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Also biden let slip that saudi arabia (my dogshit stupid country that god cursed me to be born in) was about to normalize relations with Israel, which really explains why the gulf and egypt are doing everything they can to give israel the time it needs, thank goodness they're failing, but it goes to show that the arab dictatorships and israel are tied to the hip and the only way forward is the physical elimination of these guys. I am genuinely not surprised, MBS was given surveillance and aid from israel to reach where he is and kill and torture people, so I'm not surprised at all that they have a ton of blackmail on him and he has the kneepads and lipstick nice and ready. LOL if biden thinks palestine will accept being a non-armed country, loving demonic lich. Anyways, thank god hamas did the right thing, and thank god for the axis of resistance.
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Ardennes posted:If the Soviets hadn't signed a deal, German troops would have been on their current border, if the Soviets had attacked the Germans, the Western allies would have likely signed a peace and backed them against the Soviets. Britain was receptive to peace offers at various points during the early war, the issue was once the Germans took France, they were simply too powerful for the British to "control" anymore and Britain was locked in. Nah Poland itself was the point at which Germany became too much to “control” otherwise they would have just let it go like they did Czechoslovakia and Austria. Opening up a western front against Germany is the last thing you do when you want them to invade east. galagazombie has issued a correction as of 09:30 on Jan 20, 2024 |
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Also just Israel bombed a residential section of Damascus Syria but of course Bashar is too busy being a dogshit arab dictator to do anything about it. https://x.com/AJArabic/status/1748619425022873973?s=20
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galagazombie posted:Nah Poland itself was the point at which Germany became too much to “control” otherwise they would have just let it go like they did Czechoslovakia and Austria. Opening up a western front against Germany is the last thing you do when you want them to invade east. The allies basically did jack poo poo on the Western front until May 1940. If the Soviets attacked (and assuming made some progress), the allies weren't going to let them push to Berlin or set up a red Poland.
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Al-Saqr posted:Also just Israel bombed a residential section of Damascus Syria but of course Bashar is too busy being a dogshit arab dictator to do anything about it. yeah gee, I wonder if assad has other things on his plate right now.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:the most unrecognized contradiction of the war is that Turkey is waging war on Syria and ethnically cleansing Kurds while Israel genocides Gaza. Erdogan gives lip service to Palestine yet does nothing to Israel while continuing to kill Arabs and Muslims as a nationalist exercise. Granted, Erdogan also makes big speeches but really isn't doing anything against Israel either, and is still part of NATO. At best you could say, there are worse options out there, but Erdogan has done a pretty great job at picking a fight with everyone and losing. The Lira is now over 30 to the dollar (it was 8 to the dollar in 2021) and there doesn't seem much to stop its decline. I would say one issue with many of the Arab States including Egypt is also about social cleavage (similar to Syria). In 2012, the last (and one of the few) relatively free elections, Morsi got 51.27% (and was freely elected to be clear) but his opposition Shafik, an air force general and one of the old guard, still got 48.27% of the vote. Basically, one of the reasons Sisi and the military are still in power is enough people support them, not the majority, but enough. I suspect everyone is pissed at the Israelis, but the real issue is coming up with any real consensus on where to take the country. I wonder how different the Gulf states are at this point as well. It is clear though that Iraqi opinion is steadily turning against the US and even in Lebanon it doesn't seem the Maronites are that interested in keeping with the fight. Sudan is in the middle of a civil war, so we will see there as well. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 09:54 on Jan 20, 2024 |
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I hate erdogan so much because he talks and yaps and yelps but he does nothing, he literally hasnt done anything to help palestine. Piece of poo poo. at least the arab governments arent pretending anymore to not be whores.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:the most unrecognized contradiction of the war is that Turkey is waging war on Syria can someone give me two lines about how that started
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carcinofuck posted:can someone give me two lines about how that started civil war happens isis appears kurds take border areas with turkey turkey doesnt like that turkey invades
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https://www.actionaid.org.uk/latest-news/essential-aid-prevented-enteringquote:Confusing and arbitrary rules about the type of aid permitted to enter Gaza is resulting in thousands of essential items being stopped at border crossings and prevented from reaching those who desperately need it.
