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Z the IVth posted:Flagging this again as no one has answered. My copy of Total Warfare doesn't seem to say anything about this, so it probably isn't possible. A lucky crit might turn one of them into a lawn dart though.
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Z the IVth posted:PTN, can I interrupt the fighter's attack run if I shoot at them? Things that happen in the shooting phase are simultaneous, there's no way to interrupt an enemy attack with an attack without a very specific SPA.
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Rifleman Ok I'm gonna shoot the ASF since I don't really have good options moving forward.
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propatriamori posted:I don't know if you've considered it, but you're presently in position to hit the Crusader from the rear as well. Its rear armor is pretty thin, and it's kind of ammo pińata. Pretty sure there's a Dragon in the way. And if I swing towards the bottom, there's, like, a raised thingie with green stuff on it. Best if I head to 0909, and keep hammering his left side. I've damaged his arm a bit, I might get a lucky shot to his left torso as well. I'm sending in the orders.
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Jan 21, 2024 19:37
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Units don't block line of sight.
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They do if they have their weapons pointed in your direction. My cowardice gets in the way of shooting in their direction and getting their attention.
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Showdown at High Noon 4-6 The noon glacier was dotted with low hills and trees, but even those weren’t enough to provide the enemy AeroSpace fighters with cover on approach. Even then, Ironhead thought they were flying uncomfortably—probably dangerously—low. So close to the ground, all it would take was a taller-than-average tree and one of the fighters could be lost in an instant; and yet there just wasn’t enough cover to hide their approach. They were too low for bombs, and even strafing looked like it would be risky. It looked more like a kamikaze attack than an airstrike. Ironhead shook it off, the incongruity bothered her but if she didn’t put up some fire they’d be able to do—whatever they were planning. Fortunately, the Rifleman’s rangefinders were more than up for the task, giving her a lead bubble for her autocannons. Lasers didn’t need the lead time, but everyone knew autocannons were best against airborne fighters. She thumbed her firing stud and the Rifleman rocked as both autocannons opened up. AeroSpace Fighters were large targets, but they were far faster than BattleMechs. One of her salvos missed, but the other caught the bigger delta-wing fighter dead center; shaking it visibly. For a moment she felt a flash of elation as its silhouette started to break up. Even a few lost components would put that fighter at risk if it tried to land or boost for space—a breach or a lost landing gear would be an almost-certain death sentence—and if she got lucky, the fighter might break up completely. It took her a few moments to realize that wasn’t what was happening. “poo poo,” she broadcast. “AirMech conversion! Watch your backs, enemy Land-Air Mech lance incoming!”    Movement Phase [n/a] AeroSpace Movement Phase Unknown Medium LAM - Initiates AirMech conversion, exits AeroSpace map. Deploys onto surface map on hex 1628! Unknown Light LAM - Initiates AirMech conversion, exits AeroSpace map. Deploys onto surface map on hex 1628! Shooting Phase Hoplite (Player) - Fires LB-10X [Slug] at Stalker (2 Gunnery + 0 range + 0 movement + 0 enemy movement = 2): automatically hit Center Torso (13/38 armor remaining)! - Fires Medium Laser at Stalker (2 Gunnery + 2 range + 0 movement + 0 enemy movement = 4): rolled 5, hit Left Leg (27/32 armor remaining)! - Fires Medium Laser at Stalker (2 Gunnery + 2 range + 0 movement + 0 enemy movement = 4): rolled 8, hit Left Arm (20/25 armor remaining)! - gains 8 heat, sinks 16! Rifleman (Player) - Fires Ultra AC/5 [Ultra] at Unknown Medium LAM ([3] Gunnery + 0 range + 1 movement + 3 enemy movement - 2 airborne target = 5): rolled 4, missed! - Fires Ultra AC/5 [Ultra] at Unknown Medium LAM ([3] Gunnery + 0 range + 1 movement + 3 enemy movement - 2 airborne target = 5): rolled 9, with a cluster roll of (6 + 2 = 8): 2 shells hit Center Torso (18/23 armor remaining), Center Torso (13/23 armor remaining)! - gains 16 heat, sinks 20! Ostsol (Player) - Fires Large Pulse Laser at Crusader (3 Gunnery + 0 range + 2 movement + 1 enemy movement - 2 pulse laser = 4): rolled 3, missed! - Fires Large Pulse Laser at Crusader (3 Gunnery + 0 range + 2 movement + 1 enemy movement - 2 pulse laser = 4): rolled 6, hit Left Arm (2/20 armor remaining)! - Fires Medium Laser at Crusader (3 Gunnery + 0 range + 2 movement + 1 enemy movement = 6): rolled 7, hit Right Torso (19/24 armor remaining)! - Fires Medium Laser at Crusader (3 Gunnery + 0 range + 2 movement + 1 enemy movement = 6): rolled 4, missed! - gains 28 heat, sinks 32! Thunderbolt (Player) - Fires Large Laser at Catapult (3 Gunnery + 0 range + 3 movement + 1 enemy movement = 7): rolled 10, hit Right Arm (4/20 armor remaining)! - Fires Medium Laser at Catapult (3 Gunnery + 0 range + 3 movement + 1 enemy movement = 7): rolled 8, hit Right Arm (0/20 armor, 9/10 structure remaining)! Crit! - - Catapult suffers a critical chance in Right Arm: rolled 10, 2 critical hits sustained! - - - Rolled 4: lower. Rolled 3: Double Heat Sink destroyed! - - - Rolled 5: lower. Rolled 2: Double Heat Sink destroyed! - Fires Machine Gun at Catapult (3 Gunnery + 0 range + 3 movement + 1 enemy movement = 7): rolled 7, hit Left Torso (20/22 armor remaining)! - Fires Machine Gun at Catapult (3 Gunnery + 0 range + 3 movement + 1 enemy movement = 7): rolled 7, hit Center Torso (26/28 armor remaining)! TAC! - - Catapult suffers a through-armor critical chance in Center Torso: rolled 3, no critical hit sustained! - Fires Machine Gun at Catapult (3 Gunnery + 0 range + 3 movement + 1 enemy movement = 7): rolled 8, hit Head (7/9 armor remaining)! Pilot hit! - gains 15 heat, sinks 16! Overheating! BattleMaster (Player) - No Line of Sight to Unknown Heavy ‘Mech 2! - gains 0 heat, sinks 34! Stalker - Fires ER Large Laser at Hoplite (3 Gunnery + 0 range + 1 movement + 0 enemy movement + 1 light woods = 5): rolled 7, hit Left Torso (10/18 armor remaining)! - Fires ER Large Laser at Hoplite (3 Gunnery + 0 range + 1 movement + 0 enemy movement + 1 light woods = 5): rolled 9, hit Right Torso (10/18 armor remaining)! - gains 24 heat, sinks 32! Catapult - Fires ER PPC at Thunderbolt (3 gunnery + 0 range + 1 movement + 2 enemy movement = 6): rolled 7, hit Right Torso (14/24 armor remaining)! - Fires ER PPC at Thunderbolt (3 gunnery + 0 range + 1 movement + 2 enemy movement = 6): rolled 4, missed! - gains 32 heat, sinks 32! Crusader - Fires Medium Laser at Ostsol (3 gunnery + 0 range + 2 movement + 1 enemy movement = 6): rolled 8, hit Right Torso (12/22 armor remaining)! - Fires Medium Laser at Ostsol (3 gunnery + 0 range + 2 movement + 1 enemy movement = 6): rolled 8, hit Left Torso (17/22 armor remaining)! - Fires Machine Gun at Ostsol (3 gunnery + 0 range + 2 movement + 1 enemy movement = 6): rolled 6, hit Right Leg (15/22 armor remaining)! - Fires Machine Gun at Ostsol (3 gunnery + 0 range + 2 movement + 1 enemy movement = 6): rolled 5, missed! - Fires SRM-6 at Ostsol (3 gunnery + 0 range + 2 movement + 1 enemy movement = 6): rolled 5, missed! - Fires SRM-6 at Ostsol (3 gunnery + 0 range + 2 movement + 1 enemy movement = 6): rolled4, missed! - gains 16 heat, sinks 10! Unknown Heavy ‘Mech #2 - Torso-twists to threaten hex 0810! - Fires AC/5 [Precision Ammo] at Ostsol (3 gunnery + 0 range + 2 movement + [0] enemy movement (precision ammo) = 5): rolled 7, hit Right Arm (11/16 armor remaining)! - Fires Medium Laser at Hoplite (3 gunnery + 0 range + 2 movement + 1 enemy movement = 6): rolled 6, hit Right Torso (7/22 armor remaining)! - gains 6 heat, sinks 10! Unknown Medium LAM - Fires Medium Laser at Rifleman (3 gunnery + 2 range + 2 movement + 0 enemy movement = 7): rolled 6, missed! - Fires Medium Laser at Rifleman (3 gunnery + 2 range + 2 movement + 0 enemy movement = 7): rolled 4, missed! - Gains 8 heat, sinks 24! Unknown Light LAM - Holds fire! - Gains 2 heat, sinks 20! Marsden CWT #1 (Ally) - Holds fire! Marsden CWT #2 (Ally) - Fires Medium Rifle at Catapult (4 gunnery + 2 range + 1 movement + 1 enemy movement = 8): rolled 8, hit Center Torso (20/28 armor remaining)! Heavy Tracked APC #1 (Ally) - Holds fire! Heavy Tracked APC #2 (Ally) - Holds fire! SnowCAT #1 (Ally) - Holds fire! SnowCAT #2 (Ally) - Holds fire! SnowCAT #3 (Ally) - Holds fire! Shooting End Phase Ostsol (Player) - Must pass a piloting test or fall (4 gunnery + 1 massive damage = 5): rolled 7, succeeds! Catapult - Must pass a piloting test or fall (4 gunnery + 1 massive damage = 5): rolled 7, succeeds! Stalker - Must pass a piloting test or fall (4 gunnery + 1 massive