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Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA

Wrong Theory posted:

NYC isn't getting any bigger and what happens when the next super storm wipes it off the map?
NYC "not getting any bigger" is a policy decision: significant portions of the city proper remain low to medium density and could easily balloon to accommodate more neighbors if regressive zoning laws and weaponized "historical preservation" were taken off the table. As for super storms, NYC is hardly first among those most at risk. If nothing else, the sheer concentration of people and thus funds makes feasible engineering projects to mitigate the risks.

Wrong Theory posted:

Maybe we should try spreading the work and thus housing around? I don't know how to do that other than incentivizing it with tax breaks or something.
Forum bogeyman Matt Yglesias wrote strongly in favor of this in his last book. While I do agree in principle, I'm more skeptical of the political feasibility of the intervention in practice. There's just so much that would have to go into creating the incentives for business and skilled workers to shift and a lot of the left might take understandable issue with these handouts, even if the ostensible end goal is lift up a broader set of Americans by rebalancing our engines of economic opportunity.

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AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

While we’re on the topic of naked socialism, it’s such a shame that there isn’t a pipeline for people trained on nuclear subs to build and operate nationalized nuclear power plants across the country. Jobs program, lower power costs, and climate change mitigation all wrapped up in one painfully obvious policy.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

That Works posted:

Afaik there was the rollout for a 1 time 10k forgiveness which was shot down, did Biden have something on loan forgiveness beyond that and the pause on repayments?

Was there something to try to block interest being charged on federal student loans? Liz Warren had argued for it for years and dropped it before her initial campaign run and I haven't heard of anyone arguing for it since. If you couldn't sell debt forgiveness, even partial, then loan interest on fed loans seems something pretty straightforward that could be negotiated and no one seems to push for anymore.

Partially for people qualified for income-based repayment plan -- as posted earlier:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...s-of-borrowers/
(It's especially impactful if you consider the forgiveness aspects of the plan).

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
In today's edition of VOTERS!

https://twitter.com/mikememoli/status/1750330936405709083?t=tZ0KvDUGIS_SpFhPGHmlxQ&s=19

And The Future Of The Democratic Party RFKJR got 435

pseudosavior
Apr 14, 2006

Don't you do cocaine at ME,
you son of a bitch!
For a beautiful second, I forgot about rfk jr's existence and thought a key-smash managed to somehow acquire triple digit votes.

Wrong Theory
Aug 27, 2005

Satellite from days of old, lead me to your access code

pseudosavior posted:

For a beautiful second, I forgot about rfk jr's existence and thought a key-smash managed to somehow acquire triple digit votes.

Don't blame me, I voted for asdfgh.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

facialimpediment posted:

And The Future Of The Democratic Party RFKJR got 435

One from every Representative.

That’s all he needs. :smugdon:

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

pantslesswithwolves posted:

UBI really is something we need to consider because AI is going to go after traditional office type jobs the way automation went after manufacturing.

Most likely all the jobs that get taken over by AI will end up returning a few months later as jobs correcting AI mistakes. And nothing will be learned by anyone.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

Cugel the Clever posted:

Forum bogeyman Matt Yglesias wrote strongly in favor of this in his last book. While I do agree in principle, I'm more skeptical of the political feasibility of the intervention in practice. There's just so much that would have to go into creating the incentives for business and skilled workers to shift and a lot of the left might take understandable issue with these handouts, even if the ostensible end goal is lift up a broader set of Americans by rebalancing our engines of economic opportunity.

we could just go full soviet union and say "this is the town that produces X. you wanna work in X you gotta live here. also you may not get a choice, we may just decide you work in X and ship you off somewhere"

sucks for you if you live in the town that exclusively produces the entire national supply of chemical weapons

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

OddObserver posted:

Ideally you would want lots of both public and private housing (edit: UK was doing well when it had both, while Soviet Union could never keep up with public construction only even though it's one of the areas where they actually put in an effort).... but public housing costs $$$. Whether getting support for that or for breaking down the broken system where we artificially limit supply to enrich existing home owners would be easier is a subject for debate.