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Al-Saqr posted:I hate erdogan so much because he talks and yaps and yelps but he does nothing, he literally hasnt done anything to help palestine. Piece of poo poo. at least the arab governments arent pretending anymore to not be whores. Yeah, Erdogan is being extremely two faced, it is clear he needs to keep more religious Turks on his side but he has a thousand other schemes in the background that all conflict with each other including the Israel issue. Sweden's acceptance to NATO is still in the background while he thunders away, and he has picked fights with Greece over the Mediterranean and Bulgaria, he is trying to intervene in Syrian and Libyan politics and Ukraine, not to mention the entire Caucasus issue. Arguably, the Russians are also trying to pull threads but they have more resources and honestly just seem better at it. Turkey is pretty stuck though because it is clear religious Turks, secular Turks, and the Kurds will never see eye to eye but the country itself is going nowhere under him. While it was smart not picking a direct fight with the Russians, Turkey is a no-man's land at the moment including on the Palestine issue. That said, Turkey is still doing business with them including arms contracts and Iran seem to be the only regional power willing to stand up to Netanyahu and it is clear they are the rising star here.
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Tankbuster posted:so you are saying he is a Crusader Kings character. Yeah more or less ------------ One of the lighter hearted parts of the Syrian Civil War was when at least 2-3 elements of the US government had their proxies fighting each other at the same time.
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"The New Daily posted:It shouldn’t be too surprising that the US and its loyal allies Australia and the UK have been somewhat muted in their protests over civilian deaths in Gaza – not much more than “um, could you ease up a little and try not to kill as many children, please, maybe have a ceasefire for a bit”. Not too interesting for its content, but I'm a little surprised to see it in a mainstream paper.
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seaborgium posted:It was fraying at the edges even then. You could still get through college with the GI bill at the start, and you had a good chance of not getting sent to an active war zone too. They were facing a decent prison sentence for not showing up. If you're facing prison time the alternative of hoping to get sent to Germany or somewhere else that isn't a war zone and then getting your college paid for was better, but it's not like people liked doing it. Barely anyone was actually punished for draft evasion. ~1.5% were convicted. quote:during the Vietnam era, approximately 570,000 young men were classified as draft offenders,[96] and approximately 210,000 were formally accused of draft violations;[99][96] however, only 8,750 were convicted and only 3,250 were jailed.
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Al-Saqr posted:I hate erdogan so much because he talks and yaps and yelps but he does nothing, he literally hasnt done anything to help palestine. Piece of poo poo. at least the arab governments arent pretending anymore to not be whores. An Incirlik Airbase eviction notice would do more for "regional stability" than a hundred NATO bombing campaigns. This is insane but unsurprising. An AJ oped I read about The Tunnels was from a woman who years ago relied on them to get formula to her baby (prohibited by the inhumane Zionist blockade). Owlbear Camus has issued a correction as of 10:42 on Jan 20, 2024 |
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Al-Saqr posted:civil war happens Turkey has also picked up the slack from the Gulf States as they’ve withdrawn their funds from their pet rebels. Idlib only exists thanks to Turkish support and what calls itself the “FSA” in Turkish occupied zones is just an auxiliary of Ankara given freedom to run wild in their sectors.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Turkey has also picked up the slack from the Gulf States as they’ve withdrawn their funds from their pet rebels. Idlib only exists thanks to Turkish support and what calls itself the “FSA” in Turkish occupied zones is just an auxiliary of Ankara given freedom to run wild in their sectors. Technically Ildib is mostly al-Nursa while they have their own proxies in al-Bab but yeah they are backing them both. The Kurds themselves have been split between the gradually more Assad-aligned YPG and the US-aligned SDF. Then you just have random US bases like al-Tanf.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:NATO is the only thing keeping the Syrian Civil War going, in other words. Basically, although there are 2 sides of NATO at this point in the conflict. If the US and Turkey pulled out though it would be over, and the YPG would probably just sign an agreement with Assad to keep some political autonomy in exchange for losing their heavier weaponry. Israel wants the Civil War to continue as well because they know Syria would starting concentrating on Golan at that point.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:the most unrecognized contradiction of the war is that Turkey is waging war on Syria and ethnically cleansing Kurds while Israel genocides Gaza. Erdogan gives lip service to Palestine yet does nothing to Israel while continuing to kill Arabs and Muslims as a nationalist exercise. This, and the absolutely bizarre incident of Azerbaijan given complete impunity to invade and take territory from Armenia. They are allowed to do so because they are the replacement source of gas to the EU. And Azerbaijan is supported by Israel because they act as a counterweight to Iran. We all know there's going to be a 3rd incursion into Armenia, and this time it will be the big one. Then there are the Turkish Bayraktar drones that burst onto the world stage by attacking Armenia, and suddenly became heroes to the west because they cheap and affordable to the Ukrainians.
