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Lemming posted:Prosecutors aren't suddenly good people because they're prosecuting people you hate. They're still cops. Can you quote the person or people you're talking to instead of just baiting the entire thread
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"Oh so you like the rule of law? Fuckin' cop loving boot licker!"
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Lemming posted:Prosecutors aren't suddenly good people because they're prosecuting people you hate. They're still cops. Especially Fani Willis, whose prior big achievement was putting a bunch of low level teachers in jail because they were coerced into altering test scores by their supervisors. Note: the chief architect of that cheating scheme also escaped charges. Died of cancer before she could be brought to trial.
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Fart Amplifier posted:Can you quote the person or people you're talking to instead of just baiting the entire thread People are debating the specifics of random, pointless allegations like how many hotel rooms were purchased and whether that's convincing evidence of some dumb affair, and it seems like it's largely because Trump is behind them and he's a huge piece of poo poo. The appropriate response is Dietrich posted:Who gives a poo poo
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Lemming posted:People are debating the specifics of random, pointless allegations like how many hotel rooms were purchased and whether that's convincing evidence of some dumb affair, and it seems like it's largely because Trump is behind them and he's a huge piece of poo poo. The appropriate response is So you were arguing against something nobody said. This thread needs fewer people trying to start BS derails for no reason.
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Jan 22, 2024 19:58
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Fart Amplifier posted:So you were arguing against something nobody said. This thread needs fewer people trying to start BS derails for no reason. Are we reading the same thread? Go to the last page, it's literally full of a discussion of whether a specific allegation of booking two rooms is either evidence for or against having an affair selec posted:It’s also not what I’d call extremely convincing evidence that they weren’t. That’s basic “the expenses system will flag if we sent two people but only got one room” level opsec if they were carrying on. Randalor posted:Honestly, some of the expenses that the accusors say show they're in a relationship just don't make sense, like booking two rooms at a hotel. The point is that the allegations don't matter, there's no proof of anything either way, and it doesn't really matter because we don't even know if the allegations being true or not make any differences at all
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Jan 22, 2024 20:05
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Caros posted:Famously when I have an affair I make sure that we have two hotel rooms to not sleep together in. One room for loving one room for sleeping. No one wants the wet spot.
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Jan 22, 2024 20:10
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Lemming posted:The point is that the allegations don't matter, there's no proof of anything either way, and it doesn't really matter because we don't even know if the allegations being true or not make any differences at all Exactly, why do we give a poo poo if one person and another person are loving or not, stop falling into Trump's trap of getting distracted by meaningless bullshit and talking about that instead of being laser focused on his attempt to overthrow democracy.
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Lemming posted:Are we reading the same thread? Go to the last page, it's literally full of a discussion of whether a specific allegation of booking two rooms is either evidence for or against having an affair You could have just argued that (relevant) instead of arguing against the separate argument that nobody made about prosecutors being good people. Arguing against the whole thread about a vague point that nobody has made is lazy and setting up for a derail.
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Fart Amplifier posted:You could have just argued that (relevant) instead of arguing against the separate argument that nobody made about prosecutors being good people. Dude, come on. People will reflexively want to disagree with people they hate. That's human nature. The accusations are, essentially, that she's a sleazy hosed up person who you shouldn't trust because of how morally corrupt she is. The honest truth is that most prosecutors are in fact morally corrupt, and trying to refute accusations against her character just because they're coming from Trump are probably wrongheaded. I would view these kinds of reflexive defenses more kindly if they weren't for a cop.
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Lemming posted:Dude, come on. People will reflexively want to disagree with people they hate. That's human nature. The accusations are, essentially, that she's a sleazy hosed up person who you shouldn't trust because of how morally corrupt she is. The honest truth is that most prosecutors are in fact morally corrupt, and trying to refute accusations against her character just because they're coming from Trump are probably wrongheaded. So you were actually trying to start an argument but you're too chickenshit to do it? I don't think anyone is defending Willis because we think prosecutors are moral pillars of the community. Go pick a fight in C-SPAM.
