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psydude posted:Wouldn't building more apartments, particularly mixed income apartments, help address the waiting list issue you mentioned? its actually quite a few apt complexes in the area. this whole area was planned out as far back as the early 80s, my aunt did some of the title work for the area. this is in the east bay. housing and rent prices have been absolutely nuts here for a very long time
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ded posted:the area i live is a giant planned community full of houses. there are some low income apartments as well as "regular" priced ones along side vast tracks of single family homes and schools that go from kindergarten to community college. For build more houses not to be the answer, there would have to be a low occupancy rate in the area. It does not sound like this is the case.
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Mustang posted:Looks like the Texas National Guard is defying the supreme court and not letting the border patrol remote the razor wire as ordered. biden is trying to be decorum when he shouldn't
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lightpole posted:For build more houses not to be the answer, there would have to be a low occupancy rate in the area. It does not sound like this is the case. cant build more in an area that is covered in housing already. this whole area has no open land that can be built on anymore.
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ded posted:cant build more in an area that is covered in housing already. this whole area has no open land that can be built on anymore. change the zoning on areas with density restrictions I lived in the south bay for a while, and the NIMBY poo poo there was horrific
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ded posted:cant build more in an area that is covered in housing already. this whole area has no open land that can be built on anymore. Brownfield development is still an option. As the poster above me mentioned, it's usually a zoning issue. In most places, if you want to build or modify to more than a duplex or triplex, you have to get a variance for multi-family housing unless it was already zoned in certain ways (even most residential zoning doesn't permit multi-family) and a lot of land that's ideal for brownfield development is zoned for light industrial or commercial instead of residential/mixed use. And as you can imagine, there's a million ways for people to stop this or delay it to the point of oblivion. psydude fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Jan 24, 2024 |
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ded posted:cant build more in an area that is covered in housing already. this whole area has no open land that can be built on anymore. I live in the east bay. This town has barely built housing in the last 20 years, the population is flat or declining, the city budget is in the red. There is some amount of room to build on ag land under consideration but thats not the only option. Increasing housing density, building up, is also viable and a much better use of resources. Its greener and I would like the increased walkability it would bring. The city is hollowness out because boomers don't want to move, young families have no option to move in. Rent control and affordable housing are terrible ways to deal with this. It just means people do everything they can to stay where they are and won't move across the bay for work because losing that perfect landlord or rent controlled place and jumping up to market rate is so extreme. They also don't allow for others to move in which limit opportunity and growth. Building more housing is the only solution.
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McNally posted:How so? Is housing somehow not a factor in cost of living? it misattributes the reason for the price of housing to a vague factor, "the economy" instead of the actual problem "policy choices which limit new housing" ded posted:cant build more in an area that is covered in housing already. this whole area has no open land that can be built on anymore. sf has less than 2/3rds the population density of NYC, less than half that of paris. pedestrian effort
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"build more housing" only works if you are specifically enforcing building cheap, low-income housing, because any developer is going to opt for making "luxury" homes they can sell for way more. and even if the housing sits empty, who cares? it costs you basically nothing and you can make it up in volume from people who can afford it living in henderson, a ton of new housing was going up constantly -- there were multiple new apartment complexes within a single mile of where we lived, and multiple new housing developments -- and that didn't stop our rent from climbing from 1250 to 2000 in the six years we lived there fixing this issue requires a lot more than just one thing, and it's part of why things are so hosed; no single solution is going to adequately handle it without support from other initiatives. (edit: to be clear, i lived next to a bunch of underdeveloped desert lots on hills and poo poo, and the city has been increasingly branching out around the edges to build more)
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Mustang posted:Looks like the Texas National Guard is defying the supreme court and not letting the border patrol remote the razor wire as ordered. Pull an Abe Lincoln, board a gunship, and go down there to lead from the front.
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hypnophant posted:it misattributes the reason for the price of housing to a vague factor, "the economy" instead of the actual problem "policy choices which limit new housing" Please point to where I said "the economy." What I actually said was "this cannot be attributed 100% to politics."
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McNally posted:Please point to where I said "the economy." I think it would be more accurate to say it can't be attributed 100% to national politics, since it's mostly hyper-local politics that's responsible (and partly lack of state and national correction).
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McNally posted:Please point to where I said "the economy." McNally posted:How so? Is housing somehow not a factor in cost of living? if by "cost of living" you meant something other than "inflation," the economic topic which was being discussed, i misread you
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I think the problem here is that I should not be having grown up conversations when my brain is fried. Never mind me lol
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lightpole posted:Rent control and affordable housing are terrible ways to deal with this. It just means people do everything they can to stay where they are and won't move across the bay for work because losing that perfect landlord or rent controlled place and jumping up to market rate is so extreme. That just means that you need rent control across the bay, too.