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Elden Lord Godfrey posted:This, and the absolutely bizarre incident of Azerbaijan given complete impunity to invade and take territory from Armenia. They are allowed to do so because they are the replacement source of gas to the EU. And Azerbaijan is supported by Israel because they act as a counterweight to Iran. There are signs that Yerevan are slowly figuring this out, and that the US isn't going to save them, if anything they would be willing to feed them into the buzzsaw. The Iranians have made it clear as well if Azerbaijan goes a big way into Armenia, they are going to push back and the Russians are still waiting on the sidelines but still have resources inside Armenia.
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Definitely recommend the most recent Citations Needed podcast where they go over a content analysis study contrastic the type and frequency of language used in coverage. It's not anything you didn't know, but it's exhaustively researched so you can see just how broad the phenomenon is. Like I just opened a BBC article and wanted to scream at my loving screen: "Israel declared war on Hamas after the group led a massive attack on communities inside Israel, killing about 1,200 people - mostly civilians - and taking some 240 others back to Gaza as hostages. Around 130 remain in captivity. Almost 25,000 Palestinians have since been killed in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run health ministry." The contrast just between two paragraphs is pretty loving infuriating: (1) Where is the "mostly civilians" aside in the second 'graph? Are Palestinians not civilians? (2) Why is the second paragraph attributed to "the Hamas-run health ministry" but the first one has no attribution to "Israeli officials" or "the US-backed Israeli Military" instead when we're talking about Israeli deaths it's the indisputable editorial word of God? (3) How many Palestinians are in Israeli captivity under only the notional "justice" of a military tribunal or not charged with anything? Is this not relevant, particularly since exchange for their release was the motivation for Hamas taking these captives? E: (4) Just noticed another: "Israeli people" vs. "Palestinians." The dehumanization is so loving pervasive and subtle. E2: (5) Active versus passive voice: "Hamas led a massive attack..., killing..." vs. "Palestinians have been killed." This poo poo is just fractal when you start unpacking it. Owlbear Camus has issued a correction as of 11:33 on Jan 20, 2024 |
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re: conscription chat - Universal conscription, as it pertains to modern nation states and specifically a country in constant conflict like Israel, isn't sustainable if it can't establish itself in popular consciousness as a truly universal, collective institution, and if the national fabric from which it's carved out is individualist, reluctant to sacrifice and primarly seeks social mobility outside of the military through more self serving means. A national army can't succeed in a nation of gay soy fascists because gay soy fascists don't fight. The Silver and the Platter: Why the IDF needs a revolution "At the heart of the thesis of The Silver and the Platter is the demand, with all its implications, to abolish mandatory conscription and to abandon the sacred and anachronistic concept of the IDF as the people's army. With the appearance of this book, it'll be difficult to hold a discussion on these important matters without referring to it. The name of the book has an ironic allusion to the huge gap between the old and innocent "silver platter" in Natan Alterman's mythological poem and the need to adapt the IDF to circumstances which have changed so much - in national strategy, in society, in a very stressed economy and in Israeli mentality. Ofer Shelah presents poignant stances on the relations of the top brass, both military and political, on the financial burden that the state is having trouble dealing with, on the distorted and ungrateful job of the IDF as the police of the [Palestinian] territories, and on the questioning of its place in the Israeli scale of values. 