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People could also just want to be discussing the situation because of its relevance to politics. Dunno why we have to flash our ACAB bonafides
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Xiahou Dun posted:So you were actually trying to start an argument but you're too chickenshit to do it? People are reflexively defending Willis because she's prosecuting Trump, which is what I just said Hieronymous Alloy posted:Especially Fani Willis, whose prior big achievement was putting a bunch of low level teachers in jail because they were coerced into altering test scores by their supervisors. And it looks like the heuristic is still correct lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_Public_Schools_cheating_scandal
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Scratch Monkey posted:"Oh so you like the rule of law? Fuckin' cop loving boot licker!" I mean it's a hell of a concept, I'd love to see it in practice to be able to make any judgments about if it's all it's cracked up to be though.
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Jan 22, 2024 20:32
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Lemming posted:People are reflexively defending Willis because she's prosecuting Trump, which is what I just said No? I can't speak for the whole thread, but I'm just commenting on whether things are true. I'm under no illusions that Willis is anything besides temporarily useful in that she might do some good as part of her own selfish ends. If you just assume everyone is an emotional child, it says a lot more about you than it does humanity.
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Xiahou Dun posted:No? And if you assume most people aren't largely driven by emotion you're naive
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Lemming posted:And if you assume most people aren't largely driven by emotion you're naive You certainly seem emotionally motivated to pick a fight no one wants to have.
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It’s just a knowledge vacuum and that drives people nuts. Accusations with minimal evidence and no response yet.
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Alina Habba is out sick because she had dinner recently with her parents who both have tested positive for covid. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/e-jean-carroll-trial-against-donald-trump-is-postponed-2024-01-22/
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OgNar posted:Alina Habba is out sick because she had dinner recently with her parents who both have tested positive for covid. You fool, you rube, can't you see this is a Demokkkkrat ploy to throw the NH primary to Nikki Haley???? https://twitter.com/EliseStefanik/status/1749454981617394015
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Lemming posted:And if you assume most people aren't largely driven by emotion you're naive
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It feels weird praising post-Musk Twitter, but the "readers added context" feature is extremely good and funny
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pumpinglemma posted:I can assure you that no-one either in or watching the thread gives a single solitary gently caress about the moral character of any of these people except you. The only reason anyone is talking about any of this is that if the affair did happen, then it would have the potential to derail a major part of Trump's prosecution via a stupid Georgian law about conflicts of interest. My concern is that it's more of a "Caesar's wife must be above suspicion" situation because if it is shady in anyway, the press will ignore the other cases to focus on that, the right wing propaganda machine will make sure that's all anyone hears about, and the morons who vote in the country will be like "I heard that Biden gave the case to his girlfriend or something". Hell even if it's all above board, if there is a single irregularity or snag in the case that can be mis-explained to idiots, they are going to peg everything on it. The GA case always made me more nervous because I trust DoJ's meticulous work and vast resources, I do not trust county officials who wouldn't mind gaining a national profile out of all of this.
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haveblue posted:It feels weird praising post-Musk Twitter, but the "readers added context" feature is extremely good and funny It's shocking it hasn't been unceremoniously destroyed because of how much it dunks on Apartheid Clyde and friends.
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zoux posted:My concern is that it's more of a "Caesar's wife must be above suspicion" situation because if it is shady in anyway, the press will ignore the other cases to focus on that, the right wing propaganda machine will make sure that's all anyone hears about, and the morons who vote in the country will be like "I heard that Biden gave the case to his girlfriend or something". They’re always going to “find” something because they’re not trying to have an honest discussion of corruption. They’re more than happy to just make poo poo up. It’s certainly not ideal, but it was always a question of when not if.
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Xiahou Dun posted:They’re always going to “find” something because they’re not trying to have an honest discussion of corruption. They’re more than happy to just make poo poo up. I don't buy that reasoning because it says that there is nothing that Fani Willis could do, for good or ill, that will change the coverage and opposing political strategy around it. I just don't think that's true.
