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Slugworth posted:Started watching Lynch Dune for the first time. Toxic Mental posted:It's really good and you're drat fool, Smugworth You're both correct. It's really good because it's also hilariously bad.
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Dune 1984 is one of those rare movies where sometimes it looks really good and sometimes it looks bad. It is a land of contrasts. I still love it tho.
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Jan 18, 2024 07:34
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There's a right one? Because the "weirding modules" thing always threw me right out of it. I like Lynch, I love Dune, but I do not like Lynch Dune.
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Jan 18, 2024 07:36
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there is definitely an edit and I forget the name but somebody will know and it is like the perfect Dune movie. But I also think the weirding modules are awesome and way better than David Lynch trying to somehow put karate on screen. in fact as a dune freak and a dude in Paris I love a lot of things that he put in that movie. chaaaaa SA! in the good edit there is no rain for instance that's one of the bad things. poo poo is it called the spice edit? edit I meant to say Dune purist but I wish I was a dude in Paris right now so I'm leaving it kiimo fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Jan 18, 2024 |
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Jan 18, 2024 07:53
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I was really wondering why being in Paris made you an authority but I was just gonna go with it.
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Jan 18, 2024 08:38
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Only Parisians know good Lynch edits
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Jan 18, 2024 08:51
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I read "dude in paris" and thought "well, fair enough, they probably know what they're talking about"
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Jan 18, 2024 09:31
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Slugworth posted:Started watching Lynch Dune for the first time. The shield effect was apparently an incredibly involved special effect, here's corridor crew trying to replicate the effect in modern gfx https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C09-xuAXWpk
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Jan 18, 2024 09:51
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Lynch Dune is an utter disaster of a film and a very awkward and gross adaptation of material that I feel strongly about. However, it is an extremely interesting disaster and sort of a time capsule of the precise end of golden age sci-fi in film. After Dune bombed many of the aspects of sci-fi that its style sought to emphasize started to disappear rapidly and were replaced with a much more slick and cynical studio apparatus. Verhoeven ended up being one of the only directors that seemed able to both take advantage of the emergent audience/filmmaker paradigm in sci-fi after Star Wars/Dune while also deconstructing it and mocking its more shallow impulses. After Dune there were only a few prominent sci-fi films releases I can think of that were still still attempting what Dune had in 1984, one of them being Lifeforce the very next year, and that was also a huge bomb that further entrenched the shift in audience taste and what could be produced thereafter. I recall the very golden age Enemy Mine was also '85, a huge flop, and might as well be unknown to history at this point. Aliens/The Terminator is a very notable turning point imo. If you look at both The Thing and Blade Runner from 1982, they both kind of bombed but Blade Runner was reassessed when its less classically styled Director's Cut hit home video, a marked improvement imo but still notably a tonal shift. The Thing feels like an outlier because the concept is pure golden age DNA, but the execution was utterly post-modern and cynical in the very best way, and I think its failure had more to do with people simply not understanding how to approach Carpenter's style. Otherwise the sci-fi genre after Aliens was getting a lot more slick as it winked at the audience.
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Jan 18, 2024 10:04
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kiimo posted:there is definitely an edit and I forget the name but somebody will know and it is like the perfect Dune movie. But I also think the weirding modules are awesome and way better than David Lynch trying to somehow put karate on screen. in fact as a dune freak and a dude in Paris I love a lot of things that he put in that movie. chaaaaa SA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yw2nGCUPa4
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Jan 18, 2024 11:10
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kiimo posted:in the good edit there is no rain for instance that's one of the bad things. poo poo is it called the spice edit? I searched past memories to the era of one page ago: Admiralty Flag posted:spicediver edit
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Jan 18, 2024 11:11
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How were you able to access last page memories? Abomination!