30 years after the shattering of a disastrous national conception in the Yom Kippur War, the book presents the dangers of an even older conception: the 55-year-old conception regarding the IDF's character, by a sharp and original commentator, The Silver and the Platter describes the urgent necessity for a far-reaching change in the army. It offers well explained answers to a question that has been suppressed over the years precisely because of the IDF's central place in the Israeli ethos: Is it really the army it should be today?" You can't build up a militairy as a universal institution when about 35% of the country doesn't actually serve, when a considerable amount of those who do enlist drop out before finishing their mandatory service, when your youth no longer believes in individual sacrifice for the sake of the collective, etc etc. The dissonance between the IDF's foundational ethos and the actual characteristics of Israelis in the modern era is too great. Early zionism tried to cultivate Ashkenazim (with the exception of Haredim, who used to be a far smaller section of the population) as the kind of warrior-mentality collectivist people it wanted for Israel's social contract to hold but after decades of economic (and social) neoliberalization, they just aren't like that anymore. Sancho Banana has issued a correction as of 11:29 on Jan 20, 2024 |
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Tankbuster posted:warrior-mentality collectivist people living on farms fighting the subhumans? Some sort of Wehrbauer if you will... Their spirit lives on in the kibbutzim of the Gaza Envelope, armed up the rear end and intended to be the first line of defense in the case of an invasion, which worked real well on October 7th.
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You have multiple contradictions going on: first between universal conscription versus about a third of the population being exempt (technically maybe more just though connections) and that entirely reservist force is a liability in the modern-era. It isn't that some conscription can be useful, it is just in most other countries it is a semi-optional thing that is possible to skip while in Israel there is clearly a divide between exempt and non-exempt elements of the population. Also, if Israel truly wants to fight wars of extermination and expansion, a reservist based army is just a terrible fit. They are going to do a terrible job, and have done so. Also, how much unity is there even among Ashkenazim when you have Eastern European Israelis fighting as American/Western Europeans with Israeli passports going to their vacation homes?
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Mister Bates posted:there are plenty of countries that still use conscript armies, have done so for a long time, and have had no big problems with them, but the thing all of them have in common is that none of them have actually fought any wars with them - Switzerland, for example, has a conscript army, as does Singapore. I like this metaphor
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If container shipping has tripled in price, how has that not already sent shockwaves through consumer prices and hosed up stuff like Temu/etc? It seems like it's exerting a ton of political pressure on the situation; if price pressure starts to hit home on "cheap" goods from China that seems like it's going to change West attitudes. I don't see Israel stopping this poo poo unless/until they are abandoned by the west (lol) or hit levels of domestic unrest that force a regime change. Which probably wouldn't actually change policy but might slow this back down? Cabbages and VHS has issued a correction as of 13:06 on Jan 20, 2024 |
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your <item> from china costing $.06 to ship instead of $.02 isn't going to hit until the next quarter when number goes down
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shipping on individual consumer items might not matter that much but if you're some industry operating on normally tight margins and relying on volume to make up for that, then it's going to gently caress stuff up faster? I guess that speaks to your comment about the quarter's lag time on corpo profits. That's loving disgusting, though; Gaza doesn't have a quarter to wait
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What is going on in the West Bank, by the way? I would have assumed a general uprising by now. is it simply not interrupting Israel when it’s making a mistake? Or is PA leadership being super-cynical? When answering, keep in mind I am an American, and ignorant of all matters, arts and sciences that do not involve cheese melting on top of meat.
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Jai Guru Dave posted:What is going on in the West Bank, by the way? I would have assumed a general uprising by now. is it simply not interrupting Israel when it’s making a mistake? Or is PA leadership being super-cynical? PA leadership are bought-off compradors whose entire raison d’etre is to police the West Bank for Israel and keep a lid on it
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