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goblin week posted:nothing sensitive about moralism. A moralist who doesn't want to change anything but feels really bad about it sounds pretty accurate imo.
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Epic High Five posted:Lots of good wall art in this game 
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Jan 23, 2024 21:03
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I have been in a mind to get a new avatar since mine is about ten years old. Art from one of the skills seems like a good bet. I'm not sure which one to use, though.
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Jan 23, 2024 23:08
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Mr. Evart is helping me decorate my house.
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Jan 24, 2024 01:34
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goblin week posted:nothing sensitive about moralism. Why not... instead of doing the painful thing, the thing that will 100% get people lined up in front of a wall and shot, what if instead we just try to make things better a little bit at a time? Yes, there is much about the current system that is monstrous, but what if we gently push it in a better direction? That's good, and we don't have to kill anyone. People will die, of course. And suffer. But we can know we were trying to stop it. Incrementally. Without hurting anyone's feelings and causing more strife. Moralism isn't about airships training their weapons on an occupied city. That's just an unfortunate development. Moralism is about taking care of everyone. Moralism is very, very sensitive.
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Jan 24, 2024 08:48
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The criticism has only gotten more sharp recently with the rabid insistence from the mainstream that the only real problems are just vibes, and how good the economy is.
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Jan 24, 2024 09:22
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I just rolled credits. Fuckin stellar. But this felt like a bit of a personal attack. 
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Jan 24, 2024 09:30
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The Zombie Guy posted:I just rolled credits. Fuckin stellar. Given how long he's been self-medicating, the detective probably does need to start having his use of psychoactive substances clinically supervised.
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Jan 24, 2024 09:49
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He'd probably be the subject of a few dissertations. "Good lord! So there IS an ex-wife!"
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Jan 24, 2024 12:28
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goblin week posted:nothing sensitive about moralism. It's very sensitive to la price stabilite.
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Jan 24, 2024 23:19
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I have been watching some playthroughs on Youtube on the background lately, just as background noise, and I did it - I found the worst playthrough. A dude who actually distrusts Kim and gets genuinely angry talking to him. He did get some very misfortunate rolls and dialogue selections that made him skip most of the positive Kim background building where he has your back, but whatever, I think honestly this person is the Devil and we need to eat him to protect Kim. Not going to link it because such filth does not deserve views.
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Jan 25, 2024 01:55
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JOHN SKELETON posted:I have been watching some playthroughs on Youtube on the background lately, just as background noise, and I did it - I found the worst playthrough. A dude who actually distrusts Kim and gets genuinely angry talking to him. He did get some very misfortunate rolls and dialogue selections that made him skip most of the positive Kim background building where he has your back, but whatever, I think honestly this person is the Devil and we need to eat him to protect Kim. I'm in my second run and I'm deliberately trying to do things differently from my first. I'm playing a big, dumb Moralist rear end in a top hat and just a couple hours into day one I got a Steam achievement for making Kim so mad. : ((((((((
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Jan 25, 2024 02:12
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Eiba posted:One key thing that this game acknowledges and a some people don't want to think too hard about is that fixing the world is going to hurt. This story lays bare the crimes of the liberal status quo, and makes obvious the inherent violence that supports it. But... it's there. That threat of violence for opposing the world order is real.
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Jan 25, 2024 02:20
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I just watched Poor Things and it had such Disco Elysium energy that I just had to come to this thread and recommend it to everyone. Not sure if anyone else has mentioned the similarities in this thread, but watch this movie!!
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Jan 28, 2024 05:13
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Updog Scully posted:I just watched Poor Things and it had such Disco Elysium energy that I just had to come to this thread and recommend it to everyone. Not sure if anyone else has mentioned the similarities in this thread, but watch this movie!! I was gonna watch it anyway, but now I'm really gonna watch it anyway
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Jan 28, 2024 09:56
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Related, I've finally started watching True Detective (after intense lobbying by my friends) and indeed the Disco Elysium vibes are there
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Chikimiki posted:Related, I've finally started watching True Detective (after intense lobbying by my friends) and indeed the Disco Elysium vibes are there The Shivers that Rust has in s01 is definitely cool, looking forward to watching s04 soon, hope it's better than s02 and at least as good as s03, the first series was the best cop drama in a long time.
