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KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat


The two genders

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Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

KirbyKhan posted:



The two genders

it do be like that

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

high chairs are such disgusting objects

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




full plastic and weekly pressure washing is the way to go on high chairs

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
yeah the $40 plastic one from ikea is great because it's incredibly easy to clean

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




some of the booster sized ones will fit in a dishwasher just tie the straps up so they don’t get caught in the washer components.

Chad Sexington
May 26, 2005

I think he made a beautiful post and did a great job and he is good.
It's been a long week for at-home parenting.

Monday: MLK Day
Tuesday: snow day
Wednesday: sick day
Thursday: sick day
Friday: snow day

Luckily the illness is just a cold and not RSV again.

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

oof that is tough, hope your kid heals up good and quick

Brandon Proust
Jun 22, 2006

"Like many intellectuals, he was incapable of scoring a simple goal in a simple way"

Bar Ran Dun posted:

full plastic and weekly pressure washing is the way to go on high chairs

on a related note, I am convinced that the people that design car seats don’t have kids

sonatinas
Apr 15, 2003

Seattle Karate Vs. L.A. Karate

Chad Sexington posted:

It's been a long week for at-home parenting.

Monday: MLK Day
Tuesday: snow day
Wednesday: sick day
Thursday: sick day
Friday: snow day

Luckily the illness is just a cold and not RSV again.

same but from last week until yesterday. kid tested negative for everything except strep.

fun start of the year

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013
Kid is getting used to preschool! 😄

She's got a sniffle and slight fever. 😃😀😐

Dawncloack
Nov 26, 2007
ECKS DEE!
Nap Ghost
Oh man,and it's not just that the kid is sick.

I have ironhealth a.d,before having kids,got sick once every decade. That's with lots of travel, crowded conventions, etc.

And now I catch whatever my kid gets from kindergarten?? What gives!?

At leastit hits me less hard than the rest of the family so I can keep the ship sailing.

The Top G
Jul 19, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
My partner is very anti-Cocomelon and thinks that it’s uniquely damaging to children and their development. Digging into it a bit, and it seems as though the claim is based on the faster pace of the show compared to older shows. Specifically, the scenes change more frequently than other shows I’ve seen. This guy posted the original video based on one short clip:

https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7021297010313563397

So I looked into it myself and yeah he’s right about the show moving faster than other children’s shows. Is this a problem? Well, I could see the pathway looking like “ faster pace -> more stimulation -> more addictive “ but who knows. Frankly I’m a little skeptical about any effects unique to one particular show .. I think excessive screen time is the problem, more so than any particular program, so a little bit of Cocomelon is not an issue in my eyes.

Anyone here feel strongly about it, one way or another?

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




it can cause noticeable changes in behavior when they are smaller, to the point where you can test if it’s having an effect and see results in your kids.

many of the better small children’s shows are placed slowly, think Daniel Tiger coming from related research.

it seemed like there was an age threshold where it seems to matter less.

Cabbages and VHS
Aug 25, 2004

Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.

The Top G posted:

Anyone here feel strongly about it, one way or another?

I think it's a generational thing and I'd be shocked if CocoMelon is damaging in some weird way that Spongebob episodes from 20 years ago or even Garfield & Friends episodes from 35 years ago, are not. Vapid TV is vapid TV, and I don't think that consumption in some reasonable amount (and not just used as an opiate-babysitter) is loving fine

that said

cocomelon specifically is banned by name in our house when I am home and can hear it, because I find it uniquely loving annoying even compared to Mickey Mouse Clubhouse

so, I'd say I'm feverishly anti-cocomelon, but for entirely selfish "this is a kind of trash I personally dislike" reasons.

I don't love a lot of the bullshit they like; Gumball Adventures can be obnoxious and I think the animation is kind of gross, but I tend to just tune it out. Cocomelon gets turned off, they can watch that garbage at their friends' houses if they have friends with parents who are more tolerant of it.