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Mustang posted:Looks like the Texas National Guard is defying the supreme court and not letting the border patrol remote the razor wire as ordered. Aside from decorum stuff, the minute Biden nationalizes the Texas NG, the border bill discussion ongoing in Congress is toast. That also nukes Ukraine/Taiwan/Israel funding. Also highly possible Abbott is just bleating with his invasion letter bullshit and quietly going along otherwise. It's really difficult to figure out with neutral sources as it's a thoroughly chudified issue.
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People actually think the House GOP is "negotiating" in good faith? They don't want a border bill. They've said as much themselves. Can't give Biden a "win". Nationalize the Texas NG and put the chuds in their place.
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Mustang posted:People actually think the House GOP is "negotiating" in good faith? They don't want a border bill. They've said as much themselves. Can't give Biden a "win". It's been a while since junior high Texas History, but isn't there a Texas State Guard that specifically exists to be activated if the TX NG gets federalized? Would Abbott try to pull that thread?
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Mustang posted:People actually think the House GOP is "negotiating" in good faith? They don't want a border bill. They've said as much themselves. Can't give Biden a "win". It's extremely unclear at this point. There's no "they" in the Congressional GOP right now. The Senate GOP is splintering on the topic. The House is still irrevocably hosed and has just as many "gotta do something on border" chuds than "no win for Biden" chuds. Public opinion polls are on the GOP's side on immigration because the racism dial worked. So probable goal is to let the bill play out for another week because bill text is apparently done and they're just looking for money. Bill passes - Biden wins normies. Bill implodes on its own - Biden wins normies, he tried. Bill passes Senate, dies in house, Biden wins normies, he tried. Biden nationalizes TX Guard and Bill immediately implodes - Biden blamed. Also this is the only real route for Ukraine funding left because the House GOP doesn't want to make Donnie mad.
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*shrug* Every election is a new election. Maybe Trump will mock the right kind disabled person in the next few months and grab 30 points. I just think feeling confident is a poor excuse not to vote or to think your vote doesn’t matter. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Jan 24, 2024 |
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So, something I am completely unqualified to discuss but I will ask anyway, people keep saying the solution is to build more housing but thinking longer term should we, being the government I guess, be incentivizing businesses to move out of these major hubs? NYC isn't getting any bigger and what happens when the next super storm wipes it off the map? Maybe we should try spreading the work and thus housing around? I don't know how to do that other than incentivizing it with tax breaks or something. Other than that, with the advent of the internet perhaps a national telework policy could help people move out of these high density, high price areas? I also think this could help with climate change but that's another discussion. FWIW I live 40 miles west of NYC in NJ and it's cheaper to buy a house than rent. But I don't have the credit so I overpay for my lovely apartment. Housing is easily the best scam out there today. Maybe it always was, I don't know. Whenever I read financial advice it's always "get into real estate lol" like buddy if only you knew. Also, gimme an extra sweet and sour sauce.
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Tiny Timbs posted:*shrug* Every election is a new election. Maybe Trump will mock the right kind disabled person in the next few months and grab 30 points. There is literally nothing trump could do to win DC's electoral votes.
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facialimpediment posted:It's extremely unclear at this point. There's no "they" in the Congressional GOP right now. The Senate GOP is splintering on the topic. The House is still irrevocably hosed and has just as many "gotta do something on border" chuds than "no win for Biden" chuds. Public opinion polls are on the GOP's side on immigration because the racism dial worked. nm this is probably all hosed now https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1750292464689185197?t=i6VtGktXPYFFpBeQ66oTMg&s=19
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Wrong Theory posted:So, something I am completely unqualified to discuss but I will ask anyway, people keep saying the solution is to build more housing but thinking longer term should we, being the government I guess, be incentivizing businesses to move out of these major hubs? NYC isn't getting any bigger and what happens when the next super storm wipes it off the map? Maybe we should try spreading the work and thus housing around? I don't know how to do that other than incentivizing it with tax breaks or something. High density is greener. Goods and services are easier to provide when people are in a compact area. Sprawl takes out land that should be used for other purposes, either ag or natural wilderness. There are downsides, such as if these complex systems like food distribution break down. The complex things that make NY or SF desirable areas are hard to replicate. They contain world class universities, art and cultural institutions, well paying jobs, and network effects from different businesses and institutions. Replicating these have proved to be extremely difficult. The lack of affordable housing for those that want to move in and enjoy all those benefits is a constant drag on growth and prospects, forcing companies and individuals to go to less desirable places.
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hobbesmaster posted:https://twitter.com/usainuk/status/1750136728034169147?s=46 I know it's from the last page, but Clinton and Biden dissolved the agency that could spare us from this specific travesty. https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...itation-for-the
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Zamujasa posted:"build more housing" only works if you are specifically enforcing building cheap, low-income housing, because any developer is going to opt for making "luxury" homes they can sell for way more. and even if the housing sits empty, who cares? it costs you basically nothing and you can make it up in volume from people who can afford it This is overly simplistic, but I'm struggling to understand why government built and maintained housing that meets some minimum standard and rents out at some multiple of minimum wage isn't the solution here. Create a minimum affordable standard while still maintaining the private market for everyone else. Same deal, why isn't there a permanent WPA that provides a decent wage and benefits for anyone who wants to sign up? $20ish/hr for entry level manual, clerical, etc work that's always hiring. If a private company wants to hire successfully, they're going to need to create jobs that are more productive than that basic standard.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:This is overly simplistic, but I'm struggling to understand why government built and maintained housing that meets some minimum standard and rents out at some multiple of minimum wage isn't the solution here. Create a minimum affordable standard while still maintaining the private market for everyone else.
