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AlternateNu posted:Which country fields the most merchant marines worldwide? PI, India, Myanmar, some eastern euros. It changes based on labor costs. Indians are getting priced out and consoling themselves with the justifications we had decades ago about better training and engineering. Cost is the only thing that matters. The vessel flag or company also matters. US flagged vessels will get high government interest. Marshall Islands just going to sit there and sweat in the dark when they burn up all the fuel. Those are the guys I have sympathy for here. China also has their share with their state companies.
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AlternateNu posted:Which country fields the most merchant marines worldwide? It's a bit misleading to say a country "fields" merchant marine. Many merchant seaman are from the Philippines, but they're private citizen working for a company that works for a company that works for a... that owns a ship. So for example, my last job on a foreign boat, I was a Canadian citizen working on a boat flagged in the Bahamas, the captain was Norwegian, boat's owner some sort of American conglomerate, and we were running in the western Mediterranean. This table is from the 2021 UNCTAD Review of Maritime Transport:  Russia probably fell off some since, because a lot of companies won't do business with Russian manning agencies these days, but overall that's about representative. The raw numbers are harder to pin down globally, because there isn't a centralized database of seafarers and some countries have... Patchy... data. FrozenVent fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Jan 19, 2024 |
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:For fucks sake. Quote where I justified violence against civilians. This is so cynical. You think I need to show you deference because you’re likely to be a victim here, more than the civilians in Yemen or Gaza? The other people here I can at least understand where they're coming from, this level of self-absorption I find really appalling. If someone tells me they're an rear end in a top hat they can't get upset if I take them at their word. The only US flagged vessels over there are MSP/TSP vessels and carrying poo poo for the 5th fleet so maybe you could justify but I'll probably tell you to get hosed for advocating shooting at me. They have targeted indiscriminately though so probably not very upstanding citizens. Somalis faced similar arguments in support except again, instead of going after the illegal fishing or dumping they went after easy targets.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Climb down off your cross and quote it You are being a wierdo about this and you absolutely lost everyone in the room over your defense of known jerks. Literally nobody has called for the deaths of all Muslims or Yemenis unlike say…. the Houthis do on their flag. So just take the loss and move on because it’s getting tiresome.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Climb down off your cross and quote it You literally said that the Houthis are 'enforcing international law' by uh... attacking and kidnapping civilians, unless you didn't mean that when you said they were and then linked an article about them attacking a civilian ship.
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Crab Dad posted:You are being a wierdo about this and you absolutely lost everyone in the room over your defense of known jerks. Literally nobody has called for the deaths of all Muslims or Yemenis unlike say…. the Houthis do on their flag. So just take the loss and move on because it’s getting tiresome. No, I didn’t. I linked an article where they say exactly what they claim their justification is. I’m tired of everyone using the thinnest excuse to start recycling the same racist bullshit every time it becomes acceptable for a couple years before we pretend it never happened. “Arabs do it because they hate America and Jews” is not why this is happening and if you think so you’re the rear end in a top hat, not me. Butter Activities fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Jan 19, 2024 |
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:No, I didn’t. I linked an article where they say exactly what they claim their justification is. I’m tired of everyone using the thinnest excuse to start recycling the same racist bullshit every time it becomes acceptable for a couple years before we pretend it never happened. Houthis have literally said they hate Jews, but I actually don't think they are doing it because they have America or maybe even Jews. I think Houthis are doing it because they are opportunistic pirates and think think they can leverage Gazan suffering to make some extra cash. Also, it's weird that you keep conflating the Houthis with all Arabs.
