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I'm looking at those Capellan mechs again from TRO 3060 and TRO 3067 and Lao Hu is obvious enough as it means "tiger" but Men Shen is just... "door god", like a spirit that protects the family home or a temple entrance. There are a handful of gods that qualify as door gods, but it's more a role than a specific deity. Kind of an odd name for a mech, but sure why not.
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Atlas Hugged posted:I'm looking at those Capellan mechs again from TRO 3060 and TRO 3067 and Lao Hu is obvious enough as it means "tiger" but Men Shen is just... "door god", like a spirit that protects the family home or a temple entrance. There are a handful of gods that qualify as door gods, but it's more a role than a specific deity. Kind of an odd name for a mech, but sure why not. Nobody would blink if you called a mech "Gatekeeper" so
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NinjaDebugger posted:Nobody would blink if you called a mech "Gatekeeper" so Yeah but they would if you called it "security guard" or "doorman". I showed my wife the Lao Hu and told her the name and she was like, "Oh, OK." Then I showed her the Men Shen and told her the name and she rolled her eyes and scoffed at it before walking away. I think it's also because it's such a mismatch of what a typical Men Shen looks like, a buff rear end Chinese noble or general in resplendent armor with a big loving weapon, not a bird. The Ti Ts'ang has the right idea.
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Atlas Hugged posted:Yeah but they would if you called it "security guard" or "doorman". There's the Watchman, the Sentry, the Guardian, the Peacekeeper... Not every 'Mech can be named Slagmaiden.
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Men Shen absolutely should have hat the Chinese name for some corvid species. I don't think Men Shen itself is too bad of a name given how the game has Sentry, Sentinel, Watchman, Guardian, Guard, and Defender in it - unless "Men Shen" by itself doesn't actually have connotations like that.
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Technowolf posted:There's the Watchman, the Sentry, the Guardian, the Peacekeeper... Look, I'm just saying there are words in English that we think would be kind of dumb names for a killer fighting machine and "security guard" and "doorman" are absolutely words like that. Other languages also have words that sound kind of stupid to be the names of killer fighting machines. A native speaker of Mandarin who grew up in that religious tradition thought "Men Shen" was a stupid name for a bird mech. She had no issue with Ti Ts'ang and likely wouldn't have reacted at all if one of the 60 or so various Men Shen were chosen as the name. She may not even have cared if there was a visual element of the Men Shen that at all evoked a traditional door god aesthetic, but again it's a bird mech, not a humanoid in the Hatchetman tradition. I thought it was funny is all, and I'm hardly asking CGL to "do something about it". BattleMaster posted:Men Shen absolutely should have hat the Chinese name for some corvid species. I don't think Men Shen itself is too bad of a name given how the game has Sentry, Sentinel, Watchman, Guardian, Guard, and Defender in it - unless "Men Shen" by itself doesn't actually have connotations like that. It absolutely has the connotations of a defender of evil against a building, but there aren't really any generic Men Shen. They're almost always a specific, named entity in the class of door god. So it could just be the incongruity, like if a mech was named "The Trinity" but it looked like a frog. Atlas Hugged fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Jan 22, 2024 |
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Next year's releases announced: https://bg.battletech.com/books/upcoming-releases/ Looks like later in the year they're starting to lean into model love for those of you who play in the future with the Jihad and Ilkhan eras. BattleMaster posted:I've seen enough horror stories that I absolutely will never order anything, especially physical products, directly from them. Apparently the latest thing is that their one singular CSR has been sick for the last few months and they didn't fill in for them, and even during the best of times it seemed unlikely for them to respond. Maybe I'm just lucky but I keep dropping those 20 dollar vouchers to get force packs or a trio of blind boxes for next to nothing and never had a problem. From what I gather it's night and day if you're US vs elsewhere though.
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The FRR faux Swedish is mostly dumb so I can totally see the faux Chinese be the same to be honest. "Kungsarmé" is as google translate as you get.