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Tiny Timbs posted:*shrug* Every election is a new election. Maybe Trump will mock the right kind disabled person in the next few months and grab 30 points. I research and pay attention to every down-ballot candidate and initiative because that’s the stuff that makes the most difference in my daily life. But dude, it’s DC. Despite having more people than some states, we don’t have senators or a representative. There’s a reason why our license plates say “taxation without representation” on them. AreWeDrunkYet posted:This is overly simplistic, but I'm struggling to understand why government built and maintained housing that meets some minimum standard and rents out at some multiple of minimum wage isn't the solution here. Create a minimum affordable standard while still maintaining the private market for everyone else. ~my property values~ quote:Same deal, why isn't there a permanent WPA that provides a decent wage and benefits for anyone who wants to sign up? $20ish/hr for entry level manual, clerical, etc work that's always hiring. If a private company wants to hire successfully, they're going to need to create jobs that are more productive than that basic standard. ~my tax dollars~ These things are obviously good ideas and a just society should implement them, but we’ve had 40+ years of right-wing programming that no one can benefit without someone else losing, and that someone is always you no matter whether you’d something from a program.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:This is overly simplistic, but I'm struggling to understand why government built and maintained housing that meets some minimum standard and rents out at some multiple of minimum wage isn't the solution here. The Republican Party.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:This is overly simplistic, but I'm struggling to understand why government built and maintained housing that meets some minimum standard and rents out at some multiple of minimum wage isn't the solution here. Create a minimum affordable standard while still maintaining the private market for everyone else. Ideally you would want lots of both public and private housing (edit: UK was doing well when it had both, while Soviet Union could never keep up with public construction only even though it's one of the areas where they actually put in an effort).... but public housing costs $$$. Whether getting support for that or for breaking down the broken system where we artificially limit supply to enrich existing home owners would be easier is a subject for debate. (Also concentration of poverty sucks; percent of affordable set aside for construction is probably better than apartments-just-for-poor-people).
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my old county just sent me a vote by mail kit, despite changing my residence in the last year. oh wow, this is it, I'm going to be one of those voter fraud doing leftists! j/k gonna call them and let them know the error and shred the documents they sent 
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facialimpediment posted:nm this is probably all hosed now I guess moscow mitch is trying to shed the nickname.
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Midjack posted:I guess moscow mitch is trying to shed the nickname. McConnell has legitimately been Ukraine's champion on the GOP side. He won't shut up about how the money doesn't go to Ukraine, but rather domestic arms producers as America just offloads excess stuff and buys new. And so on so forth. But nobody's listening to him anymore on the GOP side, so it's basically over for border adjustments or Ukraine funding. Donnie would rather run on it all being hosed.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:This is overly simplistic, but I'm struggling to understand why government built and maintained housing that meets some minimum standard and rents out at some multiple of minimum wage isn't the solution here. Create a minimum affordable standard while still maintaining the private market for everyone else. If you could ever get past the socialism aspect public housing would be my preferred method. You are also talking about an actual minimum wage, there's no real need for government jobs to take the place. Increases to it were delayed at each recession we've had because the poor business owners would have to close up shop and wouldn't be able to stand the shock. Same for any catchup during recoveries, we can't just jump up to where that wage should be, businesses would never stand the shock etc. I think UBI is gaining traction among economists as well.
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lightpole posted:UBI is gaining traction among economists That’s the most damning indictment I’ve ever heard of it.
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lightpole posted:He did this and it was struck down. This is rather telling in how even the good stuff he has tried or even gotten through is largely forgotten, poo poo'd for not going far enough, or just flat out ignored. Afaik there was the rollout for a 1 time 10k forgiveness which was shot down, did Biden have something on loan forgiveness beyond that and the pause on repayments? Was there something to try to block interest being charged on federal student loans? Liz Warren had argued for it for years and dropped it before her initial campaign run and I haven't heard of anyone arguing for it since. If you couldn't sell debt forgiveness, even partial, then loan interest on fed loans seems something pretty straightforward that could be negotiated and no one seems to push for anymore.
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Platystemon posted:That’s the most damning indictment I’ve ever heard of it. This is why we can't have nice things. That Works posted:Afaik there was the rollout for a 1 time 10k forgiveness which was shot down, did Biden have something on loan forgiveness beyond that and the pause on repayments? The interest rate and debt repayment pause was taken out by the legislature I believe and the 10/20k forgiveness was struck down by the court.
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