Slavvy posted:

The latter could've happened tho

dead gay comedy forums posted:

I did post about that earlier somewhere (thread convergence is real)

Japan got seriously engaged with Marxism and imho has one of the richest traditions of the field (the Japanese translation of the complete works of Marx-Engels was the second but might've been the first); they took it further than the Germans that they first got in contact with because they didn't have the prejudices about the our fella and actually caught traction not just with the labor movement, but with many conservative and imperialist modernizers as well. Marx didn't face an ideological refutation in Japan, like what the anglo establishment tried to do with the Austrian school, the critique of political economy was accepted as something that had to be dealt with.

And, well, that seems to have contributed a lot towards making Japanese fascism utterly loving psychotic (it was heavily weaponized into being so it could cripple and assimilate the labor movement). Not only Marxism survived, it still faced the Red Purge from the USA and even so, the Communist Party of Japan somehow still exists. It remains the oldest active there and holy loving poo poo and also one of the largest legit old school Comintern parties of the world. It's a miracle (and has a lot to do with that Marxist tradition)

Frosted Flake posted:

He describes what feels like every machine used in the loving textile industry from the kind of plow used to prepare fields for planting flax, I think he had a handle on it lol.

mlmp08 posted:

It's true that the Navy would like to put aircraft which do not yet exist and have never before been fielded onto carriers once they exist and have been fielded. This is a bit like telling you that you are currently short on ownership of computers, because you don't yet have whatever new computer you're going to own in 2030, even though you do presumably have a computer right now.

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Lastly, you omitted the part of the youtube video that says that the carrier air wing plan would reduce its numbers by removing up to 13x helicopters from carriers (this sounds a bit dubious and the youtuber again acknowledges he's kind of guessing and might be wrong or might not understand it clearly).

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The Navy hasn't really figured out how it wants to configure the Ford yet, as posted up thread. The Navy has indicated that as the Ford comes online, they may seek to increase the number of aircraftt onboard the Ford class, but that such increased numbers might not work on the Nimitz-class. I think that might be what's throwing you off.

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So all told, you found a source from 2022 that warns that they're kind of guessing based on spotty reports, and also the final tally they come up with is that the aircraft onboard the carrier would be somewhere between 68 and 78 aircraft, but they're not sure how correct that is. Did you notice the part about the helicopters in this video?

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If we assume that everything posted by that youtuber is correct, then the Navy is considering adding 1x E2-D, and 2x EA-18Gs (still being manufactured and delivered to this day). So three additional aircraft that exist or have active, proven assembly lines.

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As illustrated in a PowerPoint slide, the future wing would still include 44 strike fighters as it does now, but the mix of Block 4 F-35C Lightning II fighters and Block III F/A-18E/F Super Hornet fighters changes from 10 and 34, respectively, to 16 and 28. The strike fighters would equip one 16-aircraft F-35C squadron and three F/A-18E/F squadrons totalling 28 Super Hornets.

The other aircraft in the wing would include five-to-seven EA-18G Growler electronic combat aircraft, five E-2D Advanced Hawkeye command-and-control aircraft, six-to-ten MH-60 Seahawk helicopters, three CMV-22B Osprey carrier-onboard delivery aircraft, and five-to-nine MQ-25 Stingray aerial tanker unmanned aircraft.

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Three takeaways from the US Navy’s first F-35C deployment

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The “air wing of the future” also included two additional EA-18G Growlers and one additional E-2D Advanced Hawkeye aircraft, bolstering the air wing’s ability to sense the operating area and share data from those sensors across the CSG.

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Strike group commander Rear Adm. Dan Martin said Carrier Air Wing 2 showed “seamless integration” of the F-35C and the CMV-22 into the air wing.

Not only did it bring new and more capable aircraft into the mix, it was a larger air wing than usual — and Martin is advocating for it to grow larger still.

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Though his air wing already had two more Growlers that a typical air wing, Martin said “we’re advocating for more because we saw the value of that aircraft in theater.”

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Several crew members on the carrier told Defense News they struggled with the high “deck density,” or the number of aircraft given the amount of space on the flight deck and the hangar bay, early in the deployment.

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Martin acknowledged the challenges that would come with adding more aircraft into finite hangar and flight deck space, but said it’s important for the Navy to “shape the air wing that’s relevant for the threat.”

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The Navy has started reducing the number of helicopters it sends in an air wing, Martin said, which could free up room for more jets — but he said he had 19 helos and “we needed all of them.” Martin said he sent his MH-60s on long flights for anti-submarine warfare, surface warfare, search and rescue and other missions.

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Despite the larger air wing, Carl Vinson Commanding Officer Capt. P. Scott Miller said in an address to the crew on the 1MC “we had no aircraft-to-aircraft crunches throughout the entire deployment … in either the hangar bay or the flight deck,” a safety feat no one on his staff could recall achieving in other deployments.

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“Once you even get close to the South China Sea, you can bank on Chinese ships coming out to meet you and escort you in. You never make a move without an escort, which is why we try to make some moves that are unpredictable to try to scrape off some escorts,” he said, adding that he tried to keep the carrier traveling at 25 knots or faster through the South China Sea to remain unpredictable.

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Whitesell said concerns about how the Osprey would fit on deck were addressed by alocatting additional hangar bay space.

“I have not heard any complaints from the flight deck crew or a handler" of the carrier-deployed CMV-22s, he said.

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There have been other concerns voiced about the CMV-22B’s suitability for the COD mission, too. We discussed these at length here, but they include a lack of cabin pressurization. Unless its passengers and crew are on oxygen, the Osprey has to fly at lower altitudes, and over long distances, at turboprop-like speeds. Being that its destination is usually far out to sea, that can include being forced to fly through highly inclement weather.