damage = 5): rolled 8, succeeds! Melee Phase [n/a] Melee End Phase [n/a] Heat Phase Heat applied! End Phase [n/a] Next Turn’s Movement Phase [n/a]   Map Link Objectives Primary Objective - Capture the Enemy DropShip (0/1) - - Overwhelm DropShip Troop Strength (0/46) - - Turns until the Turncoat is Overwhelmed (5/12) Secondary Objective - Defeat Enemy BattleMech Lance (0/4) - Keep All Enemy Mechs Engaged for 3 Turns (2/3 remaining): - - Stalker Engaged (1/1) - - Catapult Engaged (1/1) - - Crusader Engaged (1/1) - - Unknown Heavy ‘Mech 2 Engaged (Failed) Player Status:      Ally Status:          OpForce Status:       Special Rules Glacial Exposure: Ejecting pilots suffer 1 automatic pilot damage. Light Autocannon Tweaks - Autocannon/5s can fire singly or burst fire two shots as per the Ultra Autocannon rules, with the standard chance to jam. - Autocannon/2s can fire singly or burst fire three shots as per the Ultra Autocannon rules, with the standard chance to jam. - Ultra Autocannons don't jam, and receive a +2 bonus on cluster table rolls at short range, +1 at medium range, and +0 at long range. Small Weapon Tweaks - Weapons with a range of 3 or less only have a short range bracket.
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LAMs hahahah
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7dXLJaGqKM
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Battlemaster siiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh how'd I miss 1114 blocking that LOS. I'm really sorry everybody. I got tunnel-visioned on the rear arc stuff, I guess, and screwed up a whole turn of secondary objective. and now we've got LAMs too. who in the hell have we gone to war with painedforever posted:They do if they have their weapons pointed in your direction. This is interesting to me because, to me, you made a really brave move getting in close to the Crusader, which has a lot of short-range brawling firepower. It missed several shots on 6s but still did quite a bit of damage to you. The Dragon has always seemed like a shittier Centurion to me. Kind of Shadow-Hawky tbh. anyway, what am I going to do...1016 beckons again, I guess. That'd give me rear-arc on the LAM. Do we reckon that shooting at the Dragon as a secondary target keeps it engaged?
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Considering the defining feature of a Centurion is being slow and having a big gun, calling the Dragon (relatively zippy for its weight class) a shittier Centurion is inaccurate both in its generosity by comparing it to a Centurion, but also by failing to describe its intended role.
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Hoplite Going to try and distract the Dragon before it wrecks that APC. Suggest the Battlemaster puts pressure on the Stalker. Orders are in
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jumping up to the catapult's grill, tossing some missiles at the stalker too.
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Jan 22, 2024 04:26
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Pffft, LAMs. Everyone knows QuadVees are where it's at.
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Battlemaster The move mods on those LAMs are just ridiculous. As much as I want to shoot at the back of the little one I don't think anything I have is going to shoot at better than 8s. Since the Hoplite's switching targets I'll mount the hill here. I think reverse to 1116, turn, then up 1115 is optimal if I want to end up facing 1114 so the larger LAM isn't in my rear arc. Then everything at the Stalker. I'm at zero heat and whiffed the last turn so I need to try to get damage out. I think that'll put me at 14 heat. I'll cool off some next turn. Orders in.
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propatriamori posted:Battlemaster A caveat: Are you using running movement? Reversing and running can't be done together, I think?
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AJ_Impy posted:A caveat: Are you using running movement? Reversing and running can't be done together, I think? Pretty sure I'm not--it's one to back up into 1116, a turn toward 1115, then 2 (1 hex +1 elevation) into 1115. Should all be walking, right? I'm 4/6 and I'm at 0 heat right now.
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propatriamori posted:Pretty sure I'm not--it's one to back up into 1116, a turn toward 1115, then 2 (1 hex +1 elevation) into 1115. Should all be walking, right? I'm 4/6 and I'm at 0 heat right now. Yeah, you're good. LAM hitting side armor, only walking mp used.
