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Rochallor posted:Hold on a second, Solid Snake wrote the first two X-Men movies? It's a small world.
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wtf, it never came up before the movies??? It's one of those things that feels like it was always there, wild if Snake's right and he was the first.
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silver age magneto's powers were very poorly defined. being immune to telepathy for no particular reason was par for the course. also, magneto and xavier weren't originally old friends. they had no personal relationship until claremont retconned it in.
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Heavy Metal posted:That is interesting thanks, has the circuits thing been used in say the Claremont run onward? I saw somebody post about that from the 60s, not sure if that's still a thing. How about him using psychic powers in general? IIRC, the first time Magneto's helmet had any special abilities or circuits was in X-Men vs Avengers (1987, no connection to Avengers vs X-Men), when it was basically used as an excuse to explain Magneto's otherwise inexplicable psychic abilities in a few Silver Age stories. The idea hasn't been used much since then - even in that story, it was presented as a unique quality of one of his old helmets, not a standard feature.
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It also took decades for Magneto to get an actual name. In the backstory of him and Xavier he went by the alias Magnus (and appearntly it took a long time for Xavier to get a good look at Magneto's face minus helmet and recognize him as Magnus) in 1982. In 1998 they gave him the name Erik Lehnsherr which was treated as his name until 2008 were it was stated his birthname is Max Eisenhardt. He still mostly went by Erik in the comics, with it being what Xavier calls him. As far I know he only took the name Max back at the start of X-Men Red.
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MonsterEnvy posted:In 1998 they gave him the name Erik Lehnsherr which was treated as his name until 2008 were it was stated his birthname is Max Eisenhardt. Was there a good in- or out-of-universe reason for this retcon? I fuckin hate that name Eisenhardt, it's so on-the-nose bullshit I always assumed it was the original character name from the 60s.
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It was changed to make it more Jewish - Eisenhardt is a real German-Jewish surname, while Lehnsherr doesn't seem to have ever been used as a real surname and is a medieval term for a feudal lord, so unlikely as the name of a middle-class Jewish family. (And given that Eric means 'sole ruler' or 'unquestioned ruler', it's also a bit on-the-nose for the megalomaniac villain bent on world domination to have a name that's basically 'lord and master')
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Incidentally, "Erik Lehnsherr" was always actually intended to just be an alias that Magneto made up, even back in the 90s when it was first revealed. Like, they literally said "Magneto forged this identity when he was living with the Roma. Here's the guy who forged it." and showed it on-page. It was never intended to be his actual birth name, and the fact that people started treating it as so at some point was probably just another thing that the films popularized. Apropos of nothing, Magneto Testament is a dang good book that people should read.
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BrianWilly posted:Incidentally, "Erik Lehnsherr" was always actually intended to just be an alias that Magneto made up, even back in the 90s when it was first revealed. Like, they literally said "Magneto forged this identity when he was living with the Roma. Here's the guy who forged it." and showed it on-page. It was never intended to be his actual birth name, and the fact that people started treating it as so at some point was probably just another thing that the films popularized. Greg Pak baby the man knows how to make a comic
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Well then, fair enough. They coulda picked literally any other name that didn't have the literal translation iron-hard though. Also my name is Eric and I don't rule a god drat thing, that's not really a connection people make unless you're a thousand-year-old viking. e: You're right though that it was just as on-the-nose a name as before. I just never made that "lord and master" connection before. Which, as an alias for a villain, I kinda love. So now I don't know what to feel! Thanks a lot! Diet Poison fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Jan 19, 2024 |
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Should have named him Magnagar Netogon.
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glitchwraith posted:Should have named him Magnagar Netogon. I chortled.
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Joe Fisto posted:There’s a line in this week’s Iron Man from Forge that could be a new thread title. I also liked "Time was, I could've taken a sentinel out with the contents of a single pouch" from Cable.
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Diet Poison posted:Well then, fair enough. They coulda picked literally any other name that didn't have the literal translation iron-hard though. His power is magnetism of course his name is an iron pun. Are you gonna complain about Otto Octavius being too on the nose?
