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golden bubble posted:If Germany fails to contain their far right, those folk are working on Dexit. I wouldn't put my hopes on a Dexit anytime soon. The EU is far less unpopular in Germany than it ever was in Britain, and stuff like Schengen alone is much more conscious in the average German's mind (I know you can be in Schengen without being in the EU, but the EU-Exit types typically don't want Free Movement).
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What would Denmark leaving EU be called? Legxit?
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Torrannor posted:I wouldn't put my hopes on a Dexit anytime soon. The EU is far less unpopular in Germany than it ever was in Britain, and stuff like Schengen alone is much more conscious in the average German's mind (I know you can be in Schengen without being in the EU, but the EU-Exit types typically don't want Free Movement). Our Brexit ended up being the perfect example of 'gently caress around & find out'... don't try this poo poo at home.  Only silver lining for me was possibly accelerating the process of Northern Ireland reunifying with the rest of the island, but that one is still decades away.
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Nenonen posted:What would Denmark leaving EU be called? Legxit? Just Another Lurker posted:Our Brexit ended up being the perfect example of 'gently caress around & find out'... don't try this poo poo at home.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:We can't leave because there's no really good name for it. Surely you can make something funny out of "afslut" ?
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The Schlexit-Holstein question is so complicated, only three men in Europe have ever understood it. One was Prince Albert, who is dead. The second was a German professor who became mad. I am the third and I have forgotten all about it.
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It's clearly Danxit, getting rid of all the Dans. Better hope you're not a Dan yourself. Dan. Yeah, I mean you, Dan.
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Torrannor posted:I wouldn't put my hopes on a Dexit anytime soon. The EU is far less unpopular in Germany than it ever was in Britain, and stuff like Schengen alone is much more conscious in the average German's mind (I know you can be in Schengen without being in the EU, but the EU-Exit types typically don't want Free Movement). Economic depressions can make people desperate. I would not put it past them to continue shooting themselves in their feet.
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Germany cleverly disguised themselves as Russians and invaded Ukraine. Putin still hasn't cottoned on.
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Tesseraction posted:Germany cleverly disguised themselves as Russians and invaded Ukraine. Putin still hasn't cottoned on.
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How the HELL is Luxembourg getting so much money from EU??
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alex314 posted:How the HELL is Luxembourg getting so much money from EU??
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alex314 posted:How the HELL is Luxembourg getting so much money from EU?? The graph is per capita and their population is small, so little things appear big on the graph.
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alex314 posted:How the HELL is Luxembourg getting so much money from EU?? Its tiny (640k population), and has a lot of EU admin based there. quote:In 2020, Luxembourg contributed €407.4 million to the European budget. The same year, the country received more than €2.4 billion from the EU, composed of the following parts: That aside, even without the €1.7bn of EU admin its still a net benefactor to the tune of €300mn, or about €470 per year per capita - in the top 5 of the EU states. Which it probably shouldn't be given its wealth/tax haven status. Blut fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Jan 23, 2024 |
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Jan 23, 2024 16:04
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Additional question - whose dumb idea was to locate EU institutions in Luxembourg? I imagine the answer is "bribes" or "politicians from France and Belgium really like them (and bribes)".
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I always assumed it was specifically to choose a country unlikely to pursue imperial ambitions. Perfidious Albion would be furious if the damned French would host the main institutions and heaven forbid the Teutons get the seat of power. Stick it in Benelux but hang on the Brits are whining about the Orange Kingdom so skip the -ne- part.
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alex314 posted:Additional question - whose dumb idea was to locate EU institutions in Luxembourg? I imagine the answer is "bribes" or "politicians from France and Belgium really like them (and bribes)". Even though I won't exclude that there have been bribes, Luxembourg borders 3 of the other EC founding members and isn't very far from Paris, Brussels, Amsterdam/Den Haag and Bonn. They speak French and German, or at least Luxembourgish, which is mutually intelligible with western German dialects and they are the least threatening to take advantage of it/play political games. In 1957 at least.
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Tesseraction posted:I always assumed it was specifically to choose a country unlikely to pursue imperial ambitions. *laughs and pushes button*
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alex314 posted:Additional question - whose dumb idea was to locate EU institutions in Luxembourg? I imagine the answer is "bribes" or "politicians from France and Belgium really like them (and bribes)". Given the original membership of the EU/EEC its as logical a place as any to have them. Politically irrelevant, neutral (vs NL/France/Germany/Italy), geographically central etc. The same logic as Brussels but better really. The actual very dumb part of it is that the EU institutions are split between Brussels, Luxembourg and Strasbourg. Its a collosal waste of time, effort and money. In an ideal world we'd have had a purpose built EU diplomatic city like DC in the US. But failing that having everything in one place would at least have made far more practical, logistical and financial sense. And preferably somewhere nicer than Brussels, which is just an awful mess of a city.
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Maybe we could find a way to permanently locate the different parts of the EU that don't need to meet face to face in the different cities. Alternatively, build a new place in the middle of the EU (and relocate it after every expansion) 
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Probably shouldn't do a Mitteleuropa plan if the aim is to avoid Brexitish claims that the EU is a fourth reich.
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Guavanaut posted:Probably shouldn't do a Mitteleuropa plan if the aim is to avoid Brexitish claims that the EU is a fourth reich. Are you claiming someone still cares about what British brexiters think about anything?  Well ok, maybe you're talking about AfD etc instead... ok now I'm sad 
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Not even a majority of AfD voters are in favour of 'DExit', nevermind Germans in general: The UK is the only place where anything approaching 50% of the population would be stupid enough to even consider such a thing.
