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NotJustANumber99 posted:... Turn the sword 90 degrees even. That's still curved. 
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Jan 24, 2024 16:22
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Just saw the ends off, so they're under 50cm?
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Jan 24, 2024 16:45
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I have two katanas I bought in the USA (???) during my weird teenage weeb phase that are still at my parents house. One of them is blunted but the other could take someone's head off, and both are pointy enough to run someone through.* My mum put them in the loft I think and they're just sitting there so they're not going to do any harm but I imagine they're maybe quite illegal now. She's quite determined to get rid of them but I really want them kept though I don't really have anywhere to put them at the moment. *When I was like 15 my dad and I decided to throw apples at each other and try to slice them in half because we were very sensible and of course he lost his grip and sent the bloody thing spinning towards me. I had to jump out the way to avoid being hit but if I had been that would easily have been a trip to hospital at best. Got very lucky there. Though it would have been cool to be able to point to a scar and tell people it was a literal sword wound like some medieval mercenary.
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Jan 24, 2024 16:50
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ThomasPaine posted:My mum put them in the loft I think and they're just sitting there so they're not going to do any harm but I imagine they're maybe quite illegal now. And there are some exceptions, like you could possibly transport them if you were dressed in full samurai attire, but that's not going to help at all with people calling you a weeb. ThomasPaine posted:Though it would have been cool to be able to point to a scar and tell people it was a literal sword wound like some medieval mercenary. I wonder why it never took off in the UK, after Albert the Victorians loved Germanic-sounding poshboy nonsense like extremely decorated indoor trees, tin soldiers, and making up libels about Jews.
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Jan 24, 2024 17:00
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I thought I owned the normal number of swords, none, but based on responses here I'm starting to think maybe I'm the weird one.
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Jan 24, 2024 17:04
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Just a gurka knife. And a scythe.
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Jan 24, 2024 17:07
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Maugrim posted:From reading up it appears only two of my swords are illegal due to curved blades over 50cm, though that still leaves the question of how I'm supposed to get rid of them There's a defence to this which is that curved swords hand-made using traditional methods are not illegal. If the sword cost you over £100 it almost certainly qualifies as basically every single sword ever made from the present day back to the bronze age is hand-made using traditional methods. The only thing that would actually lie outside this would be some hyper-cheap piece of trash made by like, CNC machining a sheet of steel and then wrapping one end in paracord and grinding on an edge. Maybe some fantasy swords made by casting aluminium or steel. Casting is traditional for bronze age weaponry, though, so is casting later period metals traditional or non-traditional? A grey area. Basically if it looks like a regular sword and not something you'd use for a remarkably unsafe cosplay it's probably legal.
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Jan 24, 2024 17:10
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big scary monsters posted:I thought I owned the normal number of swords, none, but based on responses here I'm starting to think maybe I'm the weird one. And I'm pretty sure that I don't actually want one but it's hard to deny that it worked. If they ban machetes I'm not sure what the replacement would be for that case, because I'm pretty sure that anything that can delimb can also delimb to the point where it's a cliche as much as the 'ninja sword'. 
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Jan 24, 2024 17:14
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Oh I guess I do have a machete. That's a legitimate gardening tool though, officer.
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Jan 24, 2024 17:20
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Ms Adequate posted:E: ^ Well it's only the undead ones that are dangerous. Personally I'm more worried about vampire knives, and mummy knives are no joke either. Pirate cutlasses arr the menace aye am most worried about
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Jan 24, 2024 17:22
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I have to go to people's houses to chat to them for work sometimes and I once went to see a very nice, very eccentric posh old lady who had me sit in a room that could have been an arsenal - military relics all over the walls. In addition to the many medals and paintings and flags and whatnot there were also a lot of old officer swords and the like. I'm guessing her old dearly departed husband must have been an army guy lol. Tbh I always just assumed having these things was fine as long as you weren't wandering the streets with them.
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Jan 24, 2024 17:23
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I have a cheap and very poor quality rennaisance-style sidesword that hangs on my wall. Turns out hand-made using traditional methods doesn't mean well made using traditional methods! I also have a synthetic practice weapon, which is the fancy term for "adult sized toy sword". It's fun to swing around every now and then. Also, the sword is fun to swing too.
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Jan 24, 2024 17:26
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Guavanaut posted:If they ban machetes I'm not sure what the replacement would be for that case Billhook? Surely they will ban only one type at a time so you have the whole catalogue of halberds to go through before you run out of options.
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Jan 24, 2024 17:27
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Have it on good authority you can just stab someone with a screwdriver if you really want to.