(Also concentration of poverty sucks; percent of affordable set aside for construction is probably better than apartments-just-for-poor-people).

The UK still has public housing and does a decent job of keeping it refurbished. The problem here is that restrictive planning practices make it impossible to build anything, public or private.

Tythas
Oct 3, 2013

Never felt at home in reality
Always hiding behind avatars


pantslesswithwolves posted:

UBI really is something we need to consider because AI is going to go after traditional office type jobs the way automation went after manufacturing.

Thankfully the Plagiarism machines won't be taking over jobs in any significant numbers for decades, they will however be used as tool to augment jobs. I know in the VFX industry they are using AI to help clean up artifacts and automate some of the more tedious work.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
The Seattle Times and others are covering this as a whistleblower, originally posted in the comments section of Leeham News. News comments sections: finally good for something?

quote:

throwawayboeingN704AL

January 16, 2024

Current Boeing employee here – I will save you waiting two years for the NTSB report to come out and give it to you for free: the reason the door blew off is stated in black and white in Boeings own records. It is also very, very stupid and speaks volumes about the quality culture at certain portions of the business.

A couple of things to cover before we begin:

Q1) Why should we believe you?

A) You shouldn’t, I’m some random throwaway account, do your own due diligence. Others who work at Boeing can verify what I say is true, but all I ask is you consider the following based on its own merits.

Q2) Why are you doing this?

A) Because there are many cultures at Boeing, and while the executive culture may be throughly compromised since we were bought by McD, there are many other people who still push for a quality product with cutting edge design. My hope is that this is the wake up call that finally forces the Board to take decisive action, and remove the executives that are resisting the necessary cultural changes to return to a company that values safety and quality above schedule.

With that out of the way… why did the left hand (LH) mid-exit door plug blow off of the 737-9 registered as N704AL? Simple- as has been covered in a number of articles and videos across aviation channels, there are 4 bolts that prevent the mid-exit door plug from sliding up off of the door stop fittings that take the actual pressurization loads in flight, and these 4 bolts were not installed when Boeing delivered the airplane, our own records reflect this.

The mid-exit doors on a 737-9 of both the regular and plug variety come from Spirit already installed in what is supposed to be the final configuration and in the Renton factory, there is a job for the doors team to verify this “final” install and rigging meets drawing requirements. In a healthy production system, this would be a “belt and suspenders” sort of check, but the 737 production system is quite far from healthy, its a rambling, shambling, disaster waiting to happen.

As a result, this check job that should find minimal defects has in the past 365 calendar days recorded 392 nonconforming findings on 737 mid fuselage door installations (so both actual doors for the high density configs, and plugs like the one that blew out). That is a hideously high and very alarming number, and if our quality system on 737 was healthy, it would have stopped the line and driven the issue back to supplier after the first few instances. Obviously, this did not happen. Now, on the incident aircraft this check job was completed on 31 August 2023, and did turn up discrepancies, but on the RH side door, not the LH that actually failed. I could blame the team for missing certain details, but given the enormous volume of defects they were already finding and fixing, it was inevitable something would slip through- and on the incident aircraft something did. I know what you are thinking at this point, but grab some popcorn because there is a plot twist coming up.

The next day on 1 September 2023 a different team (remember 737s flow through the factory quite quickly, 24 hours completely changes who is working on the plane) wrote up a finding for damaged and improperly installed rivets on the LH mid-exit door of the incident aircraft.

