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TheMightyBoops posted:I’ve never got the impression that he’s bought into the auteur thing and that saved him. He just likes games. He is actually the worst person in Indie Game The Movie because he refused to fix Delirium.
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Jan 25, 2024 18:31
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Feels Villeneuve posted:He is actually the worst person in Indie Game The Movie because he refused to fix Delirium. According to my Google search that bit was designed by someone else and they’re trying to fix it as of 3 months ago.
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Jan 25, 2024 18:34
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DoctorWhat posted:Johnathan Blow's efforts to force gamers to engage with some actual culture is righteous but he's an odious creep so gently caress'em. "actual culture" lmao
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Jan 25, 2024 18:42
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TheMightyBoops posted:According to my Google search that bit was designed by someone else and they’re trying to fix it as of 3 months ago. THey should make an indie game movie 2 but its a takedown of lazy devs.
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Jan 25, 2024 18:44
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euroshopper posted:remember when half the people making GBS threads on phil fish for this take later started calling eizouken too woke and westernized because of brown skinned anime girls ???
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Jan 25, 2024 18:51
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Feels Villeneuve posted:The roughly three year period where indie games were focused on like three bearded white guys FTW The early 2010's obsession with indie games made by annoying as gently caress "auteurs" as some kind of counterculture movement to AAA brown and bloom photorealism is a really funny microcosm of how loving stupid the discourse within mainstream western gaming spaces was then. It was the height of this desperate movement to have something gamers could aloft as an example of high art from the medium and a bunch of insecure meltdowns over the success of games that weren't perceived to be in pursuit of this lofty goal. fake e. Like I remember the gaming press losing their goddamn minds over Journey and all these articles about how it was deeply culturally meaningful because of how unique it's communication system was for a co-op game; a bold social experiment laying bare the true psyche of its players. By which they meant there's no chat function so people communicated via a button that made bleep-bloop noises and drawing dicks in the sand. Truly gaming at last had its Citizen Kane.
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Jan 25, 2024 18:55
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Helping newbies through Journey was a lot of fun fwiw, particularly if you unlocked the sweet white clock with all the decals. Just straight up gandalfing pubbies through light puzzle elements ftw.
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Jan 25, 2024 18:57
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I think it was pretty good that indie games evolved beyond the "bearded white auteur" moment, and "high culture" envy is absolutely not confined to the indies lol. look at how much they love any cinematic action game with a remotely "serious" story
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Jan 25, 2024 18:57
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Sydin posted:The early 2010's obsession with indie games made by annoying as gently caress "auteurs" as some kind of counterculture movement to AAA brown and bloom photorealism is a really funny microcosm of how loving stupid the discourse within mainstream western gaming spaces was then. It was the height of this desperate movement to have something gamers could aloft as an example of high art from the medium and a bunch of insecure meltdowns over the success of games that weren't perceived to be in pursuit of this lofty goal. Remember when cliffy b said it was sad Roger Ebert had died before bioshock infinite came out
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Jan 25, 2024 18:58
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Endorph posted:??? phil fish was def an rear end in a top hat and probably a xenophobe but don't pretend like a good amount of the hate he got was reasonable and not just "lol this guy is a beta male who wants to destroy our big booby gaming waifus"
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Jan 25, 2024 18:58
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it was tragic we didnt get to see him laugh at it
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Jan 25, 2024 18:59
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lol cliffyb in front of two buttons with a copy of bioshock infinite that say ebert and pope
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Jan 25, 2024 18:59
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Feels Villeneuve posted:I think it was pretty good that indie games evolved beyond the "bearded white auteur" moment, and "high culture" envy is absolutely not confined to the indies lol. look at how much they love any cinematic action game with a remotely "serious" story Honestly, gaming in the 2010s was just gamers being utterly desperate for mainstream affirmation of the medium as big boy real art.
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Jan 25, 2024 19:01
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euroshopper posted:phil fish was def an rear end in a top hat and probably a xenophobe but don't pretend like a good amount of the hate he got was reasonable and not just "lol this guy is a beta male who wants to destroy our big booby gaming waifus" You need to chill out dude.
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Jan 25, 2024 19:01
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Honestly I liked a lot of what Infinite did but the idea you'd use it to convince Ebert that games were art is very funny.
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Jan 25, 2024 19:01
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It doesn't help that it feels like the one trick game devs always fall back on when they want to make their game seem deep is "Oh, what if the choices this game presented you were actually just an illusion? What if it were in fact the game that was playing YOU?"
