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Bensa posted:This sort of misses two points; nationalism or the government giving you an offer you can't refuse, both of which apply even more so in China. Why didn't China just threaten to shoot their scientists until they got a more effective version of the vaccine?
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i say swears online posted:you're saying the government pays scientists in china better than the private sector? and that nationalism is stronger in china than other countries? It doesn't need to pay better. Some roles have no public sector positions, and the existence of a truly public sector in China is a misnomer. Most uiversities wouldn't really exist if people could only be motivated by money. Then there's stuff like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Talents_Plan Mainland chinese nationalism is extremely strong, with mandatory education even in universities. It can be a bit hard to recognise without living there.
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StumblyWumbly posted:I think you underestimate the difficulty of biochemical engineering if you think it can be conquered with love of country or fear of death, but maybe you can lay out some kind of plan for how that would have worked? Or some reasoning for why China would want to make a more fatal version of the flu? This is just an odd post. The most difficult projects are tackled by public investment. All governments have at least had a quick look at weaponization, like in the 70s in the Aral.
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Bensa posted:Mainland chinese nationalism is extremely strong, with mandatory education even in universities. It can be a bit hard to recognise without living there. This is concerning. In the US, there's no mandate that I have to learn anything in university at all
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Bensa posted:This is just an odd post. The most difficult projects are tackled by public investment. My main argument here is that its extremely unrealistic to think China engineered COVID. You're trying to poke holes in that argument and the only consistency seems to be "China scary".
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StumblyWumbly posted:Do you think China could have somehow engineered the virus? Can you lay out how or why that would have happened? Is China using "public investment" to engineer viruses and able to create tools that they have not released to Big Pharma? Or do have have threatened or nationalist scientists working in secret? You made the point that governments are unable to retain the best talent from leaving to the private sector. Which is objectively false, hence national labs and universities. This applies to a wide spectrum of fields. This is even more false for China where government jobs are the most coveted over the private sector, especially in the recent employment climate. They provide much better working conditions, stability, and benefits, as exemplified by the Thousand Talents program. Additionally, the idea that the government couldn't requisition labour from the private sector, if it wanted to, is laughable to anyone who has lived or worked in China. Government oversight reaches into every facet of a company, there are no secrets. The above, and the fact that governments do run bio-weapon programs and have had leaks, was all that is claimed. Motive was not brought up.
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Bensa posted:You made the point that governments are unable to retain the best talent from leaving to the private sector. Which is objectively false, hence national labs and universities. This applies to a wide spectrum of fields. You are alluding to a vague conspiracy where the Chinese government has super scientists, either fanatics or slaves, working in complete secrecy and leaving no proof, except for accidentally releasing the virus in their own city. This is the same type of paranoid thinking that convinced folks Iraq had WMDs.
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"was the virus engineered" is a separate question to "was the leak malicious". might not even matter
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StumblyWumbly posted:In biotech its definitely true. That's the hottest field on the planet and its been that way for a while. quote:If you want to work on pure research like high energy physics, LLNL might be the best (although Commonwealth Fusion is probably pretty good now too). quote:If Governments had the best biotech folks, why did all the vaccines come out of Big Pharma? Why wasn't China's vaccine better, if they're virus experts? quote:You are alluding to a vague conspiracy where the Chinese government has super scientists, either fanatics or slaves, working in complete secrecy and leaving no proof, except for accidentally releasing the virus in their own city. This is the same type of paranoid thinking that convinced folks Iraq had WMDs.
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cool, could you drop it now let's get some more images up in here! 
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Historians don't look at poo poo, they read poo poo
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Koburn posted:cool, could you drop it now Even when they want him to look menacing they only manage to make Biden look like your grandpa smiling because he’s proud you graduated high school
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MY COFFEE MASHEEN IS CARBITCH HA HA HA
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https://twitter.com/emilyasullivan/status/1749463245872578858 https://twitter.com/BerniceKing/status/1748887442038431863
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This VCR machine .. Panasonic, not so good mechanics, very bad.
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Clean, safe, too cheap to meter
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Welcome to Costco, I love you. Welcome to Costco, I love you.
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 No I don't even want to know how, I want to keep the mystery
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zoux posted:
I'm guessing it's because many poor people are known to have vast investments in bank shares in their share portfolios -like most normal people- which would be worth less without being able to charge overdraft fees.
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My guess is that overdraft fees keep the brutish masses from irresponsibly living beyond their means
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So the real answer is that by providing the poor families with extra money at the low, low cost of an overdraft fee, bankers are selflessly helping the most vulnerable members of society to keep the lights on.
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I have a wapo sub. Basically small accounts won't be as profitable so they'd be incentivized to drop the account instead.
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That has a real "harsh penalties are the only thing that stops them stealing food, and if we didn't stop that they would eat all the food, being irresponsible and with no thought for the future, and then we would all starve" vibe to it.
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As a traditionalist I propose we bring back the tradition of regular cheese riots and throwing wheels of cheese at mayors.
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As long as it is Genuine American Cheese Products and not actual cheese. Make it sting.
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zoux posted:
This woman is one of the dumbest human beings I've ever had the misfortune of reading. I have no idea why WAPO keeps publishing her articles.
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Mustang posted:This woman is one of the dumbest human beings I've ever had the misfortune of reading. I have no idea why WAPO keeps publishing her articles. you ever see that standup skit where the guy talks about dialogue between Dentists and Tootheologists megan is wapo's go-to gal for keeping the dialogue open with Tootheology
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This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRqB5-egs1s
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Mustang posted:This woman is one of the dumbest human beings I've ever had the misfortune of reading. I have no idea why WAPO keeps publishing her articles. a rage click is still a click
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This is what praxis looks like.
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Seems like there'd be a perverse incentive to govern poorly and receive free cheese
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zoux posted:Seems like there'd be a perverse incentive to govern poorly and receive free cheese Andrew Jackson did set off his own little bit of cheese rowdiness.
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They made Carter sell his cheese farm
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