A brief aside to explain two of the record systems Boeing uses in production. The first is a program called CMES which stands for something boring and unimportant but what is important is that CMES is the sole authoritative repository for airplane build records (except on 787 which uses a different program). If a build record in CMES says something was built, inspected, and stamped in accordance with the drawing, then the airplane drat well better be per drawing. The second is a program called SAT, which also stands for something boring and unimportant but what is important is that SAT is not an authoritative records system, its a bullentin board where various things affecting the airplane build get posted about and updated with resolutions. You can think of it sort of like a idiots version of Slack or something. Wise readers will already be shuddering and wondering how many consultants were involved, because, yes SAT is a management visibilty tool. Like any good management visibilty tool, SAT can generate metrics, lots of metrics, and oh God do Boeing managers love their metrics. As a result, SAT postings are the primary topic of discussion at most daily status meetings, and the whole system is perceived as being extremely important despite, I reiterate, it holding no actual authority at all.

We now return to our incident aircraft, which was written up for having defective rivets on the LH mid-exit door. Now as is standard practice kn Renton (but not to my knowledge in Everett on wide bodies) this write-up happened in two forms, one in CMES, which is the correct venue, and once in SAT to “coordinate the response” but really as a behind-covering measure so the manager of the team that wrote it can show his boss he’s shoved the problem onto someone else. Because there are so many problems with the Spirit build in the 737, Spirit has teams on site in Renton performing warranty work for all of their shoddy quality, and this SAT promptly gets shunted into their queue as a warranty item. Lots of bickering ensues in the SAT messages, and it takes a bit for Spirit to get to the work package. Once they have finished, they send it back to a Boeing QA for final acceptance, but then Malicious Stupid Happens! The Boeing QA writes another record in CMES (again, the correct venue) stating (with pictures) that Spirit has not actually reworked the discrepant rivets, they just painted over the defects. In Boeing production speak, this is a “process failure”. For an A&P mechanic at an airline, this would be called “federal crime”.

Presented with evidence of their malfeasance, Spirit reopens the package and admits that not only did they not rework the rivets properly, there is a damaged pressure seal they need to replace (who damaged it, and when it was damaged is not clear to me). The big deal with this seal, at least according to frantic SAT postings, is the part is not on hand, and will need to be ordered, which is going to impact schedule, and (reading between the lines here) Management is Not Happy.

However, more critical for purposes of the accident investigation, the pressure seal is unsurprisingly sandwiched between the plug and the fuselage, and you cannot replace it without opening the door plug to gain access. All of this conversation is documented in increasingly aggressive posts in the SAT, but finally we get to the damning entry which reads something along the lines of “coordinating with the doors team to determine if the door will have to be removed entirely, or just opened. If it is removed then a Removal will have to be written.” Note: a Removal is a type of record in CMES that requires formal sign off from QA that the airplane been restored to drawing requirements.

If you have been paying attention to this situation closely, you may be able to spot the critical error: regardless of whether the door is simply opened or removed entirely, the 4 retaining bolts that keep it from sliding off of the door stops have to be pulled out. A removal should be written in either case for QA to verify install, but as it turns out, someone (exactly who will be a fun question for investigators) decides that the door only needs to be opened, and no formal Removal is generated in CMES (the reason for which is unclear, and a major process failure). Therefore, in the official build records of the airplane, a pressure seal that cannot be accessed without opening the door (and thereby removing retaining bolts) is documented as being replaced, but the door is never officially opened and thus no QA inspection is required.

This entire sequence is documented in the SAT, and the nonconformance records in CMES address the damaged rivets and pressure seal, but at no point is the verification job reopened, or is any record of removed retention bolts created, despite it this being a physical impossibility. Finally with Spirit completing their work to Boeing QAs satisfaction, the two rivet-related records in CMES are stamped complete, and the SAT closed on 19 September 2023. No record or comment regarding the retention bolts is made.

I told you it was stupid.

So, where are the bolts? Probably sitting forgotten and unlabeled (because there is no formal record number to label them with) on a work-in-progress bench, unless someone already tossed them in the scrap bin to tidy up.

