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The Door Frame posted:I wish regular cars from 80-00 got the same "classic car" treatment of a lot of regular 50-75 cars and we could still see the nifty cars like E24's or Isuzu Amigo convertibles. Even at a car show, you'd see at least 30 cherry Dodge Darts before you saw a single Nissan NX in any condition, and that makes the boring garbage more special 100% agree. You rarely see the normal cars of my youth anymore, but the "muscle" or anything semi nice at the time, relatively abundent. I am more likely to rubberneck if I see an old lady driving a nice looking tempo than a nice Z32 or a mint 5.0 Mustang. e: My office is near a metal recycling yard, and I always feel a little sad when I see someone taking in a load of old cars and you can still recognize something that was crushed on a trailer on its way to get off-loaded.
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slidebite posted:...e: My office is near a metal recycling yard, and I always feel a little sad when I see someone taking in a load of old cars and you can still recognize something that was crushed on a trailer on its way to get off-loaded. GODDAMMIT I COULD HAVE USED THAT (hood/quarter/fender/door/seat)
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Ether Frenzy posted:This is what Volvo was making that same year 
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PainterofCrap posted:In the 80s-90s, we called them "bars of soap." USED bars of soap. Jonny Nox posted:The jellybean taurus started the trend of making radios you can't replace easily That Escort did the same thing, but yeah, the damned Taurus started it. Funny thing was that the actual radio behind the oval faceplate was... a normal-rear end single DIN Ford radio. ili posted:Seems like most of it is just a mixture of nostalgia for the old ones and familiarity breeding contempt for the current models. I remember people twenty plus years ago complaining about how utes these days are too big and ugly and if you get a crew cab the tray is too small, and the 300zx is a fat piece of poo poo etc. Now a 20 year old hilux is tiny and good and the 300zx cool as poo poo. I mean, that just proves the rule of "if you think it's bad now, just wait." Auto manufacturers can always do worse, in one way or another. Performance nowadays it remarkable, at least, despite cars being ridiculously larger and heavier. Even efficiency is generally better! Love the fact that you can drop a stock LS V8 variant into a '70s C10 and not only get more HP, but better fuel mileage. The Door Frame posted:He was kind of a dick though That's what Radwood is for, and that's spreading as all us Gen X-ers and even Millennials get older and more nostalgic. PainterofCrap posted:GODDAMMIT This, so much.
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I'm posting this here because at this point it's tradition to post tesla stuff in here but I like that some of these dweebs are so hung up about thinking they're cool that one solitary thumb down can crack them https://twitter.com/edzitron/status/1747788814444294598?t=WlvEFyA2piAhwVUok7tVcg&s=19
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Olympic Mathlete posted:I'm posting this here because at this point it's tradition to post tesla stuff in here but I like that some of these dweebs are so hung up about thinking they're cool that one solitary thumb down can crack them I mean, someone has to tell them that they are desperately uncool.
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I seem to remember the Lincoln MK VIII having some weirdness going on with the radio. At least, that's what the people across the street said, and they were replacing the rear suspension with regular springs, fixing, and flipping them in the early 2000's. Each one got a few subs, front door speakers running on their own amp, and a new headunit mounted in the center armrest/console thingy. Haven't thought about those people, or those cars, for a while. The MK VIII and jellybean F-150 were probably the best looking vehicles using that design language. I'll admit to a strange kind of love for the last big American coupes. The final Buick Riviera, the MN12 cars, and even the last Cadillac Eldorados have their own sort of charm. Makes me wonder what a 2 door Olds Aurora would have looked like, lol. Same car, same size, just two massive frameless doors rather than four oddly small ones.
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madeintaipei posted:I seem to remember the Lincoln MK VIII having some weirdness going on with the radio. At least, that's what the people across the street said, and they were replacing the rear suspension with regular springs, fixing, and flipping them in the early 2000's. Each one got a few subs, front door speakers running on their own amp, and a new headunit mounted in the center armrest/console thingy. I owned an MN12 'Bird and miss it pretty regularly. Always wanted to "upgrade" to a Mark VIII but never did. That whole species of big American coupes is dead and it makes me a bit sad.