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A lot of the FASA-era stuff was just from people grabbing a dictionary and mashing words together with no idea of the grammar of the language and connotations of the words chosen. But a bit more understandable given how hard it must have been to find expertise. Nowadays I figure they have no excuse, but it keeps happening all the same. I kind of wish they'd go back and fix a few of the really dumb mistakes like Hatamoto-Mizo. Similarly I've read a few recent history books about the Pacific War and it's always a coin flip if the author gets the names of Japanese ships right, or if they even use the same incorrect spelling for the same ship consistently. Like Hatamoto-Mizo it's like they pick vowels out of a hat instead of using the accepted correct romanization for some reason, I guess because crazy moon language who cares they lost the war or whatever.
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lilljonas posted:The FRR faux Swedish is mostly dumb so I can totally see the faux Chinese be the same to be honest. I can always handwave it as a thousand years into our future they're just picking names that sound cool. Owlbear Camus posted:Next year's releases announced: McCarron’s Armored Cavalry Assault Lance sounds right up my alley. I've been meaning to get a new Awesome and this might be the best way to do so.
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EMPEROR ARGUS HELIOS
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I'm irritated by the pre-painted 'Mechs. When that thought was floated before I was hoping it was a mistranslation, or something they'd do for like--legendary Mechwarriors. If I've learned anything from D&D minis, it's that industrial primers and paint applications are way too thick but also a complete pain in the rear end to remove. So we either have to deal with the frustration of the factory paintjob being significantly better than our work, significantly worse than our work, or we have to pray that the paint is something that is easily stripped (it won't be) so that we can paint over it. We have no idea if they're going to be painted with oils, enamels, lacquers, or acrylics or if there even a solvent we can use that will strip it and give us bare plastic without damaging the plastic in the process. I'm thrilled to see the Savage Wolf, and so utterly disappointed to find out that it's pre-painted. Congratulations, CLG. You did the one thing that will make me not buy these packs. Edit: Hell, if CLG wanted to do pre-painted starter boxes with entire lances painted for a faction? I'd be all for that! Lower the barrier for entry! That's a fantastic idea and something they should be doing with re-releases of old sculpts in different combos. Like a pre-painted Kuritan Panther, Phoenix Hawk, Dragon, and Atlas starter box? Absolutely, go for it! PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Jan 22, 2024 |
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Atlas Hugged posted:McCarron’s Armored Cavalry Assault Lance sounds right up my alley. I've been meaning to get a new Awesome and this might be the best way to do so. Best case scenario, it's a four-gun AWS-9Q. Monkey paw scenario, it's the other weird unfocused variants with missiles and anemic ballistics.
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In any case, here's my Men Shen and Lao Hu. 
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Have you considered that the Men Shen gets a dumb name because, well, look at it? 
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Owlbear Camus posted:Next year's releases announced: For those of us at work can anyone post the list of all the force packs being released? Sounds like there's some new ones. I'm iffy on pre-painted 'mechs. I loved clix back in the day and it made it much easier to get in the hobby. But if it's just one-off 'mechs that's harder to justify. Then again, when you get a custom Daishi load-out like Prometheus, I have a hard time justifying painting it as anything but Victor's ride. Meanwhile the Savage Wolf and Orion are common enough I'd like to paint them as something else.