There’s lots more to be said about the culture that enabled this to happened, but thats the basic details of what happened, the NTSB report will say it in more elegant terms in a few years.

tl;dr: Bolts are removed so that Boeing contractor (and former division) Spirit can fix a fuckup. Removal of bolts is never documented. Bolts are never reinstalled.

In Boeing production speak, this is a “process failure”. For an A&P mechanic at an airline, this would be called “federal crime”.

Platystemon fucked around with this message at 09:42 on Jan 25, 2024

Tythas
Oct 3, 2013

Never felt at home in reality
Always hiding behind avatars


Qtotonibudinibudet posted:

we could just go full soviet union and say "this is the town that produces X. you wanna work in X you gotta live here. also you may not get a choice, we may just decide you work in X and ship you off somewhere"

sucks for you if you live in the town that exclusively produces the entire national supply of chemical weapons

excluding the chemical weapons thing, on paper having a town in each state that produces specific goods/materials that modern society needs isn't a bad idea, the execution of that idea would probably be done in the most horrendously evil way though


Platystemon posted:

The Seattle Times and others are covering this as a whistleblower, originally posted in the comments section of Leeham News. News comments sections: finally good for something?

tl;dr: Bolts are removed so that Boeing contract (and former division) Spirit can fix a fuckup. Removal of bolts is never documented. Bolts are never reinstalled.

In Boeing production speak, this is a “process failure”. For an A&P mechanic at an airline, this would be called “federal crime”.

:stonk: drat, if that is true the FAA is going to have a field day tearing Boeing and Spirit apart

Tythas fucked around with this message at 09:41 on Jan 25, 2024

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


Tythas posted:

excluding the chemical weapons thing, on paper having a town in each state that produces specific goods/materials that modern society needs isn't a bad idea, the execution of that idea would probably be done in the most horrendously evil way though

"Well ya see we can't redevelop that blighted district of shuttered post-war factories and take on the burden of cleaning up the super fund sites. The only economical option was to eminent domain and pave over these low priced <predominantly minority> neighborhoods. I now declare that Widget Town is open for business."

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Platystemon posted:

The Seattle Times and others are covering this as a whistleblower, originally posted in the comments section of Leeham News. News comments sections: finally good for something?

tl;dr: Bolts are removed so that Boeing contractor (and former division) Spirit can fix a fuckup. Removal of bolts is never documented. Bolts are never reinstalled.

In Boeing production speak, this is a “process failure”. For an A&P mechanic at an airline, this would be called “federal crime”.

Good lord

Terrifying Effigies
Oct 22, 2008

Problems look mighty small from 150 miles up.

This is the real insanity:

quote:

As a result, this check job that should find minimal defects has in the past 365 calendar days recorded 392 nonconforming findings on 737 mid fuselage door installations (so both actual doors for the high density configs, and plugs like the one that blew out).

If that defect discovery rate was 1 a month it would warrant a thorough internal Boeing investigation to find out who's loving up. Over one a *day* is a sign that their industrial processes have completely broken down. With those sorts of numbers it's absolutely unsurprising that elements on both the sub and prime side are engaged in "process failure" activities.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Terrifying Effigies posted:

This is the real insanity:

If that defect discovery rate was 1 a month it would warrant a thorough internal Boeing investigation to find out who's loving up. Over one a *day* is a sign that their industrial processes have completely broken down. With those sorts of numbers it's absolutely unsurprising that elements on both the sub and prime side are engaged in "process failure" activities.

It doesn't matter and they know it. They're in the same situation GM was a few years ago, they can gently caress up all they want and the government will trip over itself to bail them out.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Midjack posted:

It doesn't matter and they know it. They're in the same situation GM was a few years ago, they can gently caress up all they want and the government will trip over itself to bail them out.

Number go up? Number go up!

If they have to make a few payments for planeloads of dead people then whatever, it's not people they care about and the numbers show which is more profitable.

