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Harold Fjord posted:I think it makes most sense to treat balance moves like tumble through if you aren't doing anything excessively complicated. I would assume 'fall' means 'go prone in your current square' unless you're balancing above the ground, in which case you'd fall straight down.
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Pryce posted:I would assume 'fall' means 'go prone in your current square' unless you're balancing above the ground, in which case you'd fall straight down. Right but then it's the same as crit fail quote:Critical Success You move up to your Speed. I like the idea that you can scramble at half speed before you end up prone. It's the only interpretation I can come up with to even have that as an -or- Otherwise I would put the failure result as "you flail in place and the action is wasted'
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Harold Fjord posted:Right but then it's the same as crit fail NVM, I see what you're saying now. GimpInBlack fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Jan 9, 2024 |
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Harold Fjord posted:Right but then it's the same as crit fail My interpretation is that fail gives you the option to just go "nope, gently caress it, waste the action", whereas a crit fail says fall on your rear end, do not pass go, do not collect 200 gold.
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Kyrosiris posted:My interpretation is that fail gives you the option to just go "nope, gently caress it, waste the action", whereas a crit fail says fall on your rear end, do not pass go, do not collect 200 gold. Yeah, but what Harold is getting at is that there's absolutely no reason you'd ever not do that, because there's nothing that actually happens if you don't choose to stop on a failure. If it said "You move half your speed and fall at the end of it or you must stop moving immediately to keep your balance" that would justify the option. But without that, it makes way more sense for the fail effect to just be "you stop moving and waste the action." About the only case I can see, which is an extreme edge case and TBH I don't even know if there's any effect like this in PF, but if for some reason you were required to move your full Speed or for some other reason couldn't stop, then I guess you'd fall prone on a failure?
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Well, I could see it in very specific cases, like if it was your last action anyways and you have ways to mitigate the fall problems like Kip-Up or Nimble Crawl. Maybe not even the latter in emergencies where you don't want to be next to an enemy.
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GimpInBlack posted:About the only case I can see, which is an extreme edge case and TBH I don't even know if there's any effect like this in PF, but if for some reason you were required to move your full Speed or for some other reason couldn't stop, then I guess you'd fall prone on a failure? Yeah, something like Command could compel that, I think. Now granted you could also just Command them to drop prone, but a normal fail Command only gives you one action over them, so "run away" -> failed Balance, but they must move -> fall on rear end and end turn beats "go prone" -> go prone, then stand back up.
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IMO it should be the other way around, either you fall (and can use whatever actions you have remaining) or you stay still but your turn ends
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Question about a wood kineticist: would extract element work against creatures with just the plant tag? Did the wood tag exist before rage of elements?
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Big Mouth Billy Basshole posted:Question about a wood kineticist: would extract element work against creatures with just the plant tag? Did the wood tag exist before rage of elements? I don't know the official and correct answer, but if I were running that at my table I'd say "yeah sure plants are fine" b/c biology be damned, if we're exclusively using the Wood tag we'll have a very limited monster set.
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Finally had my second Outlaws of Alkenstar session. Spoilers below, obviously, if you're planning to play it. I no longer feel bad in the slightest about playing a forensic medicine investigator. We went into the scrapyard without having any potions or external sources of healing, and our oracle had used up her last heal spell, so we were depending on my Treat Wounds and Battle Medicine, and they came in super loving clutch with good rolls for First Aid/Battle Medicine when party members went down to a rusty ooze and a bug swarm. Things got tense, but we pulled through - and I finally remembered to Pursue Leads, so I got some free stratagem rolls off those, and I actually ended up with a pocket 20 on one of them. THAT was fun to fire off.  Things were kinda feast or famine tonight, actually. Plenty of nat 20s, but plenty of nat 1s as well. We're still only partway through the scrapyard, but things are quite exciting!
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I'm a bit confused over this 2e Remaster 'core' business. If I buy the Advanced Players Guide that's available now, will the rules be compatible? Or should I hold off until the 'Core' A. Players Guide comes out?
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Player Core 1 and Player Core 2 combined are the Remaster counterpart of the Core Rulebook and Advanced Player's Guide combined, basically. Player Core 1 and Player Core 2 have 8 classes each, as opposed to the 12/4 split of the CRB and APG. PC1 contains the Witch, but the Swashbuckler, Oracle, and Investigator will be in PC2.
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If your budget allows it, I'd wait for Player Core 2 at this moment in time. The overwhelming majority of content really is the same, but the organization/codification is going to be easier on your mind.