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Well, if they want it to matter, they have to find enough evidence to convince a judge. Some poo poo they made up out of whole cloth isn't going to get her whole office kicked off the case. This is a trial, not an election.
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zoux posted:I don't buy that reasoning because it says that there is nothing that Fani Willis could do, for good or ill, that will change the coverage and opposing political strategy around it. I just don't think that's true. Did you miss the part where we’re still dealing with people who think there’s a child-murdering rape dungeon in the non-existent basement of a pizza restaurant. It’s unfair, I can see why you’d balk at it, but that’s the nature of the right wing outrage-grift complex. At no point in the cycle does it care if things are true or not, as evidenced by how all of it is all already hilariously false.
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Main Paineframe posted:Well, if they want it to matter, they have to find enough evidence to convince a judge. Some poo poo they made up out of whole cloth isn't going to get her whole office kicked off the case. This is a trial, not an election. Again. It’s all about the election. Trump doesn’t give a poo poo about the actual case if he can convince his supporters to be outraged enough to turn out.
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Murgos posted:Again. It’s all about the election. Trump doesn’t give a poo poo about the actual case if he can convince his supporters to be outraged enough to turn out. They'd make poo poo up if it didn't exist. This particular stuff is irrelevant. The case is what matters at this point.
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Deteriorata posted:They'd make poo poo up if it didn't exist. This particular stuff is irrelevant. I think pretty clearly they’ve made up poo poo with the thinest veneer or plausibility they can generate. The actual motion makes no claim with legal merit this is entirely about the media cycle. Delaying the outcome of the case long enough while generating enough outrage is their point. Fani getting removed from the case would be great for them but it’s not what constitutes a win. One more cycle of owning the media, one more cycle of yet another outrage (never mind the facts) is the goal. By the time a judge ruled on it there is actually any there here we will be galloping onto the next outrageous allegation of impropriety. Is it a bad strategy? We will find out but that’s what they are doing.
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https://x.com/AnnaBower/status/1749577488429138430?s=20 https://x.com/AnnaBower/status/1749577490048127322?s=20 https://x.com/AnnaBower/status/1749582715085545762?s=20 So apparently the divorce proceedings got unsealed today, and at a glance there isn't really anything of substance. No extra details in them beyond the credit card stuff that we already know of that was fairly flimsy to begin with. Given that this was supposedly where you could find the evidence, I'm definitely curious what Roman's argument is going to be when this gets to court in mid-February.
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saltylopez posted:So are the federal judges required to coordinate their trial dates? If a person had the means to commit 50 different federal crimes in 50 different jurisdictions, wouldn't they at some point possibly have to stand trial at two courts at once? I've been wondering the same thing and trying to figure out how this might work out for me if I had 50 drug, domestic abuse, robbery, extortion and assault charges facing me combined but there were just so many across so many jurisdictions that the courts had to figure out how to line me up. But this is a microcosm of what Trump does. His bullshit is just constant and entirely based around sheer attrition and the loving gall it takes to do it. People in this thread as well as others often are like "oh, poo poo, yeah. I forgot when he asked Russia to interfere in the election" and "oh, christ, that's right. He actually admitted to ____________ that one time." He's just the world's largest, most shameless giant ball of constant dishonest criminal bullshit that even the people that pay attention to it all the time can't keep up with it.
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Caros posted:https://x.com/AnnaBower/status/1749577488429138430?s=20 Lol. I feel silly for giving it the limited amount of my attention I did.
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Now they need to sanction Roman's lawyer for bringing a spurious motion based on wishful thinking rather than factual evidence. In general the courts need to sanction the poo poo out of bad lawyers being bad.
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BiggerBoat posted:
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Ynglaur posted:Now they need to sanction Roman's lawyer for bringing a spurious motion based on wishful thinking rather than factual evidence. If this is literally a nothingburger, I wouldn't be surprised if it ends in a show cause hearing for why they shouldn't get the poo poo smacked out of them. You know you're out on a limb when trump's lawyers are hesitant to sign on to a scathing accusation against one of his opponents.
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