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Kchama posted:Houthis have literally said they hate Jews, but I actually don't think they are doing it because they have America or maybe even Jews. I think Houthis are doing it because they are opportunistic pirates and think think they can leverage Gazan suffering to make some extra cash. I’m saying that we’re recycling the anti-Arab troupes to use against the Houthis for the current bombing campaign. I would like us to not do that. If protecting shipping was our goal we’d put our foot down with Israel constantly trying to escalate the conflict for the last two months instead, and this needs to be stressed because it seems like some people here are pretending this isn’t relevant, using our Navy to help them prevent anyone from giving aid to Gaza or intervening against a genocide themselves. You could make the same argument that the US and Soviet Union in the 1940’s stopped the holocaust because of their own cynical national interests, and you’d be right, but it doesn’t change the fact they did. I know there isn’t much we can do as individuals especially if you’re still in, but you can at the very least not pretend somehow our fight against the Houthis is about anything other than enabling Israel’s genocide. And not addressed to you but the reaction and vitriol to me saying that this is a racist troupe was this hysterical claim I support the attacking of merchant vessels and our resident merchant mariner getting really precious insulting me and pretending like he’s in some super dangerous position and I’ve wished death on him in particular is getting ridiculous. Maybe we should think carefully why we’re now bombing some of the poorest people on earth again after we just got done turning them into a nation where hundreds of thousands of them starved to death and almost 60% live in extreme poverty. Countries where we don’t starve children to death might be more receptive to westerners saying that they need to allow women to have rights. If any of the people here don’t think what is happening in Gaza or happened in Yemen is a genocide at least have the balls to say it instead of trying to quibble or pretending I said I support the bombing of random merchant ships. Butter Activities fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Jan 19, 2024 |
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:I’m saying that we’re recycling the anti-Arab troupes to use against the Houthis for the current bombing campaign. I would like us to not do that. lol what. The world’s shipping does not get held hostage for whatever a bunch of pirates declare is their reason. Perhaps they should take it up in the U.N.?
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my friend you seem to have very strong opinions about pirates somehow being actually legal and good. maybe you should try posting about it in cspam or dnd because this thread is actually about people who swore an oath that includes "fighting piracy" or randos who wander in as well so gently caress it keep on trucken
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:I’m saying that we’re recycling the anti-Arab troupes to use against the Houthis for the current bombing campaign. I would like us to not do that. Israel isn't the one attacking civilian ships to hijack and steal from. It's weird how Houthis are innocent angels in all of this. Also, you're the one declaring that saying that the Houthis are literally doing what they are doing is a 'racist troupe'. Since they have said they have Jews and are also performing piracy and civilian-attacking. You uh, KIND of have been hinting very hard that you think attacking merchant vessels is cool, since you did say "The Houthi are protecting international order." and then link to them attacking merchant vessels. Also, I don't think Houthis missile launchers or drones are feeding their starving people. Indeed, I think that is money that isn't going to feeding the people they rule over and supposedly care about.
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Crab Dad posted:lol what. The world’s shipping does not get held hostage for whatever a bunch of pirates declare is their reason. Perhaps they should take it up in the U.N.? Well maybe we can tell Israel to stop exterminating Gaza and see if that works before starting a new war ded posted:my friend you seem to have very strong opinions about pirates somehow being actually legal and good. maybe you should try posting about it in cspam or dnd because this thread is actually about people who swore an oath that includes "fighting piracy" or randos who wander in as well so gently caress it keep on trucken I have strong opinions about racist troupes being used to justify an active genocide. Are you really just going to keep making up some hysterical story that I justified random acts of piracy? And gently caress off with this “I swore an oath” poo poo, I was in too and the reason I’m sickened was because I really believed in this poo poo and I’m watching us enable sheer pointless cruelty.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Wait you are guys really pretending to be on this poo poo? You can’t think of why the Houthis would be particularly sensitive to the issue of genocide and enforced famine? You posted this as proof that people were posting ‘Islamophobic bullshit’. That they were claiming to ‘enforce international order’ by ‘stopping shipping’. That’s funny, because they’ve been doing this for years, but suddenly they said they’re doing it for a good reason, so it all changes! It’s a lot like if career bank robbers suddenly burst into a bank and screamed “THIS IS A ROBBERY… FOR GAZA!” and people started swooning at how heroic they were.
