My ex's mom had a friend who was gay and a huge trump guy. He was just super racist. I've heard this is related to intersectionality. That being gay has prejudices working against it, but being white and possibly well off can somewhat mitigate it so you can have a surprising number of wealthy white gay white men that are conservative. I wonder if that's the case with trans people too - Caitlyn Jenner is super wealthy, and Buck Angel and Blaire White "pass" better to normies and perhaps that's why those three are so right wing?
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Panfilo posted:I wonder if that's the case with trans people too - Caitlyn Jenner is super wealthy, and Buck Angel and Blaire White "pass" better to normies and perhaps that's why those three are so right wing? From what I have been able to tell from the outside (I had a trans male friend who viewed Buck Angel as an inspiration before his more poo poo-headed views were commonly known), it's possible for a sort of "gently caress you, got mine" attitude to appear with prominent trans people. They'll go through trials, face prejudice, and struggle, but when they make it through, their specific mode and method of transition sorta gets "locked in" as the only true, valid way to do it. So, they start gatekeeping, and that's how you get people who have transitioned saying that nonbinary people don't exist, or that people don't "count" as trans until they 100% pass so you shouldn't respect their pronouns until then, etc. From that point they go the "why I left the Left (people were mean to me online)" route, and that's that. Although yeah with Caitlyn Jenner I'm pretty sure her Republican activism has more to do with her "immune to charges of manslaughter" amounts of wealth than anything else.
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Panfilo posted:I've heard this is related to intersectionality. That being gay has prejudices working against it, but being white and possibly well off can somewhat mitigate it so you can have a surprising number of wealthy white gay white men that are conservative. What makes anyone prejudiced? The way I see it, the same things make an LGBT person, African American person, or some other minority group member prejudiced. In general I think that being a member of a minority group that experiences prejudice makes people less likely to be prejudiced themselves, but it's hardly universal. On the LGBT side, I've encountered people who are *just* accepting enough to accept themselves but oppose anything "more" than that.
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