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Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

Air Skwirl posted:

I know his official title is Sorcerer Supreme, but in terms of DnD mechanics I would definitely classify Strange as a Wizard over Sorcerer.

Does it complicate things more how he calls on other magical beings/deities? Hoggoth et al.

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Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Lobok posted:

Does it complicate things more how he calls on other magical beings/deities? Hoggoth et al.

The main difference to me is that he gets the majority of his mystical powers through intense study and practice and not an innate connection to the arcane, which is the main difference between wizards and sorcerers in DnD. Stephen Strange doesn't perfectly match up because he existed like a decade before Dungeons and Dragon's existed at all and the sorcerer class is a relatively new addition to the game to begin with.

Nico Minoru is a character who would fit my general understanding of Sorcerer (dnd class) much better.

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine

Azubah posted:

True. You wouldn't want to have a schedule like the battle chasers guy.

Or loving Jason Pearson, that man was one of the most talented comics artists I have ever seen but he also had probably the most abysmal work ethic of any artist in the history of commercial comics

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
Or you have people like Bagley who doesn't trace at all and spent nearly a decade doing 18+ issues a year.

Open Marriage Night
Sep 18, 2009

"Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"


Codependent Poster posted:

It's also a D&D party.

Hunter's Moon - tank, Strange - sorcerer, Black Cat - thief, Taskmaster - fighter

That rules. What a goon.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Vengeance of the Moon Knight was quite good. Getting Ben Grimm's help to plan a shiva? Oh, great work, Vulpes.

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Keep On Shroomin
Apparently there is now a clone of Beast with his 1985 New Defenders memories and personality and the X-Men have officially had enough of current Beast’s bullshit

Okkult
Oct 10, 2012



I can't imagine living on Al Ewing's level. He's a different species.

Open Marriage Night
Sep 18, 2009

"Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"


Ewing is on that Morrison/Moore/Hickman level where they have a doctorate in comic book science/magic that puts them at the top of the art form.

The difference seems to be that Ewing fits more comfortably in the constrains of the Marvel Universe. There’s very little chafe.

Snackmar
Feb 23, 2005

I'M PROGRAMMED TO LOVE THIS CHOCOLATY CAKE... MY CIRCUITS LIGHT UP FOR THAT FUDGY ICING.

thetoughestbean posted:

Apparently there is now a clone of Beast with his 1985 New Defenders memories and personality and the X-Men have officially had enough of current Beast’s bullshit

That sounds like an excellent plan to finally rehabilitate the character. Heck, you could even keep current Beast around as the new Dark Beast and send the AoA one back to his own universe

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Snackmar posted:

That sounds like an excellent plan to finally rehabilitate the character. Heck, you could even keep current Beast around as the new Dark Beast and send the AoA one back to his own universe

And keep old Dark Beast as a head in a jar on Sinister's shelf.

Soonmot
Dec 19, 2002

Entrapta fucking loves robots




Grimey Drawer

Dawgstar posted:

And keep old Dark Beast as a head in a jar on Sinister's shelf.

he's not even the darkest beast anymore!

Rochallor
Apr 23, 2010

ふっっっっっっっっっっっっck
The best / funniest outcome is that nu-(old-?) Beast breaks bad in an entirely different fashion from the old one. Current Beast went full CIA, ANAD Beast decided to become a warlock, this one becomes, I dunno, President of Madripoor.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

https://twitter.com/SFXmagazine/status/1751757110780551499

Our upcoming goon-written big Marvel event!

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
Catching up on Miles Morales Spider-Man and just got to the Blade team up is Bloodline: Daughter of Blade any good?

rantmo
Jul 30, 2003

A smile better suits a hero



I liked it and I think she's an interesting character. I didn't love the art but I didn't hate it either.

Chinston Wurchill
Jun 27, 2010

It's not that kind of test.

I like Jed's stuff so far but "the bloodiest event ever" isn't something that grabs my interest, especially after the recent "goriest Wolverine story ever."