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Data Graham posted:Is this a common opinion? I've been reluctant to say things like "style is dead" because I assume it's just that I'm getting older and turning into my dad who liked boxy 60s cars and despised when things started to look swoopy and smooth, which of course was crazy to me getting interested in cars in the perfect car design decade, the 90s. In other words I've always assumed car style is generational just like music, and today's designs look "normal" to kids/teens/young adults and they think brands have good distinctive styles and everything just like I thought back in the day. Abe simpson rant dot AIFF. Dunno how much weight this opinion will hold with you personally but Satoshi Wada was Audi's senior designer from 1998-2009, was senior designer at Nissan from 1985-1998... https://x.com/SWdesignTOKYO/status/1748331388657639584?s=20 quote:My name is Satoshi Wada. I came across ISUZU Piazza in town. It's so innovative and sexy that you can't believe it's a 43-year-old car. The cars around me looked like children. A design with no waste whatsoever, perfectly calculated proportions. How intelligent the "old future" was! Master Giugiaro is truly a genius. Let's also improve our intelligence.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Dunno how much weight this opinion will hold with you personally but Satoshi Wada was Audi's senior designer from 1998-2009, was senior designer at Nissan from 1985-1998... Good design is timeless. That's why those hot trendy design cars from the past (og Audi TT comes to mind, although not awful) look like poo poo now, because they're badly designed.
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Hell yeah See also the DeLorean and Esprit and ... basically anything else he did
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Dunno how much weight this opinion will hold with you personally but Satoshi Wada was Audi's senior designer from 1998-2009, was senior designer at Nissan from 1985-1998... Wish Audi would go back towards Martin Smith's early designs.
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CommieGIR posted:Wish Audi would go back towards Martin Smith's early designs. His work for Opel and Ford was very good too, simple, bold designs with good balance. Underrated designer for sure.
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madeintaipei posted:I seem to remember the Lincoln MK VIII having some weirdness going on with the radio. At least, that's what the people across the street said, and they were replacing the rear suspension with regular springs, fixing, and flipping them in the early 2000's. Each one got a few subs, front door speakers running on their own amp, and a new headunit mounted in the center armrest/console thingy. I'm trying to remember which Ford it was - Lincoln, actually, I think. Continental, maybe - they decided that the head unit was just a control head and transport mechanism, kind of like the '88-94 Chevy pickups, and the actual radio and amplifier was a box under the rear package tray. Replacing that with a "normal" head unit at the stereo shop I worked at meant building a cable bundle of four pairs of speaker wires to run to the back, and an antenna extension. At least it used the standard Ford plugs, just at the box in the back, so an adapter harness was easily available, and the "head unit" was still a normal DIN chassis.
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Cached Money posted:Good design is timeless. That's why those hot trendy design cars from the past (og Audi TT comes to mind, although not awful) look like poo poo now, because they're badly designed. There’s a lot of things to criticize about Audi cars in the 2000s but their design isn’t really one of them. I get what you’re saying about the TT and the neo-retro finishing touches that were popular at the time during the first half of that decade, but they mostly nailed it if you consider the TT’s entire production history. Same thing with the R8. The concept cars they did for movies like Minority Report and the dogshit Will Smith I, Robot (there was a “future” Audi in that one, right? I’m 99% sure there was an Audi in I Robot. Also wasn’t there a fictional Audi prominently featured in The Island, or did I make that up?) basically set the tone for Audi’s design language at the end of the 2000s and in the following decade.
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trilobite terror posted:The concept cars they did for movies like Minority Report and the dogshit Will Smith I, Robot (there was a “future” Audi in that one, right? I’m 99% sure there was an Audi in I Robot. Also wasn’t there a fictional Audi prominently featured in The Island, or did I make that up?) basically set the tone for Audi’s design language at the end of the 2000s and in the following decade. Heh, I remember the last time I watched Minority Report, I was like "here comes that crazy car!" and then being confused because it looked kinda normal.
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Darchangel posted:I'm trying to remember which Ford it was - Lincoln, actually, I think. Continental, maybe - they decided that the head unit was just a control head and transport mechanism, kind of like the '88-94 Chevy pickups, and the actual radio and amplifier was a box under the rear package tray. Ah, the good old days...when your biggest decision was deciding on the radio and the DIN dimensions.
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Colostomy Bag posted:Ah, the good old days...when your biggest decision was deciding on the radio and the DIN dimensions. Sheesh, tell me about it. Pretty much stuck with all the integrated stuff now. Especially EVs. edit: at least they figured out how make a decent stereo to the point where most of them are tolerable.
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Colostomy Bag posted:Ah, the good old days...when your biggest decision was deciding on the radio and the DIN dimensions. Back in my day, Best buy had a wall of stereo decks and a wall of speakers and you could push a button to try out each combination. Now it's all smart toasters and phone cases.
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Powershift posted:Back in my day, Best buy had a wall of stereo decks and a wall of speakers and you could push a button to try out each combination. I was in a best buy two days ago and they still have this it’s just slightly smaller and was a corner rather than a wall
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TheBacon posted:I was in a best buy two days ago and they still have this it’s just slightly smaller and was a corner rather than a wall Did they still have the big square lighted push buttons?