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Air Skwirl posted:His power is magnetism of course his name is an iron pun. Are you gonna complain about Otto Octavius being too on the nose? I mean, it's fine to keep established names and I wouldn't retcon, say, Otto Octavius or something, but if I encounter a character for the first time in a modern comic that seems to take itself seriously and they're named like that I'll groan audibly. Like with Blackagar Boltagan, who I'm sure got that ridiculous name in the fifties or something, but whose name I first read in the last ten years or something in a modern book. Can't take it seriously, sorry. Anyway, it seems a bit inconsistent how these names were given even then. Spider-Man is Peter Parker when his name could've been, uhh, Ben Arach maybe. This post brought to you by oversleeping and migraine brain.
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Stan Lee loved alliteration.
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Names being on the nose in comic books loving own
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My name is Magneto, the MASTER of MAGNETISM and my real name is Bob Smith
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Diet Poison posted:Well then, fair enough. They coulda picked literally any other name that didn't have the literal translation iron-hard though. I think Magneto also took Erik the Red's identity for a bit, so that was bit of fun coincidence.
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ImpAtom posted:My name is Magneto, the MASTER of MAGNETISM and my real name is Bob Smith That's the sentry's name and he sucks, which proves this point
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You can't go wrong with a villain name. The alternative is you just give them regular names that sound fancy and slightly mysterious, like at Image we have say Angstrom Levy and Kenneth Irons. That is also good. Everything can be funny when you think about it enough. For a bit I was making fun of the generic or cool sounding names main characters in action movies have. Stuff like Matt Hunter (Avenging Force), another Matt Hunter (Invasion USA), Roland Dalton (Shakedown), Joe Armstrong (American Ninja), Eden Sinclair (Doomsday), Douglas Gordon (Godzilla: Final Wars), I could go on. Names in fiction are often funny, so an overtly funny name is also good.
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Deacon St. John
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Gologle posted:Names being on the nose in comic books loving own
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Imagine if they tried to change Dr. Doom's name because Victor Von Doom is too on the nose. Oh wait they tried to do that for the last lovely FF movie and it pissed people off so much they had to put it back.
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Should have been Doctagar Doomagon.
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Codependent Poster posted:Imagine if they tried to change Dr. Doom's name because Victor Von Doom is too on the nose. They did for Ultimate Dr. Doom, too
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rantmo posted:Should have been Doctagar Doomagon. This feels like the name of a MF Doom/Kool Keith collab that we never got
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Wasn't Ultimate Doom named Victor Van Damme? Ridiculous name. Totally unbelievable.
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Diet Poison posted:Wasn't Ultimate Doom named Victor Van Damme? Ridiculous name. Totally unbelievable. Yup
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The Immortal X-Men Judgement Day tie in where Nightcrawler gets killed a dozen times is really good especially remembering how much he didn't want to die even with immortality a couple years ago.
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Rick posted:The Immortal X-Men Judgement Day tie in where Nightcrawler gets killed a dozen times is really good especially remembering how much he didn't want to die even with immortality a couple years ago. That, Moira X, and the Davos issue are probably my favorites of the entire Krakoa era.
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danbanana posted:That, Moira X, and the Davos issue are probably my favorites of the entire Krakoa era. Davos is the only single issue I've bought for myself in ages because it’s so loving great. All five of the mutants have at least one completely banger line each. One of the greatest talky issues.
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What were the Moira and Davis issues I think I missed those.
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MonsterEnvy posted:What were the Moira and Davis issues I think I missed those. Davos was issue 6 or so of the initial Hickman run of X-Men where Xavier, Magneto and Apocalypse go to the Davos world economics forum
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Alaois posted:Deacon St. John The bass player from Queen?
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Air Skwirl posted:Davos was issue 6 or so of the initial Hickman run of X-Men where Xavier, Magneto and Apocalypse go to the Davos world economics forum Oh for some reason I was thinking of Devo the guy who is the technical Orchis leader.
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huh. i was not expecting resurrection of magneto to be about a metaphysical journey through the afterlife.
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Beast is back, in Defenders form!
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We now have regular Beast, and Darkest Beast.
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