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Blut posted:Not even a majority of AfD voters are in favour of 'DExit', nevermind Germans in general: Luckily they are on an island and can only contaminate by boat, you might need a.... sea border!  I'm sure they'll love that.
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Ah, the classic EP's far right group breaking up because of differences in how to be racist. Bit weird tho that it happens just before EP elections, usually those fun times happen just after it when they realize that they have to share same political group with 'those people'.
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"Wow, Marine le Pen ditching people she agrees with in order to be electorally viable, what a shocking twist." - Jean-Marie le Pen
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Tesseraction posted:"Wow, Marine le Pen ditching people she agrees with in order to be electorally viable, what a shocking twist." - Jean-Marie le Pen marine le pen is in with a real chance of becoming president of france. she has developed the precise degree and kind of racism which is electorally optimal and will not be moved from it. once she had to affirm that france was a country with religious freedom in the face of some (LR? Renaissance? i forget) other right-wing politician going on a genuine islamophobic tirade on television. it was interesting because it shows that she has very clearly thought through exactly how far she's going with this stuff in public appearances
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V. Illych L. posted:marine le pen is in with a real chance of becoming president of france. she has developed the precise degree and kind of racism which is electorally optimal and will not be moved from it. once she had to affirm that france was a country with religious freedom in the face of some (LR? Renaissance? i forget) other right-wing politician going on a genuine islamophobic tirade on television. it was interesting because it shows that she has very clearly thought through exactly how far she's going with this stuff in public appearances Are the French fed up with Macron enough to finally stop begrudgingly voting for the non Le Pen person
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Are the French fed up with Macron enough to finally stop begrudgingly voting for the non Le Pen person i don't think so, but at this stage i wouldn't take any and all odds on a bet to that effect like i would in 2017 or 2022 e. i think it depends heavily on who the non-le pen person would be. macron is term limited out and he doesn't really have an obvious successor in place. imo he's trying to groom attal for that place and prime minister has historically been a position from which you can get quite popular in france, but i don't think anyone's actually become president from that position for a very long time V. Illych L. fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Jan 27, 2024 |
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It's time for the French to move into the 20th century and elect their first female president. It's time for Hidalgo to make cars illegal.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Are the French fed up with Macron enough to finally stop begrudgingly voting for the non Le Pen person It looks very likely. The polls have only been moving in only one direction in regards to support for Le Pen/RN over the last 20 years, and are now showing she'll likely get a majority: 2007: 10.4% 2012: 18% 2017: 34% 2022: 41.5% quote:French far-right leader Marine Le Pen would beat Emmanuel Macron if the presidential election of last year were repeated now https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230405-le-pen-would-beat-macron-if-french-presidential-vote-repeated-poll Blut fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Jan 27, 2024 |
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Blut posted:It looks very likely. The polls have only been moving in only one direction in regards to support for Le Pen/RN over the last 20 years, and are now showing she'll likely get a majority: it bears noting that in 2007 and 2012 le pen didn't make it past the first round of votes, so the trend here isn't quite as stark as one might think, but old man le pen did make the second round back in 2002 and got 18% of the vote with quite significant turnout. the cordon sanitaire is looking extremely frayed between marine's political nous and the gradual collective realisation that this is just how things are now
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V. Illych L. posted:it bears noting that in 2007 and 2012 le pen didn't make it past the first round of votes, so the trend here isn't quite as stark as one might think, but old man le pen did make the second round back in 2002 and got 18% of the vote with quite significant turnout. the cordon sanitaire is looking extremely frayed between marine's political nous and the gradual collective realisation that this is just how things are now yeah if you look at the first round votes for the two recent elections, le pen got 21% in 2017 and 23% in 2022. so increasing support but not exactly doubling between 2012 and now. on the other hand... not good! i would put money on her winning in 2027.
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V. Illych L. posted:it bears noting that in 2007 and 2012 le pen didn't make it past the first round of votes, so the trend here isn't quite as stark as one might think, but old man le pen did make the second round back in 2002 and got 18% of the vote with quite significant turnout. the cordon sanitaire is looking extremely frayed between marine's political nous and the gradual collective realisation that this is just how things are now lobster shirt posted:yeah if you look at the first round votes for the two recent elections, le pen got 21% in 2017 and 23% in 2022. so increasing support but not exactly doubling between 2012 and now. on the other hand... not good! i would put money on her winning in 2027. Zemmour took 7% of the vote in the first round in 2022 by being even further to Le Pen's right. Almost all of his votes would have gone to Le Pen otherwise, either way bringing the far right total up to 30%. And shes likely to get well over that in the first round in 2027. Even taking only the second round, 34% in 2017, to 41% in 2022, to polling at 55% now, is still a farly horrifying increase in support for her. Theres still 3 years to go but its hard to see anyone rising to challenge her from the disjointed mess that is the French left, or the decimated more traditional center-right/left parties. Attal vs Le Pen looks odds on most likely as the final two, with her winning out.
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Glah posted:Ah, the classic EP's far right group breaking up because of differences in how to be racist. Bit weird tho that it happens just before EP elections, usually those fun times happen just after it when they realize that they have to share same political group with 'those people'. I think the fash adjacent rightwing establishment is just throwing the afd away because they went too far to quickly and might turn into a focal point for a movement that actually has the capabilities to hurt said establishment. A few days ago the german welt published a hit piece explaining how "left and green" the afd ACTUALLY is, so yea, their time seems to be up.
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