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Cached Money posted:Good design is timeless. That's why those hot trendy design cars from the past (og Audi TT comes to mind, although not awful) look like poo poo now, because they're badly designed. The OG audi TT is a really beautiful design and it looks way better than any of the subsequent ones that halfassed everything.
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Sagebrush posted:The OG audi TT is a really beautiful design and it looks way better than any of the subsequent ones that halfassed everything. :100: I was so crestfallen the moment the first refresh dropped. I was like "NOOOOO you missed the entire loving point"
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Powershift posted:Back in my day, Best buy had a wall of stereo decks and a wall of speakers and you could push a button to try out each combination. Also: Wall-To-Wall Sound. I would bring a Van Halen cassette (Maxell UDXL II) to test bass response with the drums on “I’ll Wait”
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Colostomy Bag posted:Did they still have the big square lighted push buttons? Yeah buddy it was kind of awesome
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Powershift posted:Back in my day, Best buy had a wall of stereo decks and a wall of speakers and you could push a button to try out each combination. It started to go downhill when you'd ask them about a feature and they'd then start trying to read the box better than you could. RIP Retail
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Jonny Nox posted:The jellybean taurus started the trend of making radios you can't replace easily I did really like that car while everything worked properly though. Bought it off ebay in the mid 2000's for $1500 bucks from a lady and her husband who were SHO enthusiasts. They were people who would buy 2, one with a good interior or body or something but bad engine/transmission and swap a good engine/trans into it from a SHO with good mechanical stuff but a messed up body/interior. You get the idea. They had SHO parts and cars everywhere in various degrees of disassembly.
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Colostomy Bag posted:Did they/you have the cams welded on that SHO? Yes they did it or had it done. It was one of their hodgepodge cars they put together. They were trying to get poo poo out of their place because they were moving or something so that's why they were selling it. I never had problems with it except the electrical and then like everything started declining after that. Weird vibrations, power steering making GBS threads the bed. Probably all fixable things but at that time it was actually cheaper to buy another car than fix that one. Sold it to a scrapper for $150 and bought an '86 Grand Marquis from a friend for $300.
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bigbillystyle posted:I had a '97 SHO and near the end of it's life the entire radio/climate control electronics just like poo poo the bed. Couldn't regulate volume or temperature or fan speed. It was permanently stuck on high fan and 75F for temp. I ripped the whole thing out and just laid an aftermarket deck in the hole and called it good. Didn't last much longer after that unfortunately. Did the SHO have the same 2.5L V6 as the Contour? I had a 97 Contour SE with that 2.5 and a stick shift in bright blue metallic and I really loved that car. It got t-boned and totaled in the early 2000s before anything really had a chance to poo poo the bed on it.
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Enos Cabell posted:Did the SHO have the same 2.5L V6 as the Contour? I had a 97 Contour SE with that 2.5 and a stick shift in bright blue metallic and I really loved that car. It got t-boned and totaled in the early 2000s before anything really had a chance to poo poo the bed on it. The Jellybean SHO had like a 3.5l v8 or something around that size. I worked at a GM dealer in late 99 early '00 and the used car sales manager had one. Got to drive it a few times. Don't recall much about it though. I liked those Contours. The later model ones that had the bigger headlights. Would have loved an SVT but it was probably about as reliable as one would expect for a late 90s Ford product.
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Enos Cabell posted:Did the SHO have the same 2.5L V6 as the Contour? I had a 97 Contour SE with that 2.5 and a stick shift in bright blue metallic and I really loved that car. It got t-boned and totaled in the early 2000s before anything really had a chance to poo poo the bed on it. wesleywillis posted:The Jellybean SHO had like a 3.5l v8 or something around that size. Yeah it was a 3.4L V8, automatic. I don't think they made the late 90's version with a stick. I had a 1991 SHO before with the Yamaha 3L V6 and a stick shift. That car was wildly fun but the one that I had was kinda hosed up. It had some issues from the previous owner rear ended someone with it and the front end was a little tweaked. I got it out of an Autohunter magazine for $650.
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Yeah no stick for the V8 SHO. As an aside, despite being called a Yamaha V8 (not that they didn't do actual work on it) it was a 2.5 Duratec V6 with an extra pair of cylinders slapped on it. Always thought that V8 would be fun to swap into an SVT Contour.
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Cactus Ghost posted:just because every generation says that cars are uglier than they used to be doesn't mean they're wrong
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trilobite terror posted:There’s a lot of things to criticize about Audi cars in the 2000s but their design isn’t really one of them. The second generation TT looks great imo. The R8 is also very good, they barely changed it over the years.
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The R8 has the same problem as the TT imo. Later generations got all cowardly and dropped the side blades.
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