Naramyth
Jan 22, 2009

Australia cares about cunts. Including this one.

Terrifying Effigies posted:

This is the real insanity:

If that defect discovery rate was 1 a month it would warrant a thorough internal Boeing investigation to find out who's loving up. Over one a *day* is a sign that their industrial processes have completely broken down. With those sorts of numbers it's absolutely unsurprising that elements on both the sub and prime side are engaged in "process failure" activities.

That defect rate is ONLY on the mid fuselage door installation.

I bet if you added up the other show stopping defects there wouldn’t be a :stare: big enough

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Naramyth posted:

That defect rate is ONLY on the mid fuselage door installation.

I bet if you added up the other show stopping defects there wouldn’t be a :stare: big enough

All Boeing executive offices should be installed on 737 and they and their family should be forced to fly on them around the clock until this stuff is fixed.

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

https://twitter.com/RollingStone/status/1750231508525236286

"No admittance without 3 X minimum beyond this point"'

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

CBJSprague24 posted:

https://twitter.com/RollingStone/status/1750231508525236286

"No admittance without 3 X minimum beyond this point"'

trump trying to keep his lackeys loyal by getting them addicted to drugs

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

CBJSprague24 posted:

https://twitter.com/RollingStone/status/1750231508525236286

"No admittance without 3 X minimum beyond this point"'

This was reported on multiple times throughout the administration (including articles specifically about Ronny Jackson) and never went anywhere.

Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008


https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1750512701237797103?t=XRxVW_roeK1OExXGvAvFsQ&s=19

Here's why strong FY24Q1 numbers are bad news for Joe Biden -a POLITICO article, probably

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Tiny Timbs posted:

This was reported on multiple times throughout the administration (including articles specifically about Ronny Jackson) and never went anywhere.

Weren’t there reports of this during the Obama admin too? I might be mixing up the timing. I specifically remember the story about the White House physician offering everyone downers at the beginning of and uppers at the end of AF1 flights.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

Nick Soapdish posted:

https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1750512701237797103?t=XRxVW_roeK1OExXGvAvFsQ&s=19

Here's why strong FY24Q1 numbers are bad news for Joe Biden -a POLITICO article, probably

Note the "continued resilience" in the original tweet, too.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

CBJSprague24 posted:

https://twitter.com/RollingStone/status/1750231508525236286

"No admittance without 3 X minimum beyond this point"'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK7kjl_gHds&t=27s

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/superme-court-alabama-proceed-nitrogen-gas-execution-1234953782/

quote:

The Supreme Court has ruled that Alabama can move forward with plans to execute a death row inmate using nitrogen gas — a method of execution by asphyxiation that has never been used in the United States.

The court denied a stay of execution on Wednesday for Kenneth Smith, who was sentenced to death in 1989 for the murder of Elizabeth Sennett, and was already subjected to a botched attempt at execution by lethal injection in 2022. In May of last year, the Supreme Court denied an appeal by state officials to once again attempt to execute Smith through lethal injection.

Death through nitrogen hypoxia, which would occur through the forced inhalation of high concentrations of nitrogen gas, is an untested method of execution. Attempts to use the method to euthanize mammals with the method have been rejected by the American Veterinary Medical Association under findings that the gas can be “distressing for some species.”

Smith would be strapped to a gurney in the execution chamber and fitted with a mask that would feed the gas into his lungs. The increased concentration of nitrogen in Smith’s blood would cause asphyxiation and organ death. Attorneys for Smith have argued that since the procedure has never been tested on a human, the state runs the risk of botching the execution, leaving Smith potentially braindead or with severe physical injuries, as well as violating constitutional protections against cruel and unusual punishments.

Concerns have also been raised that the possibility of a gas leak within the chamber could place the executioners, other correctional staff, and witnesses at risk given the toxic nature of nitrogen and its odorless, colorless properties.

Bolding mine. I'd likely lose my job if we used N2 gas to euthanize lab animals in our research. This is disgusting.