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Jan 28, 2024 22:24
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the short novel The Moscoviad also has a similar energy to Disco Elysium
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Jan 29, 2024 16:04
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check out the rpg planescape torment
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Jan 29, 2024 16:23
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The City & The City by China Miéville and The Yiddish Policemen's Union by Michael Chabon.
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Jan 29, 2024 21:12
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The City & The City has such strong DE vibes I'm sure it was an inspiration for the game.
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Jan 29, 2024 22:04
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Thirding the city and the city! It's a great read. Highly recommend any China Mieville book, really I looked him up to see what he'd been up to since Embassytown (2011), and apparently he's releasing a new fiction book this year, co-authored with... Keanu Reeves?
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Jan 29, 2024 22:10
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General Battuta posted:The City & The City has such strong DE vibes I'm sure it was an inspiration for the game. you're not the only one to think of that quote:RPS: That’s interesting...have you read the City and the City? Was that an inspiration?
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Jan 29, 2024 22:39
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Bohemian Nights posted:Thirding the city and the city! It's a great read. Highly recommend any China Mieville book, really i think mieville is a really good writer but he only writes ok books, if that makes sense. i loathed the putrid miserabilism of perdido st station and while the kraken was good it needed a thorough edit to fix all the scenes of the characters bumping into each other wondering where the plot was. i do need to read TCATC though.
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Jan 29, 2024 23:05
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Well poo poo! I am corrected!
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TC&TC is the only Miéville book I've ever read and I loved it front to back. Read TC&TC if you want more bizarre worldbuilding with specific rules but I really have to recommend The Yiddish Policemen's Union if your favorite parts of DE was the divorcing.
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Jan 30, 2024 00:21
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Disco Elysium: D&D nerds who wanted to have a telephone in the game
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Jan 30, 2024 00:33
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Iirc Émile Zola's Germinal was a big influence and I definitely got that vibe when I read it. The protagonist has a muddled, ad hoc ideology similar to Harry's; it's slapped together from some hastily-read socialist tracts and an incredibly bloodthirsty Russian anarchist exile, and the novel is suffused with a simmering class conflict that could boil over at any moment similar to what's happening with the harbor in DE. You also get a thorough examination of all the class elements in this tiny mining town from the workers to the managers to the mine owner and a petty bourgeois shop owner.
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Desdinova posted:The Shivers that Rust has in s01 is definitely cool, looking forward to watching s04 soon, hope it's better than s02 and at least as good as s03, the first series was the best cop drama in a long time. I’m really enjoying S04, but I don’t know how much DE vibes it has. There’s several crazy policemen in it, that’s for sure, and it’s set in a liminal environment. There’s also cosmic horror elements like S01. S01 is one of my favorite TV shows of all time. S03 was good, especially the sundowning geriatric squad elements. I hated S02 and only got like 2 episodes in. So far, I’d put S04 above S03. I’d say it’s a watch for sure I also love Astronomy and the entire Imaginos concept album, if that lends my recommendation any more credence.
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King Carnivore posted:I’m really enjoying S04, but I don’t know how much DE vibes it has. There’s several crazy policemen in it, that’s for sure, and it’s set in a liminal environment. There’s also cosmic horror elements like S01. Welp, I know what I'm watching next now! I stuck with s02 and it was an alright cop show, just nothing particularly supernatural or cosmic or horror about it, wouldn't argue with you for dropping it after a couple of episodes. You're the first person I've met on SA since I registered who has even mentioned Imaginos on the forums - it's a supremely fantastic album. Would be good to swap some more worthwhile things to consume in a similar vein. I recently watched a adaptation by Film4 of The Double by Dostoevsky, it has the main lead wondering if he's insane or the system and/or coworkers are, no cops in it or drugs, though dealing with a successful doppleganger is quite a fun premise, made me rethink my opinion of Jesse Eisenberg.