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Jan 18, 2024 11:38
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Slugworth posted:The shield effect is hysterical, even allowing for the fact that it's 40 years old. Aliens came out two years later. Why does this look so cheap?? Whaa? I thought the shield effect was one of the cooler/less dated effects in the whole thing
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Jan 18, 2024 11:54
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kiimo posted:there is definitely an edit and I forget the name but somebody will know and it is like the perfect Dune movie. But I also think the weirding modules are awesome and way better than David Lynch trying to somehow put karate on screen. in fact as a dune freak and a dude in Paris I love a lot of things that he put in that movie. chaaaaa SA! It's this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B6jgkcANRE
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Jan 18, 2024 12:00
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David Lynch is a bit of a hack in some days, BUT the Villeneuve movie has a regrettable paucity of Sir Patrick Stewart leading his men into battle with a gun in one hand and an Atreides battle-pug in the other, and that is frankly unforgivable.
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It was barely Lynch’s movie. He didn’t have the power to edit it iirc
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Jan 18, 2024 14:27
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Lynch didn’t get final cut which is why he disavowed the movie and still seems pretty pained about it even 40 years later(!) For all that though, it is intensely Lynchian, the fact that it got taken away from him and mangled is Lynchian as anything else, and i can’t not love it
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Jan 18, 2024 14:32
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Enemy Mine rules
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Jan 18, 2024 16:24
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Yeah basically all the good parts are Lynch getting weird with it, but as a whole you can just watch, like, any other Lynch movie
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Jan 18, 2024 16:24
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but i don't want to watch another lynch movie, i want to watch the battle pug movie
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Having read Evry's A Masterpiece in Disarray and Naha's The Making of Dune, the basic problem is that adapting Dune to a 2ish hour movie is somewhere between incredibly difficult and impossible. Significantly, Villeneuve and the Syfy miniseries didn't even pretend to try, Jodorowsky wanted to do something insane that was 2 hours long, and Ridley Scott decided it was impossible and dropped the project. But even if there was a really good and efficient script, making the movie required a lot of budgetary discipline, and Lynch and Raffaella De Laurentiis did not have the experience at the time to hold such a complex production to schedule. Some of the effects were incredible, I especially love the Arrakeen landing field scene. Originally, post-production effects were supposed to be provided by John Dykstra's Apogee (Dyskstra basically invented modern special effects working on Star Wars), but Lynch had blown through the budget filming weird little scenes that got cut and the production could no longer afford Apogee. The second choice effects shops did the best they could with the crumbs that were left, but the end results were a lot closer to "Dune: Sweded" than anything out of ILM. Anyways, can I get uh... spice coffee?
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Whatever merits and demerits Lynch Dune has, I rarely see Kyle MacLachlan take any of the criticism which is sort of flummoxing to me. He's obviously great in so many things, but he just seemed wildly unsuited to the part of Paul and that sits like a millstone around the neck of the film- moreso as Paul transforms from a wide-eyed kid into a cult figure. Beyond merely being too old for the role, he seems to try play Paul a bit like Luke Skywalker, which is not at all what that role required.Biffmotron posted:adapting Dune to a 2ish hour movie is somewhere between incredibly difficult and impossible. Significantly, Villeneuve and the Syfy miniseries didn't even pretend to try, Jodorowsky wanted to do something insane that was 2 hours long, and Ridley Scott decided it was impossible and dropped the project. I agree with this. I really love the new Dune, but it does seem to try to split the difference by including a little bit of so many ideas and themes from the book rather than excising a few entirely and focusing on a couple themes (religion, ecology, colonialism, palace intrigue, etc.). Also the book is pretty infamous for how little time is dedicated to action scenes. The sandcrawler bit is fairly long, but the final attack on Arrakeen is amazingly brief, and it's that brevity that gives the book room to explore all the weird poo poo that people love about Dune. Whereas in the Villeneuve movie that ratio seems to be almost inverted. Not a giant surprise given that film has its own strengths and weaknesses, but I do wish more time was given over to dialogue. Jewmanji fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Jan 18, 2024 |
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Mad Hamish posted:David Lynch is a bit of a hack in some days, BUT the Villeneuve movie has a regrettable paucity of Sir Patrick Stewart leading his men into battle with a gun in one hand and an Atreides battle-pug in the other, and that is frankly unforgivable. The fight that takes place in is in part 2, so there's still hope.
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skasion posted:Lynch didn’t get final cut which is why he disavowed the movie and still seems pretty pained about it even 40 years later(!)
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Jan 18, 2024 18:01
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Lynch's Dune is the best Warhammer 40K movie ever made.