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

That Works posted:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/superme-court-alabama-proceed-nitrogen-gas-execution-1234953782/

Bolding mine. I'd likely lose my job if we used N2 gas to euthanize lab animals in our research. This is disgusting.
This is America. The cruelty is the point. The only shocking thing is that it's a white guy.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
I'm pretty sure that's how the homebrew euthanasia folks are doing it.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

hobbesmaster posted:

Weren’t there reports of this during the Obama admin too? I might be mixing up the timing. I specifically remember the story about the White House physician offering everyone downers at the beginning of and uppers at the end of AF1 flights.

there was Colin Powell saying that all the frequent travel staff are on Ambien: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/welcome-to-the-united-states-of-ambien-168147/

that kinda does make sense if you're flying jet lag distances all the time and are expected to be ready to go as soon as you arrive. whether you'd hit frequent enough usage for dependency doing that is vov

as to whether there was any walrus activity on the flights, well, nobody's talking

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 28, 2008

Wasabi the J posted:

I'm pretty sure that's how the homebrew euthanasia folks are doing it.

Isn’t the anxiety and pain from asphyxiation caused by the buildup from carbon dioxide in the bloodstream, not the lack of oxygen itself?

I’m not in favor of the death penalty at all but I think I’d pick slowly passing out without pain over being a human guinea pig for whatever drug cocktail isn’t yet banned for sale by pharmaceutical companies.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

hobbesmaster posted:

Weren’t there reports of this during the Obama admin too? I might be mixing up the timing. I specifically remember the story about the White House physician offering everyone downers at the beginning of and uppers at the end of AF1 flights.

Yeah I suspect that's a big part of why this gets the "Huh.. anyway," treatment.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Just get a really large fast pneumatic press.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

pantslesswithwolves posted:

Isn’t the anxiety and pain from asphyxiation caused by the buildup from carbon dioxide in the bloodstream, not the lack of oxygen itself?

I’m not in favor of the death penalty at all but I think I’d pick slowly passing out without pain over being a human guinea pig for whatever drug cocktail isn’t yet banned for sale by pharmaceutical companies.

Uh yeah I'm confused, N2 asphyxiation is "I feel sleepy" and then you're dead. Not that I trust state executioners not to figure out how to screw it up.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Crab Dad posted:

All Boeing executive offices should be installed on 737 and they and their family should be forced to fly on them around the clock until this stuff is fixed.

They'll just give themselves hazard pay at rates far exceeding normal hazard pay

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1750568690804830703?t=ThIKxovSRY-WmRgGhItaHQ&s=19

The jokes would write themselves if it wasn't for the circumstances. But looks like she signed an NDA for $3M, then ol' Vinnie Mac decided to stop paying after $1M and the board started asking questions. Said board mostly stopped after they got to "WHAT THE FU-" and never added the CK? because the company was being sold for bajillionty dollars.

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”

That Works posted:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/superme-court-alabama-proceed-nitrogen-gas-execution-1234953782/

Bolding mine. I'd likely lose my job if we used N2 gas to euthanize lab animals in our research. This is disgusting.

What is it about being monstrous pieces of poo poo that conservatives find so appealing?

With every passing day I find the amount of disgust and contempt I have for the hick infested wastelands of Red America just keeps getting greater and greater.

I struggle to see how we're all part of the same country. I have virtually nothing in common with them.

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020

Mustang posted:

What is it about being monstrous pieces of poo poo that conservatives find so appealing?

With every passing day I find the amount of disgust and contempt I have for the hick infested wastelands of Red America just keeps getting greater and greater.

I struggle to see how we're all part of the same country. I have virtually nothing in common with them.

Maybe you should take a break from reading the news?

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Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
Wouldn't help, it's not like I'll be blissfully unaware that Red states will continue to tighten the screws on anyone and everyone that isn't a straight white christian conservative.

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