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Jan 25, 2024 19:04
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euroshopper posted:phil fish was def an rear end in a top hat and probably a xenophobe but don't pretend like a good amount of the hate he got was reasonable and not just "lol this guy is a beta male who wants to destroy our big booby gaming waifus" everything that you talk authoritatively about in this thread happened when you were 8 years old
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Jan 25, 2024 19:04
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Fil5000 posted:Honestly I liked a lot of what Infinite did but the idea you'd use it to convince Ebert that games were art is very funny. as bad as the "are games art discourse" was i think the funniest answer to that question by far was "games were not art until bioshock infinite came out"
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Jan 25, 2024 19:05
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euroshopper posted:phil fish was def an rear end in a top hat and probably a xenophobe but don't pretend like a good amount of the hate he got was reasonable and not just "lol this guy is a beta male who wants to destroy our big booby gaming waifus"
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Jan 25, 2024 19:16
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also, big booby gaming women ftw
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Jan 25, 2024 19:16
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Fil5000 posted:Remember when cliffy b said it was sad Roger Ebert had died before bioshock infinite came out I'm glad a game as brave as Bioshock Infinite finally came along to say what needed to be said: racism is bad, but not that bad, lol. Feels Villeneuve posted:I think it was pretty good that indie games evolved beyond the "bearded white auteur" moment, and "high culture" envy is absolutely not confined to the indies lol. look at how much they love any cinematic action game with a remotely "serious" story Oh yeah for sure, you also had stuff like Uncharted, the Tell Tale games, etc coming out in the same period that were very heavily leaning into being "cinematic" first and foremost as a crutch for being taken "seriously." But there was definitely a wave of people latching onto stuff like Fez, The Witness, Limbo, etc as gaming at last breaking through the wall of immature medium with nothing to say artistically.
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Jan 25, 2024 19:17
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I don't really want to rehash 2010s gamecrit discourse to be fair, it was all really bad. then again its always really bad
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Jan 25, 2024 19:18
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why did anyone think the whole western gaming sphere was insanely racist, truly a mystery
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Jan 25, 2024 19:19
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also i posted this guy before but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYgIOJXVvXM this was fun because while i was aware of the existence of back in 1995 i did not know at all, that it turned into a metaficitonal commentary on game nostalgia lol
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Jan 25, 2024 19:22
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euroshopper posted:phil fish was def an rear end in a top hat and probably a xenophobe but don't pretend like a good amount of the hate he got was reasonable and not just "lol this guy is a beta male who wants to destroy our big booby gaming waifus" I think you've let some weird 4chan adjacent twitter freak nestle in your brain and you've decided to compare everything to what they would have said and that's just sad. Hope you are released from this burden one day
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Jan 25, 2024 19:27
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More like Fail Fish More like Jonathan Blows
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Jan 25, 2024 19:30
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Anyway nothing Blow made was as emotionally moving or narratively daring as like...any given jrpg on the psx. Johnathan blow did not have the imagination to make wild arms or the creativity to write ff7 and I mean this unironically.
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Jan 25, 2024 19:31
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i dont want to poo poo on anyone who likes the witness (the shitness) and im glad he got to make the weird game that he wanted to make. didnt like it.
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Jan 25, 2024 19:32
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then again i think Kentucky Route Zero is boring rear end so what do i know
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Jan 25, 2024 19:32
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Anyway nothing Blow made was as emotionally moving or narratively daring as like...any given jrpg on the psx. jonathan blow did not have the imagination to make oneechanbara
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Jan 25, 2024 19:36
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Feels Villeneuve posted:i dont want to poo poo on anyone who likes the witness (the shitness) and im glad he got to make the weird game that he wanted to make. didnt like it. I like puzzles, I say in the cadence of the turtle kid. I think Talos Principle does some of the not-puzzle stuff the witness attempts better however.
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Jan 25, 2024 19:40
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see i really didn't like Talos but i also hate mirror-laser puzzles and the "everything is text logs" storytelling method so i was not the target audience
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Jan 25, 2024 19:40
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If you say you don’t like picross puzzles next we are going to loving war.
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Jan 25, 2024 19:41
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the witness and the talos principle are alike in that they're both best enjoyed by completely ignoring the plot/lore
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Jan 25, 2024 19:48
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DoctorWhat posted:The Ted talks are lame but the clip from Nosthalgia about carrying the candle rules. That clip honestly needs the whole movie to tell you the guy has to carry that candle thru the empty pool because Christ Almighty. Wanna see the dog that was on AGDQ win a match for Ken Griffith Jr for the SNES?
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Jan 25, 2024 19:59
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It's amazing how the only indie game developer I would consider an "auteur" or groundbreaking in any way is also the one that never seems to come up in discussions about "auteurs", and is also not toxic as gently caress (as far as I know). Toby Fox. I'm referring to Toby Fox and Undertale. Please don't tell me he's also toxic as gently caress.
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Jan 25, 2024 20:00
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toby fox contributed a song to yiik, cancel and erase him imo
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Jan 25, 2024 20:11
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Endorph posted:remember when phil fish outright told some japanese dude that JAPANESE GAMES SUCK AND ARE DEAD and every gaming website was applauding him for dropping this truth bomb (chuckles) whose laughing now phil fish?
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Jan 25, 2024 20:14
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:toby fox contributed a song to yiik, cancel and erase him imo And there it is.
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Jan 25, 2024 20:16
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repiv posted:the witness and the talos principle are alike in that they're both best enjoyed by completely ignoring the plot/lore hey, the talos principle dlc about the like 19 robots that get put in robot jail and have nothing to do for centuries other than post on the robot forums and make text adventures about how being in jail rules, was pretty good i also respect 2 for completely redefining the game and the way the story is told but i admittedly haven’t gotten to the end yet so maybe it spins out
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