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Jan 24, 2024 17:29
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Reveilled posted:There's a defence to this which is that curved swords hand-made using traditional methods are not illegal. If the sword cost you over £100 it almost certainly qualifies as basically every single sword ever made from the present day back to the bronze age is hand-made using traditional methods. Most of the cheap ones are probably cold stamped out of sheet metal in China, and quickly sharpened on a wheel. I suspect you would struggle to argue they are manufactured traditionally.
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Jan 24, 2024 17:29
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first they came for the Bohemian earspoon and I did not speak out glaive-guisarme gangs roaming are streets
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Jan 24, 2024 17:29
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Reveilled posted:I have a cheap and very poor quality rennaisance-style sidesword that hangs on my wall. Turns out hand-made using traditional methods doesn't mean well made using traditional methods! I made myself a seven foot walking stick for partly that reason. Yes it's also so I can get down hills while sparing my knees, but also it's fun to swing it around while wearing a cloak. You do have to do that outside mind, unless you live in a house with twelve foot ceilings.
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Jan 24, 2024 17:32
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OwlFancier posted:I made myself a seven foot walking stick for partly that reason. Yes it's also so I can get down hills while sparing my knees, but also it's fun to swing it around while wearing a cloak. You are Gandalf and I claim my £5.
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Jan 24, 2024 17:35
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:You are Gandalf and I claim my £5. I was more of a gandalf until i had to shave my beard off, now I'm more like 1970's porno gandalf.
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Jan 24, 2024 17:36
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Randy Gandolf.
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Jan 24, 2024 17:43
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Nenonen posted:Billhook? my brother has a woodmans pal which is basically the same thing I guess?
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Jan 24, 2024 17:44
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Honestly, if you want to feel like a Samurai, just get in to Japanese chefs knives. Less of a legal minefield and you can actual cut stuff with purpose. https://www.kitchenprovisions.co.uk/collections/knives-150-300/products/sakimaru-knife-shirogami-2-honyaki-mirror-finish-togashi-kenji (extreme example for sushi chefs...)
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Jan 24, 2024 17:45
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Similar yeah although bills can also come mounted on a long stick. For to prune tall branches, or nobility.
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Jan 24, 2024 17:46
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OwlFancier posted:Similar yeah although bills can also come mounted on a long stick.
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Jan 24, 2024 17:51
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keep punching joe posted:Have it on good authority you can just stab someone with a screwdriver if you really want to. Used to be a thing back in the Troubles when one was getting shot a week, prob still is, taxi drivers in NI would keep a long screwdriver handy in the door pocket, just in case. And don't need a screwdirver, carry around those gel pens with the metal tips, can definitely puncture a hole in someones throat if you are attacked.
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Jan 24, 2024 18:03
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Pablo Bluth posted:There's a bbc 4 documentary, Handmade in Japan: Samurai Sword, that showed the creation of a katana by a long running family business that is worth tracking down. Hot forging, the dipping in water to cause the curved blade and the slow hand sharpening on whetstones. They cost at minimum thousands of pounds but the most exclusive are considerably more costly and I recall basically impossible to export from Japan (there's a limited supply and culturally they want to keep them ) Well, as I mentioned in the post you quoted, stamping it out of sheet metal would lie outside of traditional methods. But it's important to remember that manufacturers like the one in the documentary are making extremely high quality items, and it was not the case historically that only high quality items were made. For example, in 16th century Japan, Hideyoshi ordered a "sword hunt" where his men scoured japan seeking out and confiscating weapons from peasants and his enemies to stop them rising up against him. The sword of a peasant rebel is not necessarily going to be made to the same high standard as one made by a swordsmith prominent enough to get a BBC 4 documentary. And even officially issued weapons could be of varying price and quality--if you're the Ming emperor and need to procure 100,000 swords, you're probably not getting them from the chinese equivalent of the BBC4 guy. In the modern day, this is also true. That's why I mentioned the ~£100 price point--if it's more than £100, chances are it's made with traditional methods, because the traditional methods have been refined over thousands of years to make weapon manufacture quick and cheap. It's not going to be painstakingly made by one single person who sees it from billet of steel to finished product, but that wasn't true for the vast majority of swords at any point in history.
