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Yeah the discard effect reading is weird, because it's been implemented so far as only affecting the other choosable skill of the ID currently on the skill bar, so all discard skills are identical and it doesn't matter what they say, they'll always discard the other skill. They really need to update it to include the skill that's tetronimo'ing in, or make the text more clear on the skills.
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As long as you're in an abnormality battle, I think that's all Discard will do. The conditions really come into play once the character has multiple action slots.
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I think the intent is that Hong Lu needs some thinking to get a Skill 3 discard, since it happens before the check for Insight and so if you get that Skill 3 discard you get the strongest version of Skill 1.
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i had a thought that it would be really loving fitting in a 'why didn't we think of this sooner' way if something called "The Mirror" happened to utilize or manipulate the mysterious energy that's been called "Light".
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Dieci Yi Sang: People are buildings and I'm a demolition crew. Why is he like this?
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Dong Lu continues the trend of being PM's golden boy, because oh boy does he poo poo high value coins everywhere. He hardly counts as a sinking ID, sinking neutral at the best of times, but give him 2 slots and he'll drop very consistent high numbers and cycle through his skills faster then anyone in the game. Sinking remains a 5 man team, because giving him 2 slots is better then any possible 6th slot.
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Junpei posted:i had a thought that it would be really loving fitting in a 'why didn't we think of this sooner' way if something called "The Mirror" happened to utilize or manipulate the mysterious energy that's been called "Light". it doesn't do either of those things though, it's all about weird what if bullshit Onehandclapping posted:Dong Lu continues the trend of being PM's golden boy, because oh boy does he poo poo high value coins everywhere. He hardly counts as a sinking ID, sinking neutral at the best of times, but give him 2 slots and he'll drop very consistent high numbers and cycle through his skills faster then anyone in the game. Sinking remains a 5 man team, because giving him 2 slots is better then any possible 6th slot. thankfully the fusion gift is "5 or more" so you give him a second slot and don't have to choose between the boner squad of sunshower or mariachi
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Wait so it’s… Ishmael, Yi sang, rodya, hongle…. Who’s the fifth sinking ranger normally?
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G Outis.
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Mexican Sinclair.
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Onehandclapping posted:Yeah, Wi-sang goes on rupture teams because there's very few identities that are rupture positive or neutral, and he is once his charge is up. You weren't kidding about how strong a bleed team can get in MD3H  It took quite the investment of exp tickets to bring all IDs to 40 but after fusing for the tier IV bleed gift I basically steamrolled the whole dungeon, the clash values and the damage output is just insane
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With some luck (and the right I.D.'s) it's possible to go even further with a bleed+poise team. Lucky Bag gets some big third skill numbers as it is, but add it on to Bloody Mist, now we're talkin. Reasonably confident there isn't much anything that can beat the two together in a clash, E.G.O. or otherwise.
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Just gave MD3H my first try and it went reasonably well with my usual charge team. I did fail to beat the final boss, which sucked, because it was Dream-devouring Stillcurrent and I knew exactly what to do and it'd have been fairly simple to do it, but, well... by that point I just couldn't win clashes consistently even using EGO. I'll do better next time!
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PetraCore posted:Just gave MD3H my first try and it went reasonably well with my usual charge team. I did fail to beat the final boss, which sucked, because it was Dream-devouring Stillcurrent and I knew exactly what to do and it'd have been fairly simple to do it, but, well... by that point I just couldn't win clashes consistently even using EGO. I'll do better next time!
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PetraCore posted:Just gave MD3H my first try and it went reasonably well with my usual charge team. I did fail to beat the final boss, which sucked, because it was Dream-devouring Stillcurrent and I knew exactly what to do and it'd have been fairly simple to do it, but, well... by that point I just couldn't win clashes consistently even using EGO. I'll do better next time! Congrats! Stillcurrent is the hardest boss in the dungeon by far, and a showstopper for a lot of teams, so calling it quits at him is fair game and still worth 99% of the points. Most the other bosses are jokes relative to his ability to crunch a sinner every turn, so getting to that spot would've been a win in most other runs.
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GilliamYaeger posted:The key is to completely ignore the Gifts on offer and focus entirely on what buffs you're giving the enemy. Minimize power and offense level gain as much as possible, or else the enemy's offence just skyrockets and you can't ever win clashes. Health, defence or damage increases are ideal picks, but don't forget to factor in the +2-4 offence level every pick will give the enemy. Onehandclapping posted:Congrats! Stillcurrent is the hardest boss in the dungeon by far, and a showstopper for a lot of teams, so calling it quits at him is fair game and still worth 99% of the points. Most the other bosses are jokes relative to his ability to crunch a sinner every turn, so getting to that spot would've been a win in most other runs. PetraCore fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Jan 25, 2024 |
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Junpei posted:G Outis. yes there's this weeks MD done, only got the sheet music at the very end so I only fought Faelantern with it but otoh I also did a like 1000 damage sinking deluge to it(600ish damage technically but eclipse of scarlet moths got involved and things got funky) so that was fun anyway, Hong Lu: he's kinda weird. You cannot count on the predictions at all because his Insight changes are applied before he attacks and his power varies extremely wildly with it. He's super dependent on Insight so S3 will get discarded a lot in favor of the other two which will poo poo damage at optimal power so it's not really a loss. S1 at good insight can clash okay but it's technically-1-coin nature means you gotta be somewhat more careful about it, otoh this means it also works with the rusty coin. He's only technically a Sinking ID and doesn't really contribute to it at all due to S3 essentially being ammo and only applying Count at the end of his attack, but he still qualifies for the gifts and Sinking's lack of IDs means that he's a shoo-in. His passive requires gloom res but essentially locks him at 2+ Insight if you have another discard ID. Overall he's pretty good if only because Sinking desperately needs more IDs. He's more of a discard ID though. e: also he needs either a 2nd slot or consistent gloom res to keep his Insight up, he is fairly wimpy at 1(14 power s3 oof), decent at 2(s1 hits twice, S2/3 are high-10s) and a murderbeast at 3(S1 hits 3 times and s2 and 3 are both 20+) Yinlock fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Jan 25, 2024 |
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GilliamYaeger posted:The key is to completely ignore the Gifts on offer and focus entirely on what buffs you're giving the enemy. Minimize power and offense level gain as much as possible, or else the enemy's offence just skyrockets and you can't ever win clashes. Health, defence or damage increases are ideal picks, but don't forget to factor in the +2-4 offence level every pick will give the enemy. I did that, and while it's definitely safer, trying to chew through the massively inflated HP pools while having significantly reduced damage due to all defense buffs is utterly miserable and takes a lot longer than normal MDH3 run. Then you hit a crab node on 5th floor and just give up. 