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MechCommander 2 lookin chicken leg tiger
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:For those of us at work can anyone post the list of all the force packs being released? Sounds like there's some new ones. Star League Command Lance: Atlas II, Thunder Hawk, Phoenix Hawk Special, pre-painted Orion (for some reason Contents didn't mention prepaint) -- Q1 Release 2nd Star League Assault Lance: Emperor, Argus and Helios, pre-painted Daishi Prometheus, Coolant Truck -- Q2 Release Wolf Star League Striker Star: Jackalope, Kintaro, Hammerhead, Havoc, pre-painted Lament -- Q3 Release Wolf Star League Battle Star: Wendigo, Excalibur, Peacekeeper, Malice, pre-painted Savage Wolf -- Q4 Release McCarron’s Armored Cavalry Assault Lance: Tian-Zong, re-posed Black Knight, "new variants" of the Awesome, jumping Starslayer -- Q3 Release Don't say I never did anything for ya Other products: 40 anni Beginner Box (Griffin) and Game of Armored Combat (Awesome) -- March/April Legendary BattleMats: Misery & Thunder Rift / Twycross -- Q2 New Big loving Mat: City/Lunar -- Q2 Force Manual Davion -- May Force Manual Kurita -- Q3 Universe Book -- "Mid" year Print compilation of Recognition Guide Vol. 2: ilClan -- Summer The next 3152 book, For ilKhan's Eyes Only -- November BattleMech Technical Blueprints Volume 1 -- Q3 Brush Wars series returns More stuff making it to print-on-demand Sidesaddle Cavalry fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Jan 22, 2024 |
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Imperio Militar del Escorpión   Goliath Scorpion to me are Raiden in that one scene in Metal Gear Rising.
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:For those of us at work can anyone post the list of all the force packs being released? Sounds like there's some new ones. 1st Star League Lance - Atlas II - Thunder Hawk - a new variant of the Phoenix Hawk - reposed and pre-painted Orion 2nd Star League Lance - Emperor - Argus - Helios - Dashi (Prometheus), reposed and pre-painted - bonus Coolant Truck 3rd Star League Striker Star - Jackalope - Kintaro - Hammerhead - Havoc - pre-painted Lament - bonus J-27 Ordinance Truck 3rd Star League Battle Star - Wendigo - Excalibur - Peacekeeper - Malice - pre-painted Savage Wolf - bonus Savior Repair Vehicle
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Star League Command Lance: Atlas II, Thunder Hawk, Phoenix Hawk Special, pre-painted Orion (for some reason Contents didn't mention prepaint) Appreciate it. The Lament is pre-painted? Dang, that's the one I was most excited for in that box, was really hoping it would be the Hammerhead or Kintaro instead. Oh well, my painting skills are eh enough that a strip and repaint won't make it look much worse. I'm interested in that re-posed Black Knight, wonder if it will be the Sword and Shield variety from Dark Age.
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I am of much the same opinion as PTN with regard to the pre-paints, but I'm in the happy position of not being pushed about thise designs anyway.
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I hate that almost every lance pack always seems to have only 1 'Mech I actually want in them that I want to cherry-pick out by themselves--this kind of strategy probably keeps a lot of eBay scalpers in business. Anyways, to reiterate: Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:EMPEROR ARGUS HELIOS
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So the McCarron's Armored Assault box reveal pretty much confirms the Big Mac is leaving House Liao and going Merc again. i assume the 2nd regiment will stay loyal to Danai while all the others go to the Draconis Combine.CGL posted:AVAILABLE FOR HIRE!
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:The Lament is pre-painted? Dang, that's the one I was most excited for in that box, was really hoping it would be the Hammerhead or Kintaro instead. Oh well, my painting skills are eh enough that a strip and repaint won't make it look much worse. drat right there with you. At the very least being a new SLDF pack I'm hoping that the pre paint is just a generic olive drab green Lament
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Arquinsiel posted:I am of much the same opinion as PTN with regard to the pre-paints, but I'm in the happy position of not being pushed about thise designs anyway. I sent Catalyst a general feedback about it. I doubt it'll go anywhere, but even if they're dead set on prepaints I'd appreciate it if they did a variant of those sets that was completely unpainted, even if I had to order it directly from the Catalyst webstore to get it. As a newbie-friendly force pack; or a BV balanced Force vs. Force box (like Kurita vs. Davion; or CCAF vs. Wolf Empire) prepaints are great! They make it easy to onboard new people. A single one-off prepaint in a regular release is just awful. I'm going to try not to beat a dead horse, but I really hope they reconsider. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Jan 22, 2024 |
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PoptartsNinja posted:I sent Catalyst a general feedback about it. I doubt it'll go anywhere, but even if they're dead set on prepaints I'd appreciate it if they did a variant of those sets that was completely unpainted, even if I had to order it directly from the Catalyst webstore to get it. I would be shocked, SHOCKED if the Savage Wolf doesn't get a resculpt/repose/variant in the near future, probably in the faction packs. My guess is the Clan Wolf faction pack.