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Fuligin posted:I'm a bit confused over this 2e Remaster 'core' business. If I buy the Advanced Players Guide that's available now, will the rules be compatible? Or should I hold off until the 'Core' A. Players Guide comes out? Yes and yes. Errata for the Advanced players guide is here: https://paizo.com/pathfinder/faq Mostly paladin stuff because the removal of alignment impacts their class the most. You could just print that out and stick it in the book and be completely up to date with the rules. Ish. The classes have been moved around in the new set of books. One of the APG classes is the Witch, but in the remaster that is in Player Core 1, and apparently it changed quite a bit. So you're only getting 3 "new" classes instead of 4: investigator, oracle, swashbuckler. In the new set; Player Core has bard, cleric, druid, fighter, ranger, rogue, witch, and wizard. Player Core 2 isn't available until July and will have: alchemist, barbarian, champion, investigator, monk, oracle, sorcerer, and swashbuckler. The APG has some cool stuff that is compatible with, but eclipsed by, the 2 new Player Cores. If you're on a budget I'd wait for the new book and use Nethys for now, but if $50 isn't a big deal to you then the APG is still a solid book.
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ZZT the Fifth posted:Finally had my second Outlaws of Alkenstar session. Spoilers below, obviously, if you're planning to play it. That's great news. Sounds like it's working exactly as intended. We held our first Fist of the Ruby Phoenix session today. It was a bit frustrating as I didn't make sure more than one character put points into Religion, but only in the most marginal way. Overall the first location went very well with everyone getting good moments to shine. Only problem is my Thaumaturge player is more visual than verbal, so we need to design some flowcharts to keep the combat moving along. Not his fault either, because Thaumaturge is one of the more litigious classes.
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Fuligin posted:I'm a bit confused over this 2e Remaster 'core' business. If I buy the Advanced Players Guide that's available now, will the rules be compatible? Or should I hold off until the 'Core' A. Players Guide comes out? To go into a bit more detail, every 2e book (including the APG) is mostly compatible with the Remaster. You'll have to do some minor changes, but it mostly amounts to ignoring spell schools and changing flatfooted to off guard. You'll have to do a bit more to remove alignment damage, but that change is for the best. And for books like Bestiary 2-3 and Dark Archives and so on, that's it. They work fine, keep it up. But the Advanced Players Guide is in a weird spot, because the Players Core 1 and 2 are being written to present everything in the original core book and APG as a coherent whole and sprucing up the classes in the process. So, if you buy the APG now, you're kind of just buying something you can get a slightly better version of in six months.
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Thanks for the info all, sounds like 'wait'
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whoops wrong thread
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Fuligin posted:Thanks for the info all, sounds like 'wait' To really Tl;dr everyone else’s posts: There are four rulebooks that you Should Not Buy at this point: Core Rulebook Game MasteryGuide Advanced Player’s Guide Bestiary The first three of these books have had their contents updated and rearranged across the Player Core 1, GM Core and Player Core 2. The Bestiary is getting replaced by an updated Bestiary. PC1 and GMCore are out, PC2 and the Bestiary are due this summer. If you happen to already own any of those four books, they are all still fine, but if you want to relate it to new material going forward you’re going to need to check out a bunch of errata over time etc. Anything else, like Secrets of Magic, Dark Archive, Guns and Gears, any of the Lost Omens books, you can just freely grab right now and it’s all good.
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Chevy Slyme posted:To really Tl;dr everyone else’s posts: Also of note, Rage of Elements already has a number of changes that made it into the remaster, so it's more readily compatible than those older books that still have some weird tags regarding say, spell mechanics and schools going on.
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With the Remastered Witch Familiar - what are useful things a Familiar can be used for?
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The Slack Lagoon posted:With the Remastered Witch Familiar - what are useful things a Familiar can be used for? Casting Final Sacrifice.
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The Slack Lagoon posted:With the Remastered Witch Familiar - what are useful things a Familiar can be used for? Scouting (although the rules about familiars in exploration and downtime mode are still rather fuzzy) Bonuses to skills Making hexes more powerful Action economy shenanigans
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Chevy Slyme posted:Casting Final Sacrifice. I wonder if there's Bravo's Brew on the sun.
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The Slack Lagoon posted:With the Remastered Witch Familiar - what are useful things a Familiar can be used for? Stitching strike or the other equivalent is a decent once-per-battle option and since it's a familiar ability it only costs you an action to order it to use it. Haven't had a chance to use the higher level abilities yet. The resentment patron ability stands out in particular though, because it lets you maintain afflictions like frightened as long as you position your familiar carefully, whenever you cast or sustain a hex, which you should do, because they've great. They were always useful before remaster too, they just required investment.
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I went through Pathbuilder and tried to build my Ranger up to level 11. My plan is to take Beastmaster and have my companion engage while I snipe from afar. It's not exactly optimal, but I think this build strikes a good balance between playstyle, roleplay, and efficacy. I haven't built out to level 20 yet, but any advice for this character? https://pathbuilder2e.com/launch.html?build=641504
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Pollyanna posted:I went through Pathbuilder and tried to build my Ranger up to level 11. My plan is to take Beastmaster and have my companion engage while I snipe from afar. It's not exactly optimal, but I think this build strikes a good balance between playstyle, roleplay, and efficacy. I haven't built out to level 20 yet, but any advice for this character? One note, the Ride feat may be of limited utility if you're planning on riding an animal companion.