Dawncloack posted:

And now I catch whatever my kid gets from kindergarten?? What gives!?
an obvious suggestion which my own primary care doctor is starting to be more comfortable just stating, is that there is mounting evidence that COVID can mess with your immune response to other diseases, at least for some period of time following infection. This makes a good deal of sense to me, I always thought "immunity debt" was bullshit and there's good reasons, imo, for assuming it is (we didn't actually lock down that hard, also the ongoing huge increase in respiratory illnesses since 2019 norms do not geographically correspond to places that did "lockdowns", etc). Our older kid went into childcare for most of a year prior to COVID; she got sick a bit and I got sick from her once or twice but it was nothing like what both our kids and my spouse and I have all been through over the last 24 months.

I'm in the same boat and my only solution at this point is a rabbitAir minusA2 in my office, corsi cubes around the house, and if my kids have the sniffles I wash my hands a lot more and also have even started masking when I am in close proximity to them if they have symptoms. It sucks to have to strap on an n95 to then try to comfort a screaming kid, but, I am also pretty sure the thing that gave me COVID was comforting my kid and having her just hacking in my face. If I have to do that again (when), n95, and my bug glasses if she's really hacking.

I can't deal with getting sick anymore, I had fever for 18 out of 24 consecutive days and then I got COVID. If I wasn't a full time remote worker I would probably have lost my job to sick time; as is, I worked through a bunch of days I would have preferred not to, still took like 10 days off.

Sunday will be skiing with a 7 year old... in <10F weather. Always fun!! I don't make her go, but if we do I tend to let her call the shots so weather like that probably means stops at midstations and base every run but that's fine. Ski it while you can and all.

fosborb
Dec 15, 2006



Chronic Good Poster
we have experienced nearly the full rainbow of school closures in the past week

code blue, green, red, orange and yellow

we have not had code purple (remote school) because they weren't able to get laptops out in time

the kids are bored of like everything at this point

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
what do the codes mean?

fosborb
Dec 15, 2006



Chronic Good Poster
early out, all open, all closed, closed but offices open, and 2 hour delay

obviously

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

The Top G posted:

My partner is very anti-Cocomelon and thinks that it’s uniquely damaging to children and their development. Digging into it a bit, and it seems as though the claim is based on the faster pace of the show compared to older shows. Specifically, the scenes change more frequently than other shows I’ve seen. This guy posted the original video based on one short clip:

https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7021297010313563397

So I looked into it myself and yeah he’s right about the show moving faster than other children’s shows. Is this a problem? Well, I could see the pathway looking like “ faster pace -> more stimulation -> more addictive “ but who knows. Frankly I’m a little skeptical about any effects unique to one particular show .. I think excessive screen time is the problem, more so than any particular program, so a little bit of Cocomelon is not an issue in my eyes.

Anyone here feel strongly about it, one way or another?

When my child sees TV, she's maybe interested. Depending on if it's a show she likes. She tends to pay attention to some extent, and then get bored and move away from the screen, eventually.

With CocoMelon she fixates like she's fully hypnotized.

It just seems to be better at grabbing and keeping kids attention, I think, which has knock on effects such as causing prolonged screentime easier?

CocoMelon is banned in our house cause it's irritating.

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
We banned cocomelon in advance, and unfortunately baby shark got through and it's similarlly adcitive.

Stuff like Bluey or Sesame Street catches her attention for a little while then she wanders off to do something so they're great. And it's watchable, so I'm cool with it. I'm sure none of this stuff is probably going to damage your brain but a lot of is intolerable.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
I'm more worried she's going to find my phone or any of my gaming systems

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
when I bought myself a switch I just didn't point it out to my kids. it took them about three weeks to even notice it was there.

