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ImpAtom: May 24, 2007

Professor Beetus posted:

It just seems like a weird bit of shade to throw. "Don't congratulate them too hard, they had a lot of advantages"

Like a chunky RPG like that becoming a mega hit in 2023 is a pretty big accomplishment regardless of what they had going for them.

I think it makes more sense in the context of "Why isn't EVERYONE making a BG3, it's clearly so easy and it must be lazy devs" which was going around at the time. It's a big accomplishment for sure and they deserve every bit of praise they get, but it's also fair to say it wasn't just a TRY HARDER, LAZY DEVS thing, especially since BG3 also happened to get lucky with its timing. Like Rogue Trader didn't do BG3 numbers but that doesn't make it a half-assed game.

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# ? Jan 24, 2024 23:58

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A DICE dev tweeting about how not to expect good games from them in the future is funny, and a Naughty Dog dev tweeting that work is hard so the new popular game must have cheated is hilarious.

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ImpAtom posted:

I think it makes more sense in the context of "Why isn't EVERYONE making a BG3, it's clearly so easy and it must be lazy devs" which was going around at the time. It's a big accomplishment for sure and they deserve every bit of praise they get, but it's also fair to say it wasn't just a TRY HARDER, LAZY DEVS thing, especially since BG3 also happened to get lucky with its timing. Like Rogue Trader didn't do BG3 numbers but that doesn't make it a half-assed game.

I think it's fair to point that criticism at big publishers with massive devs like EA, Ubi, Actiblizz, etc, because they've been so focused on gaas, monetization, and pumping out mediocre garbage that it's no wonder something like BG3 was a huge hit. There's no reason any of those publishers couldn't have put out something like that that would have been hugely successful, they just didn't bother because it's apparently more profitable to turn full priced games into monetization schemes that make anime titty gachas blush

e: just look at the poo poo that happened to mass effect andromeda, and how they decided to ignore the things people loved about the franchise to make a bunch of bland Ubisoft style maps filled with repetitive poo poo

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unattended spaghetti: May 10, 2013

Professor Beetus posted:

I think it's fair to point that criticism at big publishers with massive devs like EA, Ubi, Actiblizz, etc, because they've been so focused on gaas, monetization, and pumping out mediocre garbage that it's no wonder something like BG3 was a huge hit. There's no reason any of those publishers couldn't have put out something like that that would have been hugely successful, they just didn't bother because it's apparently more profitable to turn full priced games into monetization schemes that make anime titty gachas blush

e: just look at the poo poo that happened to mass effect andromeda, and how they decided to ignore the things people loved about the franchise to make a bunch of bland Ubisoft style maps filled with repetitive poo poo

This is all true but I'd also add on that I think a lot of developers skip a lot of ideas and concepts from the jump because they confuse impractical with impossible. Not knocking them for that but to some folks maybe Larian betting the farm on lots of easily missed content and implementing the vast majority of phb spells and bespoke casting animations and attack animations per race and implementing fail safe replacement npcs when players kill poo poo and on and on might feel like some kinda mic drop. Though if you paid any attention to their pre release messaging they were pretty dang humble about their work.

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webmeister: Jan 31, 2007; The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.

Honestly, Bethesda had 4/5 points on his list with Starfield and look how well that turned out.

(Yes it�s a new IP so point 5 doesn�t apply, but I also strongly disagree that D&D is a huge mainstream brand - imo the �Bethesda� brand of �the Skyrim and Fallout guys� is probably on par)

edit; and you could even argue that so many big games launch in a lovely broken state, that a lot of publishers are expecting us to pay full price for early access anyway

# ? Jan 25, 2024 00:16

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webmeister posted:

Honestly, Bethesda had 4/5 points on his list with Starfield and look how well that turned out.