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I always see City and the City and Yiddish Policeman's Union brought up, and rightly so, but never the one that I think of - Kiss Me Judas by Will Christopher Baer, an absolute 90s fever dream of a book where an ex-cop wakes up with a missing kidney in a bathtub and goes nonchalantly investigating after the prostitute that took it (that he's now in love with). The kidney may or may not have been replaced with a bag of heroin. It's all a first person unreliable narrator haze. Oh and his wife is dead in vague circumstances. It's not a Good Book like the others and the style is... challenging, but, well: quote:How did you lose your shield? says the Blister. (Yes all the dialogue is narrated like that. Like I said, challenging.)
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Jan 30, 2024 17:04
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Destrado posted:(Yes all the dialogue is narrated like that. Like I said, challenging.) I once new a naval academy graduate like that. Learned carpentry by living / working in a Spanish whorehouse. Used to say things like:” You haven’t lived till you had a girl take a poo poo on your chest.” Now he writes a folksy published advice column that isn’t available online.
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Wonder if Slipstream SCA in the game is any kind of reference
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panko posted:check out the rpg planescape torment
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Eiba posted:Moralism isn't about airships training their weapons on an occupied city. That's just an unfortunate development. Moralism is about taking care of everyone. Moralism is very, very sensitive. That's the bargain being offered and it's definitely enticing, but then the game also calls out "the mask dropping off" when the coalition attacked and if you do the moralist quest the way the airship's operator's tone suddenly changes when you mention the pale. I think that implies that Moralism isn't sensitive, or even bears any recognizably human trait. Moralism is psychopathic.
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Moralism is portrayed as sinister, I agree. I think it's meant to show that really no, we cannot all just get along. It wouldn't even be nice if that were the case, actually. For that to happen, opposing ideologies have to be either crushed or boiled. Moralism boils the frog. Moralists are folks who are ready to serve.
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Eiba posted:One key thing that this game acknowledges and a some people don't want to think too hard about is that fixing the world is going to hurt. This story lays bare the crimes of the liberal status quo, and makes obvious the inherent violence that supports it. But... it's there. That threat of violence for opposing the world order is real. You've really misunderstood moralism. Moralism is what we call 'neoliberalism', ie the dominant political ideology of the West. Both portray themselves as the 'civilised' option. But the catch is with this belief is the belief that all other ideologies are inferior and cannot be allowed to continue. This is the whole 'end of history' thing we have here in our world. Both systems are a horrifying collection of contradictions that preach peace and acceptance but are constantly finding reasons for conflict. Because the core issue with such an ideology is a lack of actual concrete ideals. Boiled down, neoliberalism and moralism want 'stability' because this is Good for shareholder profit. There is nothing more real, in the west, than money. Everything else is not just secondary, they are irrelevant. Conflicting political systems cannot be allowed to persist, for history has ended, do they not know this? The term 'moralism' is to put it in direct opposition to 'materialism' ie marxist ideologies. In a moralist system material realities are irrelevant, the prior history of incidents are irrelevant. What will happen in the future is irrelevant. All that matters is that intent be 'moral' at that instant in time, as decided arbitrarily by current elites. Is the material reality that current democratic systems are being constantly abused and captured by corporate interest causing the impoverishment and suffering of billions? Doesn't matter, democratic systems are moral. The rules based international order is moral. No other systems are valid. They will be met with force, if not today, then one day in the future. Moralism is a tool of the rich and powerful and the Holy system by which they will get richer and more powerful. It is not sensitive at all. Its not even for humans. I think you've correctly identified that the ideology is being mocked as ineffective but it isn't because 'incrementalism' isn't fast enough or whatever, its because 'incrementalism' was a lie in the first place. Moralism is just about 'ze price stabilité'. Absolutely nothing else.
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The solution to Kingdom of Conscience all but says out loud that Moralism is sinister. Careful, plodding incrementalism that looks forward to a distant, vague better world? Nope! The status quo is cool and fine actually, and all this fretting over how long it takes to make a better world is a screen for keeping things just as they are, no matter how lovely they are for everyone outside the power structure. It chides Moralists who cling to principles and ideals as rookies and children, and that once the philosophy matures in a person they become power-seeking psychopaths as much as any fascist or ultra-liberal.
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Yeah, the whole point is that Moralists are, at best, utterly useless people for even recognising, let alone dealing with actual problems, and at worst, they are the active cause of them.
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