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My charge team can pretty reliably chew everyone up and spit them out, though in longer battles I tend to run out of things to spend charge on and need to get rid of the charge gathering stuff.
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Lt. Lizard posted:I did that, and while it's definitely safer, trying to chew through the massively inflated HP pools while having significantly reduced damage due to all defense buffs is utterly miserable and takes a lot longer than normal MDH3 run. Then you hit a crab node on 5th floor and just give up. yeah i avoid defense levels too when i can because of this. depending on the team it's generally fine to give the enemy 1 clash boost of some kind but anywhere past that and things start getting dicey and of course sometimes the game gives you no choice and all 3 are absurd boosts for the enemy e: of course it all still depends on what team you're running, some don't give a poo poo about enemy defense and some become totally anemic when it gets too high. normal fights with high defense will be miserable no matter what team you're running though Yinlock fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Jan 25, 2024 |
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Alternatively you just pick Overload cause if you have Evaders enemy offense doesn't exist. Or you run both fusion gifts for Bleed and Poise cause holy poo poo. Holy loving poo poo the disgusting damage. NFaust clashing well. PSang stabbing that stupid drug whale repeatedly for half its health (and because 5clair died to BO). Each gift is disgusting on its own, both together are absurd (although it required me to run KRodnya of all characters since she's also Bleed and Poise. I can't wait for Ahabmael who will be bleed+poise+envy so she fits perfectly, right???)
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Personally I find trying to get events where you can get level ups is pretty useful even if it means less EGO gifts or Cost for trying to get the fusion gift. It's just nice to be level 44 so even when the enemy stats get inflated it's not totally bad.
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:Alternatively you just pick Overload cause if you have Evaders enemy offense doesn't exist. chances of that happening if you haven't grinded out the entire upgrade tree is unlikely though
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Yinlock posted:chances of that happening if you haven't grinded out the entire upgrade tree is unlikely though Admitedly I've been prioritizing the "Higher starting rarity chance" and "3 gift options at the start" now and basically reset till I got Bleed combo. Lucky Clover is surprisingly common cause Fairy Long Legs is a ? event unlike other gifts.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KROdx7A3NI MirrorClock OrangeRoad PV. Gossypium Flower, Ardor Blossom Moth, and Spiral of Contempt are our fights shown.
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Junpei posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KROdx7A3NI
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We will almost definitely get a Pequod Crew themed fight and a Mermaid themed fight. PM didn't re-use any of the story bosses after Kromer for RR or MH so I suspect we won't be getting Ahab, or at least not Gas Harpoon Ahab.
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Given we've had some time since we fought them I could see either of the Dongbaek or Dongrang fights getting in.
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Finally, I can take vengeance on Gossypium for eating my rare md3h event slots.
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Ooh, wasn't expecting Spiral of Contempt. Regardless, here's hoping the Railway gimmick this time around isn't going to be rear end
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Theantero posted:Ooh, wasn't expecting Spiral of Contempt. If you do Gossipium wrong (the right way takes 50 turns) it will permanently give you its gift for the rest of the railway. Also one enemy will heal from bleed.
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Going to hazard the gimmick this time is a variant on mobius; focusing more on each individual fight being a self-contained time trial instead of minmax blitzing everything to get in under a global turn counter.
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The conceit this time is a literal clock, I don't think that wish is getting answered this time.
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There are absolutely 4 abnos in that trailer. Bounded King/Grand Welcome shows up in a silhouette at the very end with its own abno text.
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PlasticAutomaton posted:There are absolutely 4 abnos in that trailer. Bounded King/Grand Welcome shows up in a silhouette at the very end with its own abno text.  This thing. GilliamYaeger fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Jan 26, 2024 |
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Huh, I was expecting the Winged Statue to be our vaguely religious-themed final boss for the new railway.
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I was also thinking we'd be getting a religiounesque final boss, but my bet was on the Scribe.Theantero posted:I guess we might be getting the Scribe as Railway 3 final boss since we got this here. Would keep up the religious theming they've had thus far, too. That's my personal guess, at least. Theantero posted:It's definitely less of an assumption and more of a bet, yes. By which I mean I will quote myself and post Alas 
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Speaking of skill checks, I had a run-in with My Form Empties with a rupture team, and everyone ended up with very low (i.e. impossible even with ideal coin flips) probabilities on the end-of-battle skill check. I fortunately had enough rupture stacks to take it down next turn, but I'm now wondering if I just ended up with a team composition that wasn't able to pass the check, or if the thresholds are conditional on something Probably should have taken a screenshot
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