(Yes it’s a new IP so point 5 doesn’t apply, but I also strongly disagree that D&D is a huge mainstream brand - imo the “Bethesda” brand of “the Skyrim and Fallout guys” is probably on par)

edit; and you could even argue that so many big games launch in a lovely broken state, that a lot of publishers are expecting us to pay full price for early access anyway

I think you could make a fair point that post COVID and the success of stuff like critical role and d20 and general "nerd" culture, as well as a big budget movie starting Chris Pine, Michelle Rodriguez, and Hugh Grant, that D&D has become mainstream, even if not "huge"

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Professor Beetus posted:

I think you could make a fair point that post COVID and the success of stuff like critical role and d20 and general "nerd" culture, as well as a big budget movie starting Chris Pine, Michelle Rodriguez, and Hugh Grant, that D&D has become mainstream, even if not "huge"

I don't buy this at all. If this is to believed it would have exploded when Stranger Things season 2 came out. And the DnD movie seems to generally accepted as good but looks as though to not really performed well at the box office that well. It cost 150 million and made 200 million domestically, by all modern accounts, a flop

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Critical Role was successful in at least bringing more awareness of tabletop to a wider gaming audience, but I think BG3's success ultimately has much less to do with the popularity of D&D so much as the popularity of high production value, reactive, immersive RPGs that were largely abandoned by Bioware et al for the past decade.

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Toaster Beef: Jan 23, 2007; that's not nature's way

I guess it depends on your definition of 'mainstream.' Is it infinitely more popular now than it was ten years ago thanks to the enormity of, among other things, Stranger Things, the Adventure Zone, Critical Role, and Dimension 20 (to say nothing of the immense rise in tabletop gaming among millennials)? Yes. It's popular to the point where it may be considered laughable to call it niche. That said: Has it infiltrated to the same extent as, say, Game of Thrones? Nah. But if that's your benchmark for mainstream appeal, I think you're missing out on a bunch of smaller-but-still-big things.

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I haven�t kept track of the faux controversy, so I�m enjoying Palworld on my Series X.

E:I haven�t noticed any frame rate issues at all, so I�m hoping that�s because the game is running on a system that does twelve trillion calculations per second.

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Oxxidation: Jul 22, 2007

FireWorksWell posted:

E: f,b. I forgot that he deleted it, must be working on a remake of it

between this and guerilla games throwing a hissy fit over elden ring, it hasn't been a great showing from sony's pet studios

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tango alpha delta posted:

I haven�t kept track of the faux controversy, so I�m enjoying Palworld on my Series X.

The controversy just seems to be a bunch of people mad that they didnt think to make a pokemon clone not on nintendo first.

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Barudak: May 7, 2007

Seltzer posted:

The controversy just seems to be a bunch of people mad that they didnt think to make a pokemon clone not on nintendo first.

Well, specifically one that wasnt just a straight clone except for people who thought pokemon was too easy.

# ? Jan 25, 2024 01:11

rope kid: Feb 3, 2001; Warte nur! Balde
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welcome posted:

A DICE dev tweeting about how not to expect good games from them in the future is funny,

Xalavier is going to be at the DICE conference. AFAIK he doesn't work for DICE or any big company. He's almost entirely done small team indie work.

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welcome: Jun 28, 2002; rail slut

That's less funny.

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otter: Jul 23, 2007; Ask me about my XCOM and controller collection

word.

Beastie posted:

I don't buy this at all. If this is to believed it would have exploded when Stranger Things season 2 came out. And the DnD movie seems to generally accepted as good but looks as though to not really performed well at the box office that well. It cost 150 million and made 200 million domestically, by all modern accounts, a flop

It was a fun popcorn movie. My kids loved it. Being "a flop" is also hollywood math doing it's thing to minimize the profit they have to pay out on. Bonus points for the movie in that it was written by the main character kid from Freaks and Geeks who also wrote Horrible Bosses and is allegedly working on M.A.S.K.

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I really enjoyed the D&D movie it was dumb fun and captured a tabletop campaign really well. Funny meta element to it.

# ? Jan 25, 2024 01:37

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JBP posted:

I really enjoyed the D&D movie it was dumb fun and captured a tabletop campaign really well. Funny meta element to it.

The one thing I wish it had was a "arguing in front of the monster" bit.

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I said come in!: Jun 22, 2004

rope kid posted:

Xalavier is going to be at the DICE conference. AFAIK he doesn't work for DICE or any big company. He's almost entirely done small team indie work.

Rope Kid, I really need avowed to be awesome. It looks like it will be though.