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
Given some of the Marvel MAX stuff and Marvel Zombies and the [Character] Kills the Marvel Universe books, I'm pretty sure they're being hyperbolic and even the shrink-wrapped "extra violent" editions won't be the most violent thing Marvel has published.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

mang I really wish we'd gotten more X-Terminators before everything blew the gently caress up

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine
Honestly at this point I'd be much more interested in a "least violent" event instead, but then I'm a firm believer that Superhero stuff generally works best in a PG to light PG-13 context(comic book creators being allowed to dip into hard PG-13 and R rated content mostly just results in them using it as a crutch rather than do anything actually interesting)

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

Chinston Wurchill posted:

I like Jed's stuff so far but "the bloodiest event ever" isn't something that grabs my interest, especially after the recent "goriest Wolverine story ever."

I doubt there's gonna be anything as tasteless or stupid as that, and I can't see any of the heroes actually being in danger. So most likely it's just gonna be mainly vampires dying in bloody ways I bet.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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drrockso20 posted:

Honestly at this point I'd be much more interested in a "least violent" event instead, but then I'm a firm believer that Superhero stuff generally works best in a PG to light PG-13 context(comic book creators being allowed to dip into hard PG-13 and R rated content mostly just results in them using it as a crutch rather than do anything actually interesting)
Knowing Vulpes it's going to be the bloodiest event ever because Bats the Ghost Hound and his team of Midnight Sons go to Vampirella's planet where the oceans are blood.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Codependent Poster posted:

I doubt there's gonna be anything as tasteless or stupid as that, and I can't see any of the heroes actually being in danger. So most likely it's just gonna be mainly vampires dying in bloody ways I bet.

Yeah, Jed's given me no reason to doubt him so far as to something not being entertaining and if he does, like, Marvel splatterpunk than I'm also confident that would be entertaining.

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine

Nessus posted:

Knowing Vulpes it's going to be the bloodiest event ever because Bats the Ghost Hound and his team of Midnight Sons go to Vampirella's planet where the oceans are blood.

Oh I'm sure Vulpes will do a good job with this, meant more in a general sense than him in particular, and a Vampire focused event is admittedly one of those times you have to let loose with the blood(reminds me I should give the Batman Vampire trilogy a read again, been a while since I last did)

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
Nm

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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drrockso20 posted:

Oh I'm sure Vulpes will do a good job with this, meant more in a general sense than him in particular, and a Vampire focused event is admittedly one of those times you have to let loose with the blood(reminds me I should give the Batman Vampire trilogy a read again, been a while since I last did)
At a certain point it's just gonna be blood fuckin' everywhere no matter what.

Heavy Metal
Sep 1, 2014

America's $1 Funnyman

drrockso20 posted:

Honestly at this point I'd be much more interested in a "least violent" event instead, but then I'm a firm believer that Superhero stuff generally works best in a PG to light PG-13 context(comic book creators being allowed to dip into hard PG-13 and R rated content mostly just results in them using it as a crutch rather than do anything actually interesting)

I have a parallel but different take, like War Rocket Ajax put it the superhero comics that seem like they're embarrassed to be superhero comics, those are the lame ones. Like Identity Crisis and other poorly done attempts to be really adult.

My favorite superhero comics ever happen to have lots of blood and R-rated (or unrated) violence, Savage Dragon and Invincible. But they're also very classically superhero comics with fun elements and cartoony styles.

That said, for sure blood itself isn't a big selling point for me like it was when I was a lad, it's just part of the package. Now I love Fist of the North Star because it rules, and he happens to blow people up. If I come across some random other character who blows people up I'd probably be like hmm what's with this thing here.

Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 09:16 on Jan 29, 2024

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
Lurklurklurklurklurk
I kinda don't like vampires in shared superhero universes because they feel a bit like "One more thing for the pile" rather than an interesting story element unto themselves

Granted, they CAN be that (examples are the MI13 series with Blade and how they've been used in Moon Knight lately) but I feel like usually it's more like that bad X-Men comic where they redesigned Dracula to look like a generic fantasy novel villain

Blockhouse
Sep 7, 2014

You Win!
It would be weirder if those universe didn't have vampires, honestly.