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In February, as the Navy announced the CMV-22B had obtained its IOC, Bloomberg News reported that the aircraft wasn’t yet “operationally suitable” because it has only “partially met reliability requirements,” the Pentagon’s testing office said in a non-public assessment. Among the problems was the CMV-22's ice protection system “accounted for 25% of the operational mission failures, which will result in mission aborts."

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Most critically, in its most compact configuration, the CMV-22B cannot move around under its own power.

BearsBearsBears posted:

gradenko_2000 posted:

I'm pretty sure I saw a design once for a mega battleship that used the Musashi and the Yamato as catamaran hulls with a gigantic carrier deck in between

Pomeroy posted:

Right, I'm saying that it's always repeated that the expectation of revolution in the most advanced countries is "orthodox" Marxism, and that it instead breaking out in the "weak links" proved Marx wrong, but even as early as the Manifesto he was speculating otherwise, and indeed that the historical logic of that speculation, if not its specific accuracy, was ultimately proved right.

DancingShade posted:

Way too small. It needs to be a tri carrier trimaran hull minimum with outer stabilisers that look like pre WW1 French hotel battleships.

It will have a fighter compliment of entirely F-19 stealth fighters.

Orange Devil posted:

Is it submersible?

More than once, I mean.

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1750121984049176773

the US is losing WW3

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1750121984049176773

the US is losing WW3

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1750121984049176773

the US is losing WW3

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1750121984049176773

the US is losing WW3

Zodium posted:

president xi, my name is little joseph. i am eighty one years old. please send chengdu j-20 multi-role stealth fighter

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1750121984049176773

the US is losing WW3

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1750121984049176773

the US is losing WW3

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1750121984049176773

Truga posted:

last week: china will fix this
this week: china please fix this
wonder what next week will bring

Skaffen-Amtiskaw posted:

Has anyone got a good book on updated Marxist theory? I was going to read all of Capital as I finished Fisher’s Capitalist Realism and wondered if there was a better core text now.

Skaffen-Amtiskaw posted:

Has anyone got a good book on updated Marxist theory? I was going to read all of Capital as I finished Fisher’s Capitalist Realism and wondered if there was a better core text now.

Also, lol at Biden.

Real hurthling! posted:

just to pull a cord?

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1750121984049176773

the US is losing WW3

BearsBearsBears posted:

If I worked in an office that used to have desktop computers (dedicated refueling aircraft), was complaining about not having desktop computers, needed to have desktop computers, was currently borrowing use of desktop computers from the Air Force, and planned to have desktop computers in the future then I would say that the office had a shortage of desktop computers. Dell laptops (Hornets) just aren't as good at doing some things as desktop computers are.

Helicopters are weird because they can be part of the carrier air wing but not actually physically be on the carrier itself. Lots of ships can host helicopters.

I haven't seen anything specific about making changes to the air wing for the Ford only. If you find an article about the specific configuration they want to have on the Ford then post it.

According the that same video it's currently(2020) 66 aircraft on the carrier plus 8 helicopters off the carrier. So that's still at least 2-12 more aircraft added to the complement.

and it's also sounding like a lot of the limitations are because the US simply can't manufacture enough aircraft rather than because there's not enough space on the carrier.

Here's an announcement from the Navy itself. Also from 2020 so this is probably the source.
https://seapowermagazine.org/navys-future-carrier-air-wing-configuration-coming-into-focus/

So that's between 68 to 80 aircraft that the Navy wants. 80 aircraft is right about what carriers used to carry during the cold war.

The other neat thing I found is this, the configuration of the Carl Vinson in 2021 on its first excursion with the F-35.
https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2021/september/air-wing-immediate-future


44 Fighters, 7 Growlers, 5 AWACs, 3 Ospreys, and 14 helicopters. Plus 6 more helicopters not on the carrier. So 73+6 total and this was larger than the usual loadout.

And I finally found this.
https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2022/02/14/three-takeaways-from-the-us-navys-first-f-35c-deployment/


They found space for more aircraft and the commander wants even more aircraft still.

Crew complained, obviously. Were then basically told to quite bitching.

That is probably the last word for me. A Rear Admiral that's actively commanding a carrier strike group with a larger than normal complement of aircraft is saying there should be even more aircraft on the carrier. The only person that would outrank that is the rubber-stamper for a secretly hospitalized Secretary of Defense.

Doesn't want less helicopters, despite the Navy's plans.

Real hurthling! posted:

middle management tbi-havers?
give them the red bag of courage

Frosted Flake posted:

I'm saving this.

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1750121984049176773

the US is losing WW3

Weka posted:

I think the fall of Rome is a pretty good example of the sort of worry Bill has put forward. Sure, it seems inevitable that the American empire will collapse, but this doesn't mean capitalism will end. At least in the west (where I am more familiar), the societies that came after Rome were a direct continuation of the late Western Roman system of government. Maybe America falls and China continues to use the capitalist mode of production. Obviously in the historical example there were differences in the political economies of Rome and its successor states and there would be in this example too. China will likely continue to exercise strong state control for instance. You can point to the TRPF, but nobody has really tried capitalism armed with marxist economics until now, so who knows what could be achieved that way.

Now I personally do not think this is what is going to happen, but it is a legitimate concern that as I understand it isn't really answered or answerable in the literature. Marx was wrong about where the revolution would come from and it is an open question if a society like China's that has gone from an agrarian one to one with a communist government can successfully transition to a communist mode of production.

The Roman Republic was an empire. Being an empire doesn't nessecitate having an emperor. It's about subject nations. Here is where the analogy breaks down though because America is extremely unlikely to have a 2000 year long empire.