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Kchama posted:You posted this as proof that people were posting ‘Islamophobic bullshit’. That they were claiming to ‘enforce international order’ by ‘stopping shipping’. That’s funny, because they’ve been doing this for years, but suddenly they said they’re doing it for a good reason, so it all changes! It’s a lot like if career bank robbers suddenly burst into a bank and screamed “THIS IS A ROBBERY… FOR GAZA!” and people started swooning at how heroic they were. Okay sure you want me to “support” the Houthis it is certainly relatively more heroic than parking an aircraft career off a ghetto being liquidated not to stop it but in order to prevent any outside forces from getting in the way, I’ll give the pirates that. If anyone here thinks what is happening in Gaza or what we did to Yemen is totally rad I guess at least have the balls to argue that because I don’t see how you square any justification of our first resort to the instability caused by the genocide of Gaza being to drop bombs rather than tell Israel they’re done. And to respond to an earlier comment that seemed in good faith, the time to stop the genocide was not 20 years ago, it is right now, when at least 98% of the people in Gaza are probably still alive.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Okay sure you want me to “support” the Houthis it is certainly relatively more heroic than parking an aircraft career off a ghetto being liquidated not to stop it but in order to prevent any outside forces from getting in the way, I’ll give the pirates that. I don’t want you to support the Houthis, I am stating that you have defended them by taking their words at face value. And the Houthis aren’t trying to get in the way of the genocide in Gaza. They’re taking advantage of it, which is why I think they are extra scummy. They’re using the crisis to try and claim that they’re doing the right side attacking and kidnapping people. Because hey, they SAY they’re doing it for Gaza! That means you gotta support them! Otherwise, you’re a genocide-supporter! Now pay no attention as we kidnap people and fire missiles at ships completely unrelated to US, UK, Israel, or Saudis. Literally no one here thinks what happened to Gazan or Yemen civilians is fine. You keep shouting that accusation when no one has uttered a word about it. They weren’t doing it a decade ago to help Gaza, but to line their pockets.
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Yeah you guys are right, those towelheads are just pirates who hate our freedom. Code cracked. You guys are Good Socialists (TM) and if anyone makes you feel uncomfortable because you were part of an organization that helped the IDF carry out the most flagrant crime against humanity in our time they're a terrorist supporter. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Well maybe we can tell Israel to stop exterminating Gaza and see if that works before starting a new war and shooting anti ship missiles and armed drones at unarmed shipping vessels is justified how exactly?
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ded posted:and shooting anti ship missiles and armed drones at unarmed shipping vessels is justified how exactly? It's not but keep having fun with this "when did you stop beating your wife" poo poo. Your turn, justify to me how it's moral for the US Navy to park a couple carrier groups in the region and tell everyone hands off, the IDF can have a little Enstazgruppen as a treat.
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Again, you're posting against a strawman who isn't here. No one here thinks Israel, or the US, is the good guys in any of this but that doesn't make random civilian attacks by the Houthies cool and good all of a sudden. If we (the global hegemons) allow civilian shipping to be held hostage by every rear end in a top hat with an anti ship missile then we're all going to have bigger problems very quickly.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Yeah you guys are right, those towelheads are just pirates who hate our freedom. Code cracked. You guys are Good Socialists (TM) and if anyone makes you feel uncomfortable because you were part of an organization that helped the IDF carry out the most flagrant crime against humanity in our time they're a terrorist supporter. You're literally the one making racist arguments and accusing everyone else of having them. Sorry if I think attacking civilian ships, boarding them, stealing them and kidnapping their crew is bad. That I think the literal textbook definition of piracy is piracy. I'm not a fan of people making cynical, opportunistic moves to benefit themselves while loudly proclaiming themselves to be the good guys. They aren't helping Gaza at all. If they were actually doing something that benefited Gaza, especially without any benefit to themselves, then I'd praise them. But they've been doing what they've been doing for years, and only suddenly is it about Gaza. It's just completely unbelievable. SMEGMA_MAIL posted:It's not but keep having fun with this "when did you stop beating your wife" poo poo. YOU! YOU LITERALLY POSTED THAT! You posted that they were doing it to help Gaza and 'enforce international order', and by your continued defense of them you clearly believe it. So yes, you ARE justifying them.