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PoptartsNinja posted:I sent Catalyst a general feedback about it. I doubt it'll go anywhere, but even if they're dead set on prepaints I'd appreciate it if they did a variant of those sets that was completely unpainted, even if I had to order it directly from the Catalyst webstore to get it.
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Oh, I know, if they're announcing it it's already fait accompli. I'm just hoping they reconsider in the future. Just because their factory can paint something for me doesn't mean I want a factory paintjob. Or maybe they'll do a re-release that's unpainted.
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Not only unpainted, but I would absolutely love if they just sold the sets on sprues for me to put together. BattleTech is my favorite miniature game, but my favorite part about miniatures is assembling and painting them.
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Yeah, likewise. At this point I've painted an entire medium- to large-sized galaxy of Clan 'mechs and if I get any more Inner Sphere 'Mechs finished I'll need to start a second regiment. Prepainting one 'Mech in a pack is a weird move that's just going to irritate everyone. It'll either irritate new players because they'll want everything pre-painted (or frustrate them and discourage them from painting because the factory paintjob will be "better than what I can do"); or it'll irritate long time players and hobby enjoyers who just wanted another fun 'Mech to paint. I'll let you know how well 99% IPA does at stripping the factory paintjob; but if they used lacquers or enamels we might need plastic-eating acetone to get that poo poo off. 
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Biostrip 20 might take it off then still, but you'd want to make sure to remove them from the base first.
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It's very strange to release a box with both unpainted and painted minis. Like, who is the intended audience? People who don't want to paint their minis are not helped by getting one painted mini and five unpainted ones. Those people would probably prefer a box with only painted minis. People who want to paint their minis are not helped by a single painted mini in their box, a paint job that will most likely not look like their other mechs in neither style or paint scheme. Who is the imagined customer who is asking for this?
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People who want a particular character's mech in the right scheme for it but that don't think they could do better. I don't think it's a coincidence that we're getting Alexandr Kerensky's Orion, Victor Steiner-Davion's Daishi, and Alaric Ward's Mad Cat Mk IV painted. If the quality of paint is anything like the first Leviathans run, its acrylic and will strip fairly easily, assuming it's even thick enough you even need to strip it at all in favor of just painting over it.
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I wouldn't bat an eyelash at a box of pre-painted "Heroes of the Star League" with Kerensky's Orion, Prometheus, Alarac Ward's Savage Wolf (Ok, not really, gently caress Alaric Ward), and one or two other things. A whole box of pre-painted hero 'Mechs would be cool for new players. But I want to paint a Savage Wolf. I want to paint a Lament. And my experience with factory anything is that even the best stuff is inconsistent, and any preview images are going to be the best of the best off the line. Maybe they'll all be amazing and change my impression of factory-painted anything! Best case scenario the paint is thin enough that I can paint over them; but until I have something in hand I can't judge. I just have to assume we're going to get a paintjob somewhere between prepainted WizKids and prepainted Melty Goblins because I haven't seen anything better on a factory-painted miniature. 
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:MechCommander 2 lookin chicken leg tiger I just paint 'em; I don't design 'em.
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:I would be shocked, SHOCKED if the Savage Wolf doesn't get a resculpt/repose/variant in the near future, probably in the faction packs. welcome 2 Clown Town posted:Not only unpainted, but I would absolutely love if they just sold the sets on sprues for me to put together. BattleTech is my favorite miniature game, but my favorite part about miniatures is assembling and painting them. Atlas Hugged posted:I just paint 'em; I don't design 'em. Sidesaddle Cavalry fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Jan 23, 2024 |
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I was looking at variants of the Men Shen and now I had a question: Why is the LB-2X?
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It's the only thing they're good at other than perforating humans and unarmored vehicles. But hey, it's an Omni, you can use the good configs, like the A and F.
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