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I hate coming into this thread to complain but man I just have direct evidence that my DM is adding a lot of abilities to monsters and weakening weaknesses to enemies against my group. How can I respectfully ask someone to not add attack of opportunity to every boss* and higher level monster? Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 09:32 on Jan 18, 2024 |
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Nelson Mandingo posted:How can I respectfully ask someone to not add attack of opportunity to every monster? 'the game is not balanced around universal attacks of opportunity and you are making it unfun for us, please stop.'
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"If you wanted to play 5e we could have just played 5e."
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Nelson Mandingo posted:I hate coming into this thread to complain but man I just have direct evidence that my DM is adding a lot of abilities to monsters and weakening weaknesses to enemies against my group. That sucks. I was in a game where the GM would keep adding the elite template to enemies in encounters that were already two levels above the party. It's frustrating as heck when every battle turns into a grinder.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:I hate coming into this thread to complain but man I just have direct evidence that my DM is adding a lot of abilities to monsters and weakening weaknesses to enemies against my group. Could be worse!  https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/198zuqm/gm_only_allows_2_actions/
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Azran posted:Could be worse! “My GM has an absolutely deranged houserule” is my favorite genre of whiny pathfinder Reddit post tbh.
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Reddit OP posted:when I asked it basically was this is my world and i dont like the 3 action economy Well gently caress you too, GM dude, I don't like you, either!
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The funniest bit is he left it in for the enemies, its just PCs who get his butchered action economy. Also you can still do 3 action things! As long as you also give up your ability to do a reaction and the (singular) free action he allows per turn. And yes talking counts against that (singular) free action so you need to sit in silence until your turn comes again. You can also do 2 strikes for a single action as long as you take the -5 and -10 MAP for them even if they're your first and only 'attack'.
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Paralyze TPK'd my buddies 40 years ago in AD&D and Abom Vaults has continued the tradition, which I am not happy about. In fact I'm generally not happy with Abom Vaults in general and wondering why it gets so much love. It has a lot of fights in lovely, cramped locations and frequent encounters against a single hard-hitter (boring) or against stuff with save-or-suck abilities. It's starting to feel like a real grind. Edit: Chevy Slyme posted:“My GM has an absolutely deranged houserule” is my favorite genre of whiny pathfinder Reddit post tbh. Didn't feel much like whining, though. Also it's just a fact that half of GMs are worse than average and a bunch of them think they are smarty-pants design geniuses, when in fact they are ignoramuses who have no idea what they're doing. And LOL at any GM who says it's "their world", flatly not true. Group activity. Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Jan 18, 2024 |
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Paralyze TPK'd my buddies 40 years ago in AD&D and Abom Vaults has continued the tradition, which I am not happy about. Were you running the incapacitation trait correctly? Some people really like dungeon crawls. AV does a good job giving context to the monsters present and has a lot of different directions the party can go, while allowing for a surprisingly large number of non-violent resolutions to encounters. I'd say it is in some ways harder to prep for than most adventure paths, since at any moment there are probably six different encounters the party could actually face next. Which means I'm more likely to play the monsters incorrectly or get an ability wrong. Megaman's Jockstrap posted:And LOL at any GM who says it's "their world", flatly not true. Group activity. I had to dip out of a game run by a friend because it turns out citing rules sources on AoN was "questioning his authority" and I wanted to be able to stay friends. Running a game is a lot of work and I'll frequently ask people to look up a rule we aren't certain on while it isn't their turn because it is a group activity and I don't want to slow down play. KPC_Mammon fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Jan 18, 2024 |
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KPC_Mammon posted:Were you running the incapacitation trait correctly? Yeah I did. The (spoilers for level 3 of the Abom Vault) Canker Cultists are Level 3, the party is level 3, no Incap help at all. They got hosed. A DC 20 Fortitude check was a 13+ for their Martials and they burned their hero points off trying to resist. Both Martials got taken out of the fight on the first round. The whole "The DC decreases by 1 each round" is a joke. Let them roll with Fortune or something, it's a horrible effect that resulted in the dice saying "you die".
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I had a fighter who spent nearly a dozen turns paralyzed in one of those fights. The rest of the team was really bad at dealing damage (one was a swashbuckler, wouldn't recommend at that level) and couldn't really do much. I don't think you are supposed to tackle the ghouls until level 4. Recall knowledge to know they can paralyze low level adventurers or just running like hell once the first person gets paralyzed is probably the right call. That's one of the things people like about AV, some encounters can't be brute forced, at least if you try them at the soonest opportunity, which requires a different approach than the typical AP that involves 20 linear fights, all of which you are certain to beat. Coming back later to a floor or boss you couldn't handle feels great. I think it is a bit more old school in that regard. Same group nearly had a TPK when the same fighter was confused by a wisp and proceeded to defeat the rest of the party. The only reason they didn't all die is because the confuse broke when the fighter started hitting himself. Hard CC is awful. KPC_Mammon fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Jan 18, 2024 |
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