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
same but i use my phone as a phone so jokes on her

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

HootTheOwl posted:

I'm more worried she's going to find my phone or any of my gaming systems

Keeping our 3-year-old away from our phones is a pretty constant struggle but gaming consoles might be a little too complicated for them to operate well enough to do much at all with until they're at least like 5 I think

The 3-year-old can play Mario Wonder but not very well

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

I'd definitely recommend showing kids games as toddlers because they're very effective on them. Showed my daughter Banjo-Kazooie at 2 and she was obsessed.

but today my wife texted me this pretend conversation between two of her stuffed animals



so in retrospect maybe showing her Zelda might not have been the best idea

e: That could be a verbatim conversation from Dave the Diver too come to think of it but she hasn't seen that one

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

my son is almost 4 and has never touched a tablet or held a phone. but he likes to watch cocomelon on the tv. it doesnt seem any more or less bad than other childrens programming, although the nursery rhymes do get very annoying after a while. however i think i read that nursery rhymes can help a childs brain development. who knows!

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat
You can ban any media you want from your child. They're your's, you can do what you want with them.

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat
Baby shark rules, cocomelon drools. Meekah and Blippy reign supreme

sonatinas
Apr 15, 2003

Seattle Karate Vs. L.A. Karate

loquacius posted:

I'd definitely recommend showing kids games as toddlers because they're very effective on them. Showed my daughter Banjo-Kazooie at 2 and she was obsessed.

but today my wife texted me this pretend conversation between two of her stuffed animals



so in retrospect maybe showing her Zelda might not have been the best idea

e: That could be a verbatim conversation from Dave the Diver too come to think of it but she hasn't seen that one

Zelda is merely a horse game with occasional combat for my kid.

one day she will appreciate the grinding I put in BOTW and ToTK in order for her to play it as a sandbox without dying

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

lobster shirt posted:

my son is almost 4 and has never touched a tablet or held a phone. but he likes to watch cocomelon on the tv. it doesnt seem any more or less bad than other childrens programming, although the nursery rhymes do get very annoying after a while. however i think i read that nursery rhymes can help a childs brain development. who knows!

simple rhymes and repetition definitely help i think

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

sonatinas posted:

Zelda is merely a horse game with occasional combat for my kid.

one day she will appreciate the grinding I put in BOTW and ToTK in order for her to play it as a sandbox without dying

BOTW/TOTK are too scary, I'm showing her the Link's Awakening Switch remake

It's a very harmless game with the exception that Link stabs things with a sword instead of jumping on their heads all cartoonish-like like Mario does or pecking them with a beak like Kazooie does

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

i wish my son liked watching me play map staring games but i get it, they arent very visually interesting

Chad Sexington
May 26, 2005

I think he made a beautiful post and did a great job and he is good.

lobster shirt posted:

my son is almost 4 and has never touched a tablet or held a phone. but he likes to watch cocomelon on the tv. it doesnt seem any more or less bad than other childrens programming, although the nursery rhymes do get very annoying after a while. however i think i read that nursery rhymes can help a childs brain development. who knows!

this just seems logistically unlikely

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat

lobster shirt posted:

i wish my son liked watching me play map staring games but i get it, they arent very visually interesting

Sometimes when there's a meaty text box I'll scoop up one of the babies and read it to them. I like the jrpgs with codexes and bestiaries. It's like flash cards for things that don't exist.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
My 2yo loves cars so he sits and watches me drive around in GTA5. Loves seeing the police cars

Have to resist the urge to get out and start shooting tho

Cabbages and VHS
Aug 25, 2004

Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.

HootTheOwl posted:

I'm more worried she's going to find my phone or any of my gaming systems

I've been reading to our 7 year old, Robert Aspirin's Myth Adventures books. I liked these a lot when I was 11-15, they are kind of standard joke-fantasy fare and do have some amount of stuff that doesn't read as well in 2023 as it did when I was 14 in 1995. There is nothing super offensive, and I've barely edited it reading it to her, just skipped sentences here and there that would be over her head. There's very light sexual references, but then also just some generally not great depictions of women, which I do read to her, and use as teaching moments to talk about generally lovely depictions of women in fantasy/SF and how that has, to some extent, changed or been challenged. (this has been a common theme in a lot of stuff we've read, sf/fantasy or not!)