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Jan 24, 2024 18:08
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Don't forget, if you pulled your sword out of a stone then you might be king actually. Or maybe Queen. Or perhaps just Monarch will do. Monarch butterfly. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Jan 24, 2024 |
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Jan 24, 2024 18:18
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I think my favourite bit of historical weapon quality trivia is the period when China was under embargo in the early 20th century, so getting your hands on firearms was quite difficult, so some of the the local warlords would have whoever they could get their hands on, stamp out copies of early 20th century automatic pistols. So hand made using whatever tools they could get a hold of, but by people who had probably never even seen an automatic pistol before because they had only been invented at the turn of the century. Obviously very skilled at metalwork but working without the right tools or materials or a theoretical understanding of the mechanics behind the thing they're making. Some of them are very impressive in how close they look, and some of them just have loads of random english words stamped all over them to make them look extra legit. And god only knows if they would fire without blowing up in your hand.
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Jan 24, 2024 18:19
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Hopefully this works.. My dad got me this for my 54th birthday, not sure what he's trying to say but it is cool. *edit* didn't work so heres the link. https://imgur.com/a/H2ae4KY
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Jan 24, 2024 18:21
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OwlFancier posted:Obviously very skilled at metalwork but working without the right tools or materials or a theoretical understanding of the mechanics behind the thing they're making.
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Jan 24, 2024 18:22
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Has there been case law on where they define "traditional"? I think it's clear that "traditional" is being used as a proxy for expensive, to block anything that could be affordable by "gangs and youths". How cheap can you get a modern katana that has been shaped exclusively by forging/hammering?
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Jan 24, 2024 18:23
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Less than 2 years ago some guy killed Shinzo Abe with a gun he MacGuyvered from old science fair projects, and killed him so hard that they're disbanding the Abe branch of his family and probably the entire Moonie cult. If you wanna do some killing you can find a way
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Jan 24, 2024 18:24
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Failed Imagineer posted:If you wanna do some killing you can elect a Tory Government for 14 years.
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Jan 24, 2024 18:29
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No! Not like that!
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Jan 24, 2024 18:30
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Nice to see the thread Studying the Blade today
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Jan 24, 2024 18:32
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OwlFancier posted:I think my favourite bit of historical weapon quality trivia is the period when China was under embargo in the early 20th century, so getting your hands on firearms was quite difficult, so some of the the local warlords would have whoever they could get their hands on, stamp out copies of early 20th century automatic pistols. So hand made using whatever tools they could get a hold of, but by people who had probably never even seen an automatic pistol before because they had only been invented at the turn of the century. Obviously very skilled at metalwork but working without the right tools or materials or a theoretical understanding of the mechanics behind the thing they're making.  Cargo Colts
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Jan 24, 2024 18:32
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Darth Walrus posted:The amusing thing about 'ninja swords' is that, like most pieces of ninja lore, they started out as theatre props. Real ninjas did exist, but they either used simple peasant weapons or the standard military weapons of the samurai clans (because the most prominent ninja organisations literally were just samurai clans who specialised in asymmetrical warfare and sold their services to any interested warlords). Easily-identifiable specialist equipment like their own special swords would go against the whole point of having anonymous spies and saboteurs. Ninjato, the straight shortswords associated with ninjas in more modern works, appear to have been completely fictional, and based on misdrawings of samurai wakizashi (the shortswords the samurai caste used as sidearms, which were both practical and readily-available for real ninjas).
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Jan 24, 2024 18:35
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Pablo Bluth posted:Has there been case law on where they define "traditional"? I think it's clear that "traditional" is being used as a proxy for expensive, to block anything that could be affordable by "gangs and youths". How cheap can you get a modern katana that has been shaped exclusively by forging/hammering? You can get a katana from Hanwei for about £200. https://www.theknightshop.com/practical-katana Hanwei's one of the "budget" sword manufacturers, it's based out of China (others are based out of India). Katanas tend to be a bit more expensive than other budget swords because there's a certain type of nerd who'll pay a premium for specifically Japanese stuff. I don't know there's been any specific case law on the definition of "traditional", I agree that when the legislation was being drawn up the lawmakers probably didn't really know what they meant by it, but generally the police and customs seem to agree that blades like these meet the legal definition. Trainee PornStar posted:Hopefully this works..  Here it is linked inline, looks like a Tod Cutler piece!
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Jan 24, 2024 18:36
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big scary monsters posted:I thought I owned the normal number of swords, none, but based on responses here I'm starting to think maybe I'm the weird one. not empty-quoting
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Jan 24, 2024 18:40
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Reveilled posted:You can get a katana from Hanwei for about £200. He bought it from Tod's Workshop so I guess thats the same guy. It's got a blunt edge but is still pretty pointy.
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Jan 24, 2024 18:41
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