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine

OnimaruXLR posted:

I kinda don't like vampires in shared superhero universes because they feel a bit like "One more thing for the pile" rather than an interesting story element unto themselves

Granted, they CAN be that (examples are the MI13 series with Blade and how they've been used in Moon Knight lately) but I feel like usually it's more like that bad X-Men comic where they redesigned Dracula to look like a generic fantasy novel villain

Honestly I feel that way for basically anything magic related due to how incredibly inconsistently magic is always treated even for the same character/spell/item between appearances, though this weirdly enough only really feels like a persistent issue with Superhero comics, Superhero works in other mediums don't seem to have the issue* or magic in other genres either

*this I suspect more than anything has to do with how other mediums generally have to streamline things and have to worry about budgets, runtimes, and deadlines rather than just can the artist draw it and the writer describe it

Sentinel Red
Nov 13, 2007
Style > Content.
I'm also on Team Vampires Ain't poo poo. I mean come on, you've got so many guys who a vamp isn't going to be able to make a scratch on and/or get close to. Hell, Monica alone could probably wipe out thousands of them a minute if she felt like it, enjoy your new tan bozos.

Rev. Bleech_
Oct 19, 2004

~OKAY, WE'LL DRINK TO OUR LEGS!~

Air Skwirl posted:

Given some of the Marvel MAX stuff and Marvel Zombies and the [Character] Kills the Marvel Universe books, I'm pretty sure they're being hyperbolic and even the shrink-wrapped "extra violent" editions won't be the most violent thing Marvel has published.

just thinking about Fred Hembeck Destroys the Marvel Universe being brown bagged behind the register somewhere

Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



Violence just for the sake of violence is lame as hell. If you want a bunch of gore porny books, just go find some old early 2000 Avatar Press stuff and get your fill. I am all for more thoughtful adult storytelling from the Big Two but this is just too dripping with edgy cynicism to push titillating books at a higher price. I understand why Marvel is doing this, otherwise nobody would have bothered with it. Maybe the bloated unnecessary tie ins won't be as bad or numerous as normal.

That being said I am pushing my store to not even stock more than a handful of the PG 13 ones. Anyone who is interested in this but not enough to get the R version would probably just skip it anyway. A solid cross pull for Moon Knight.

The X-man cometh
Nov 1, 2009
I would agree but Vulpes has a good track record of being original and not leaning on easy crutches.

Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



The X-man cometh posted:

I would agree but Vulpes has a good track record of being original and not leaning on easy crutches.

One of the best guys working, for sure, but he ain't the boss. Maybe this idea came from above, maybe he threw a big fit in a pitch meeting to get extra blood in. Couldn't say. It's a bad precedent, but if it sells it sells. Much like characters dying every quarter, sometimes neat ideas get taken too far and it is just violence and gore for the sake of it. I worry more for the Fall 2025 Red Band event more than Vampire Fiesta.

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

Lord_Hambrose posted:

One of the best guys working, for sure, but he ain't the boss. Maybe this idea came from above, maybe he threw a big fit in a pitch meeting to get extra blood in. Couldn't say. It's a bad precedent, but if it sells it sells. Much like characters dying every quarter, sometimes neat ideas get taken too far and it is just violence and gore for the sake of it. I worry more for the Fall 2025 Red Band event more than Vampire Fiesta.

You can read the interview that was posted and get the answer to where the idea came from. It was a suggestion in a meeting from Gerry Duggan.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer
I mean the Moon Knight run literally starts with MK hunting vampires, a vampire based event was just the natural next step

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
so did blade already give up on being the sheriff of transylvania or whatever

Blockhouse
Sep 7, 2014

You Win!

Lord_Hambrose posted:

One of the best guys working, for sure, but he ain't the boss. Maybe this idea came from above, maybe he threw a big fit in a pitch meeting to get extra blood in. Couldn't say. It's a bad precedent, but if it sells it sells. Much like characters dying every quarter, sometimes neat ideas get taken too far and it is just violence and gore for the sake of it. I worry more for the Fall 2025 Red Band event more than Vampire Fiesta.

"This writer is doing a thing I don't like, he must have been forced into it"

loving come on.

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rantmo
Jul 30, 2003

A smile better suits a hero



site posted:

so did blade already give up on being the sheriff of transylvania or whatever

Not Transylvania, the vampire nation of Chernobyl! Also, yeah, apparently I guess. Real shame too, that's the real good comic book nonsense.

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