Anyway, I was always told I had a "strong vocabulary" as a kid, but, I noticed our kid just straight up reading one of these books to herself recently, which surprised me slightly; they're not incredibly dense but they are much wordier than the stuff she brings home from the school library, mostly. I told her if she had any questions about anything to just ask.

This caused me to think pretty hard about what's actually on all of our bookshelves, but, I didn't see any reason to move anything. Possibly the most offensive thing I own is a 1st-English Printing copy of Spengler's Decline of the West that we got along with other books when my wife's grandfather died.

My phone on the other hand, yea, we're back to lock screens and that's possibly the only PIN code to poo poo she for sure does not know because it's long, it's not reused anywhere, and it's not written down anywhere. It's actually kind of terrifying how powerful my phone is in terms of doing stuff in my life that has material effects and part of me wants to become one of those litephone freaks.

She can game on whatever she wants, and my computers are incomprehensible piles of babel which do not have porn littered on the drive but do have many, many boring PDFs about A/V synthesis. Honestly I'd like to see her playing more video games, it would be another thing we could do together and might re-ignite my own interest in gaming . She likes watching me play some stuff (Disney Speedstorm, myriad platformers) but until just recently she's only wanted to play PBS Kids phone games.

My spouse got some real cheap gameboy-sized emulator things that come stacked with 400 NES roms on them, and now she has been playing Mario and Tetris. Progress!

My standing offer to my kid is that if she wants her own gaming system or any other piece of consumer hardware that costs as much as a PS5 MSRP at launch (inflation adjusted to however long it takes) -- all she has to do is beat mario 3 with no warp whistles. Emulated is fine, just no save states or speed hacks etc. I remind her of this offer about once every six months, I think at some point the lights will go on and I will suddenly see a flurry of Mario 3 related efforts.

Chad Sexington posted:

this just seems logistically unlikely

lobster shirt lives in a luddite community and secretly posts from an old Nokia phone that's kept hidden under hay bales.

Cabbages and VHS has issued a correction as of 13:29 on Jan 20, 2024

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Cabbages and Kings posted:



lobster shirt lives in a luddite community and secretly posts from an old Nokia phone that's kept hidden under hay bales.

He's not wrong.


Thanks for the stories, I just know I'm a media-addicted goon with a ton of digital hobbies because we had access to desktop computers as kids from a young age and I want better for her without being the digital dad from the digital town in digital footloose.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
This is my dilemma too. My kid begged me for Roblox but goons made me all :tinfoil: about it and I'm not sure if it's the Satanic Panic of our generation or just overblown concern, plus every kid is different. So I decided to err on the side of caution and explained to my wife, who isn't into vidya games and has no context from one other the other. She also wanted Minecraft so I told her I'd buy it for her if she paid her own money (7bux).though I have been disappointed to see that she's more interested in videos with other kids playing Minecraft than playing, experimenting, and discovering stuff herself.

At the risk of getting :corsair: I feel like when I was young I had to find more creative ways to preoccupy myself with my time and we live in a world with a lot more instant gratification. I was a voracious reader (and even most of my smartphone addiction is an extension of that-mostly reading forums/articles/etc not just passively watching videos. My older kid isn't nearly as interested in reading as a pastime and it worries me a bit. It's also a tougher sell for her-before I had a Gameboy reading books was all there was to do at my grandma's house so there wasn't other options. My kids aren't nearly as limited and telling them, "no, you can't do those fun things you like you have to READ" just makes reading itself seem even more of an unpleasant chore than it already is for her.

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
the other day my son came up to us and said he was bored and my my wife said "that's okay. it's okay to be bored sometimes."

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lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

i mean maybe my sons teachers at daycare let him mess with their phones but neither my wife nor i let him. he sees me looking at my phone a lot obviously but im not letting him watch videos on it. this is less a screen time thing and more an "i want to preserve my ability to look at my phone in peace" thing lol.

he does have a toy phone that he likes to call the zoo and ask them to take me away to live with the monkeys.

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