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He disavowed the later remake the studio did for TV. His name is on the theater version
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kiimo posted:Enemy Mine rules This is absolutely correct
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Jewmanji posted:Whatever merits and demerits Lynch Dune has, I rarely see Kyle MacLachlan take any of the criticism which is sort of flummoxing to me. a bold stance, but if i may propose a counterpoint: https://twitter.com/Kyle_MacLachlan/status/1650562752258138114
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Jewmanji posted:I agree with this. I really love the new Dune, but it does seem to try to split the difference by including a little bit of so many ideas and themes from the book rather than excising a few entirely and focusing on a couple themes (religion, ecology, colonialism, palace intrigue, etc.). Also the book is pretty infamous for how little time is dedicated to action scenes. The sandcrawler bit is fairly long, but the final attack on Arrakeen is amazingly brief, and it's that brevity that gives the book room to explore all the weird poo poo that people love about Dune. Whereas in the Villeneuve movie that ratio seems to be almost inverted. Not a giant surprise given that film has its own strengths and weaknesses, but I do wish more time was given over to dialogue. Yeah Duncan's ornithopter escape in DUNC is cool and looks amazing but really it seems a bit out of sorts with the rest of the film and the book in particular.
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priznat posted:Yeah Duncan's ornithopter escape in DUNC is cool and looks amazing but really it seems a bit out of sorts with the rest of the film and the book in particular. My biggest problem with that scene is Momoa just had a look of mild irritation the entire time, like he's at an intersection and the car in front of him won't move on green.
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The part of DUNC's escape that rustled my jimmies the most is that his ornithopter is shielded and they're still firing las guns at him, so we won't have any discussion of the shield/las gun interaction in D2NC. Which I guess isn't the worst thing to get rid of since we don't (I think) see a shield/las interaction until either Heretics or Chapterhouse so it's irrelevant from a film perspective.
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Toxic Mental posted:Isn't there some Tolkien-reinforced evidence that Tom Bombadil is actually literally the God of the LOTR universe There is a canonical God of the LOTR universe, it's Eru Iluvatar, and he is very much not a 'hey nonny nonny' kind of deity. Or indeed, like, directly active in the world with very rare exceptions.
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Jewmanji posted:Whatever merits and demerits Lynch Dune has, I rarely see Kyle MacLachlan take any of the criticism which is sort of flummoxing to me. He's obviously great in so many things, but he just seemed wildly unsuited to the part of Paul and that sits like a millstone around the neck of the film- moreso as Paul transforms from a wide-eyed kid into a cult figure. Beyond merely being too old for the role, he seems to try play Paul a bit like Luke Skywalker, which is not at all what that role required. the gently caress?
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Cacator posted:My biggest problem with that scene is Momoa just had a look of mild irritation the entire time, like he's at an intersection and the car in front of him won't move on green. lmao yeah I was wondering if it was in there just to get Momoa some more screen time but yeah he looks bored as hell in it. I think he was a terrible choice for Duncan really but whatever, not in it much.
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Eru is a hard working man in the time of LOTR, but yeah maybe that is an exception
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Jesus In A Can posted:The part of DUNC's escape that rustled my jimmies the most is that his ornithopter is shielded and they're still firing las guns at him, so we won't have any discussion of the shield/las gun interaction in D2NC. Which I guess isn't the worst thing to get rid of since we don't (I think) see a shield/las interaction until either Heretics or Chapterhouse so it's irrelevant from a film perspective. feedmegin posted:There is a canonical God of the LOTR universe, it's Eru Iluvatar, and he is very much not a 'hey nonny nonny' kind of deity. Or indeed, like, directly active in the world with very rare exceptions. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Jan 18, 2024 |
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Jan 18, 2024 19:18
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Mamoa kind of sucks as dunc-an. It's not a fatal mistake but still good luck with that in messiah
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:
Bombadil is Iluvatar's layabout little brother.
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No Mods No Masters posted:Mamoa kind of sucks as dunc-an. It's not a fatal mistake but still good luck with that in messiah Someone like Timothy Olyphant when he was younger would have been really good. Momoa can’t be serious enough.
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Spazzle posted:Bombadil is Iluvatar's layabout little brother. Tom Bombadil as Billy Beer Carter tracks
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