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Serjeant Buzfuz posted:Again, you're posting against a strawman who isn't here. No one here thinks Israel, or the US, is the good guys in any of this but that doesn't make random civilian attacks by the Houthies cool and good all of a sudden. If we (the global hegemons) allow civilian shipping to be held hostage by every rear end in a top hat with an anti ship missile then we're all going to have bigger problems very quickly. Okay than maybe we should stop allowing the thing that started all this to keep going on. quote:YOU! YOU LITERALLY POSTED THAT! You posted that they were doing it to help Gaza and 'enforce international order', and by your continued defense of them you clearly believe it. So yes, you ARE justifying them.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:It's not but keep having fun with this "when did you stop beating your wife" poo poo. ok. now i get it. you found some bites so you have to keep it going. right on my man.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Okay than maybe we should stop allowing the thing that started all this to keep going on. The thing that started the Houthis piracy was allowing the Houthis piracy in the first place, so destroying their ability to continue it seems like a logical way of doing that. So, do you believe they are doing it for good reasons or not? You are calling describing their literal acts of piracy as piracy 'racist troupes', so clearly you believe they have a different motive for piracy than piracy. What is it?
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ded posted:ok. now i get it. you found some bites so you have to keep it going. right on my man. Tell me how fighting genocide fits in your oath to fight pirates or whatever. I sure don't remember anything like that when I was in. Jesus Christ, all you guys are pulling off all sorts of mental gymnastics and accusing me of all sorts of nonsense just because I said "hey maybe instead of thinking these Arabs are doing it because they're backward savages who hate America and Jews, we could actually just read what they said."
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Tell me how fighting genocide fits in your oath to fight pirates or whatever. Because actions often speak louder than words. If they only started after October 7th, then I might be more inclined to believe them. But, the fact that they have been doing it for years and have basically never attacked anyone actually involved in the genocide of Gaza means that it isn't very believable. Also, can you stop being so racist towards Arabs?
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Okay, so you're just trolling. Sorry I thought more of you. You are the only one using slurs against them or calling them 'savages'. You should stop.
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Kchama posted:You are the only one using slurs against them or calling them 'savages'. You should stop. This is vile dude. You know what you're doing.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:This is vile dude. You know what you're doing. Okay, what am I doing? I have not done anything to imply that the Houthis are representative of all Arabs. I have treated them as they are, a government. A government whose actions I disagree with, but I am not tarring all Arabs by assocation. If you notice, I wholeheartedly believe Israel are genociders and should stop, and have described what is going on in Gaza as genocide. Which is why I don't like you trying to act like criticism of Houthis is criticism of all Arabs, flinging around slurs and 'savages' like that is something anyone else but you is saying. You're trying to shove it into people's mouths to own them when you are trying to avoid saying what you believe the motives of the Houthis are or if you think they are justified or not. I find that very vile, since you are clearly hoping that acting like someone else said it first gives you free reign to say whatever you want. Kchama fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Jan 19, 2024 |
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You know that saying about how if you run into an rear end in a top hat, they're the rear end in a top hat, but if everyone you run into is an rear end in a top hat, then you're the rear end in a top hat? The last page of this thread made me think of that for some weird reason. Pointing out that the houthis suck isn't some kind of recycled anti-arab racism. Suggesting that it is dilutes actual instances of racism and serves no purpose other to try and deflect other people's very valid criticisms of a lovely group of people. You can deny this all you want but it just makes you seem desperate and unwilling to actually engage in any kind of meaningful discussion on the topic. Grip it and rip it fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Jan 19, 2024 |
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Ok that somehow went from an ok - if annoying - debate to slur slinging, so the discussion is over now. Go back to your regular navy / crabdad posting. Thank you.
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Elviscat posted:Y'all ever get woke up by the messenger, go eat, head on back to the engine room for watch, and one RO unit's overfilling the RFTs, the other's dumping brine in the bilge, the LOPs are geysering 2190 out of the water seal, one condenser has no vacuum, and ERUL doesn't know what he hosed up so he's cowering and crying in a corner, the EP is in some hosed up lineup with no procedure for recovery, the EWS and ERS are shooting the poo poo in maneuvering, who just have all the alarms cutout, and ERLL is literally just missing somehow? My eyes loving glazed over but I'm thinking it goes something like the guy walking in with pizza and the whole loving room is on fire. That about it?
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