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Beastie: Nov 3, 2006; They used to call me tricky-kid, I lived the life they wish they did.

otter posted:

It was a fun popcorn movie. My kids loved it. Being "a flop" is also hollywood math doing it's thing to minimize the profit they have to pay out on. Bonus points for the movie in that it was written by the main character kid from Freaks and Geeks who also wrote Horrible Bosses and is allegedly working on M.A.S.K.

I was using it to highlight my point that this movie wasn't a huge release and probably attracted no one who was not already very familiar with the IP. It got a lot of hype in the online nerd circles but I nobody I know in the real world saw it or knew about it.

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Laserface: Dec 24, 2004

Palworld is kinda neat but the world will be better off when games stop adding crafting in place of actual mechanics and gameplay.

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syntaxfunction: Oct 27, 2010

People loving love crafting tho. I'm not sure why, but you add some crafting, maybe just like basic buildings even, to a game and people go apeshit way harder than without it.

Like if they added crafting and base building to Firewatch of all games I reckon people would lose the poo poo over it.

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Haptical Sales Slut: Mar 15, 2010; Age 18 to 49

The dunkey review showed the resource grind to get a gun and it looks like Minecraft nonsense.

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Martman: Nov 20, 2006

Palworld is a perfect game pass game. I want to try it but I know I'd be pissed if I paid for it.

I wonder how much Microsoft paid for it, wouldn't this agreement have been made long before people thought it would be a hit?

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Barudak: May 7, 2007

syntaxfunction posted:

People loving love crafting tho. I'm not sure why, but you add some crafting, maybe just like basic buildings even, to a game and people go apeshit way harder than without it.

Like if they added crafting and base building to Firewatch of all games I reckon people would lose the poo poo over it.

Every smash hit crafting game is a reminder there are tons of gamers who love things that actively push me out of a game.

Martman posted:

Palworld is a perfect game pass game. I want to try it but I know I'd be pissed if I paid for it.

I wonder how much Microsoft paid for it, wouldn't this agreement have been made long before people thought it would be a hit?

Yeah deal was inked a while ago, so presumably way before anybody knew it would be this big

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hatty: Feb 28, 2011; Pork Pro

I hate base building on a cellular level I think. In minecraft I build a small house in a tree or something and thats it. Dont want to have to worry about meters and defense levels and stuff while exploring a cool cave

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Douche4Sale: May 8, 2003; ...and then God said, "Let there be douche!"

Does palworld do split screen like Minecraft too? Or is that something planned to be added later? I think it might be amusing to mess around in with my kids, but not if we have to be on different systems.

# ? Jan 25, 2024 03:28

Professor Beetus: Apr 12, 2007; They can fight us
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Beastie posted:

I was using it to highlight my point that this movie wasn't a huge release and probably attracted no one who was not already very familiar with the IP. It got a lot of hype in the online nerd circles but I nobody I know in the real world saw it or knew about it.

Which sucks because it was a really fun movie and should have had pretty widespread appeal. Chris Pine is a national treasure.

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Laserface: Dec 24, 2004

Douche4Sale posted:

Does palworld do split screen like Minecraft too? Or is that something planned to be added later? I think it might be amusing to mess around in with my kids, but not if we have to be on different systems.

It runs like poo poo on my series X so I'm guessing split screen isn't gonna be great if it's there at all.

# ? Jan 25, 2024 05:21

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Professor Beetus posted:

Which sucks because it was a really fun movie and should have had pretty widespread appeal. Chris Pine is a national treasure.

One of the funniest movies I've seen in recent years.

Chris Pine is the best Chris of all the Hollywood Chrisses.

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FireWorksWell posted:

E: f,b. I forgot that he deleted it, must be working on a remake of it

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glassyalabolas: Oct 21, 2006; I want to bowl with the gangsters...

https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/25/24049050/microsoft-activision-blizzard-layoffs

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Thanks a lot Phil!

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Quantum of Phallus: Dec 27, 2010

lazy devs shown the door

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ZeeBoi: Jan 17, 2001

3 trillion dollar company

# ? Jan 25, 2024 15:28

ImpAtom: May 24, 2007

glassyalabolas posted:

https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/25/24049050/microsoft-activision-blizzard-layoffs

Bobby Kotek got his golden parachute so gently caress all y'all.

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