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AJ_Impy posted:Yeah, you're good. LAM hitting side armor, only walking mp used. Thank you very much for double-checking.
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propatriamori posted:siiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh how'd I miss 1114 blocking that LOS. I'm really sorry everybody. I got tunnel-visioned on the rear arc stuff, I guess, and screwed up a whole turn of secondary objective. You're doing fine, these sorts of things happen. There's a reason why that objective is being tracked per 'Mech.
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quote:“poo poo,” she broadcast. “AirMech conversion! Watch your backs, enemy Land-Air Mech lance incoming!”  PTN is bringing out the very deepest cuts here, I don't think I've seen a LAM in any BT actually being used, just mentioned as a weird ancient quirky thing that no one actually uses. This is really a house field testing prototype units before committing to a large order, isn't it. Edit: \/\/ Did he? I don't recall if so, but you're probably right Volmarias fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Jan 22, 2024 |
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I could've sworn PTN brought out LAMs in his BT AU thread at some point
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I had a 'Mech based on the Screamer LAM, the Screaming Hawk; but it was not a LAM. It was just LAM-adjacent. People have asked me to run LAMs for years and I've never done it. LAMs are fine--as long as they stay in Mech/AirMech. AirMech LAMs are no worse than most VTOLs (and operate almost exactly the same way, complete with accidental sideslips if they do more than cruise). They're really kinda stuck using only energy weapons or the lightest missile launchers. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Jan 22, 2024 |
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Rifleman Does my AA bonus apply to the Airmechs?
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Z the IVth posted:Rifleman It applies to AeroSpace Fighters, and anything that would normally have an Airborne Target penalty like VTOLs, Wing in Ground Effect (WiGE) vehicles, AirMechs, and certain types of BattleArmor; and replaces the +1 airborne target penalty with a -2 airborne target bonus
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Rifleman Right, I'm AA so might as well ack the ack. Moving to 1623 and letting the Medium LAM have my UACs and LLs.
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Ah, LAMs. At this time, I am so overwhelmed by emotion that I find that I am uncertain how to celebrate it. Perhaps, a quiet chuckle. Heh-heh-heh. Hang around boys. I'll get to you as soon as I smash this stupid little Crusader who insists on scratching my paint, and won't bloody die when he's told to. Hey PTN, the weird hexes. Thin ice? Oh, and somebody needs to do something about that Dragon right now before he kills our troops. Should I chase it down, and leave the Crusader to somebody else? I don't know if the Battlemaster or the Hoplite can make it through the gunk in front of them to engage it and the Stalker...
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painedforever posted:Ah, LAMs. At this time, I am so overwhelmed by emotion that I find that I am uncertain how to celebrate it. I’ve got guns on the Dragon this turn.
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So do they qualify as Veritechs or not?
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Considering it looks like a Stinger and a Phoenix Hawk, yes.
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PoptartsNinja posted:I had a 'Mech based on the Screamer LAM, the Screaming Hawk; but it was not a LAM. It was just LAM-adjacent. Ah yes, the Jump 11 monster that was somehow only the second deadliest 'mech in that campaign.
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JackSplater posted:Ah yes, the Jump 11 monster that was somehow only the second deadliest 'mech in that campaign. It was the deadliest legal mech design, if we're thinking of the same thing.
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I know the clanners it wrecked would disagree, but there was nothing illegal about the RAS-04a Atlas III "King Atlas" taking down a star of 'Mechs in 3 turns.
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I was thinking of the King Cobra because it has the power to go Ultra Instinct.
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painedforever posted:Hey PTN, the weird hexes. Thin ice? the caution-striped hexes are thin ice, yes. More's getting revealed as the vehicles make their sprint (presumably the drivers shouting "oooh yeah, that's thin ice there eh!")
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Ardlen posted:I know the clanners it wrecked would disagree, but there was nothing illegal about the RAS-04a Atlas III "King Atlas" taking down a star of 'Mechs in 3 turns. the King Atlas went up against poo poo like this and IIRC didn't even get its armor pierced these guys were absolutely terrifying. but also they only managed to actually kill one pilot so good job on goonlance that time around 
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Ardlen posted:I know the clanners it wrecked would disagree, but there was nothing illegal about the RAS-04a Atlas III "King Atlas" taking down a star of 'Mechs in 3 turns. Wasn't it like 1 kill a turn for something stupid like 11 turns in a row?
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actually the King Atlas did get its left torso blown off but it hardly mattered. It was kicking legs off left and right. what a beast
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Z the IVth posted:Wasn't it like 1 kill a turn for something stupid like 11 turns in a row? In the middle of Air Raid it had three turns of 2 mech kills in a row. I don't know what its kill streak ended up being, I just remember that being ridiculous.
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